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BamaD -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 5:50:23 PM)


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really? they knew that? had a blood test did they? then why didnt they know he didnt have a gun?

Shoot the cops, that shot, problem solved. Carry guns and shoot cops, they are looking to kill you. Either from stupidity or pantshitting, either way you are dead, shoot them first.


You can be trained to recognize the symptoms of PCP Intoxication.

Officers are usually given the fundamentals of a large variety of drugs and compounds in order to recognize them in order to perform field sobriety tests. And as a further note - Betty Shelby was cross-trained as an EMS and thus had further training on recognizing potential PCP Intoxication for treatment purposes.

Regardless of your training - you cannot see through clothing nor through the closed door of a vehicle.



Please forgive me but is an EMS the same as an EMT?

Ems (services)

And no infoman they are not. They get a class. pupils, slurred speech, stupid shit.

http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/pcp-signs-symptoms.html

Regardless of your training you cannot tell visually that it is PCP.

Dont play at anything requiring knowledge disinformation man. You are to untutored.

Shoot the cops, she was on PCP her reaction time was slowed and disoriented such that she shot him instead of using a tazer, and thought that only she out of the 4 cops could handle him.

Shoot cops, save lives.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9323532

Phencyclidine blood concentrations in DRE cases.
approximately
8% of PCP-positive suspects were missed by the DRE, and
approximately 3% of the suspects identified as having used PCP
were not corroborated by toxicology findings. The efficiency of
the DRE evaluation to detect PCP use was 95%


DRE stands for Drug Recognition Expert (which Officer Shelby was certified under as part of her EMS training)

So would you look at that - a Peer Reviewed scientific Study of a Drug Recognition Experts correctly visually identifying the presence of PCP 95% of the time?

... where is your peer reviewed scientific study which says that it is impossible to visually identify PCP now?

And her diagnosis was verified by the coroner.




mnottertail -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 5:55:31 PM)


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If he was high on pcp the tazer would.t affect him.
For someone who pretends to know so much about these things I am amazed you didn't know that.
Don't forget the coroner said he was high on PCP and you have already (in the op) said he was high.

No, she said through her lawyer that Crutcher was high on PCP. That was her judgment. He showed no weapon. The window to his car was closed. Shelby panicked and took away the life of a man who was no threat to anyone. That is simply not justifiable. It took the jury nine hours to convince themselves otherwise with a tape of the event at their disposal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TthfvZzN40U
Man high on PCP is continually tasered and still manages to beat a female officer half to death.
While being Tazered.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/09/08/shock-video-man-high-on-pcp-tasered-twice-hit-with-a-baton-and-pepper-sprayed-and-police-say-it-had-no-effect/
A man high on PCP who continues to act belligerently and cohesively despite being Tasered and Pepper Sprayed multiple times.

PCP is a powerful drug.
Simply suspecting it in an individual is technically acceptable grounds for an escalation of the use of force, as it is medically proven that those on PCP are unpredictable, very powerful, highly violent, and capable of resisting traditional non-lethal devices - making them a viable threat to those around them. Yeah he may of not had a weapon... but if you locked yourself in a room with an unrestrained person high on PCP... see how long he remains as 'no threat'.


Sometimes, a person on PCP may not be effectively stopped with a taser. Can you show that this is ALWAYS the case?

Here are the numbers as I see it (so yes, it just makes it my opinion). There were four cops lined up against one "bad dude". If one of those four cops had deployed a taser, and it didn't work, then there would have still been three cops with standard firearms as backup. I know this thread is about one cop in particular. But if the group had used different tactics, maybe she would not have panicked, and the "bad dude' would still be alive.

As you have been told before while tazers sometimes work agaist people on PC it isnt the way to bet. Most of the time you just make him mad.
I have never said their tactics were perfect. Monday morning quarterbacking is just great. You don't have to prove you are right and if you aren't there is no cost.

Right. MAYBE it won't work, so let's just kill the SOB instead. It works often enough so that when you are backed up by 3 (THREE) people with firearms at almost point blank range, IT'S WORTH THE FUCKING RISK instead of just automatically taking the person's life. Are you really so thick you can't see that?

Right no risk is too great to ask of a cop.

And at the slightest bit of pantshitting they kill. The way to avoid the risk is to kill the cop.


Why don't you go down to your local police station and tell them that Ron. I'm quite sure they know who you are already.


They do. I bet the cops know you, you must have been picked up sucking cock on street corners for $1 many times over.




tamaka -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 5:58:11 PM)


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If he was high on pcp the tazer would.t affect him.
For someone who pretends to know so much about these things I am amazed you didn't know that.
Don't forget the coroner said he was high on PCP and you have already (in the op) said he was high.

No, she said through her lawyer that Crutcher was high on PCP. That was her judgment. He showed no weapon. The window to his car was closed. Shelby panicked and took away the life of a man who was no threat to anyone. That is simply not justifiable. It took the jury nine hours to convince themselves otherwise with a tape of the event at their disposal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TthfvZzN40U
Man high on PCP is continually tasered and still manages to beat a female officer half to death.
While being Tazered.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/09/08/shock-video-man-high-on-pcp-tasered-twice-hit-with-a-baton-and-pepper-sprayed-and-police-say-it-had-no-effect/
A man high on PCP who continues to act belligerently and cohesively despite being Tasered and Pepper Sprayed multiple times.

PCP is a powerful drug.
Simply suspecting it in an individual is technically acceptable grounds for an escalation of the use of force, as it is medically proven that those on PCP are unpredictable, very powerful, highly violent, and capable of resisting traditional non-lethal devices - making them a viable threat to those around them. Yeah he may of not had a weapon... but if you locked yourself in a room with an unrestrained person high on PCP... see how long he remains as 'no threat'.


Sometimes, a person on PCP may not be effectively stopped with a taser. Can you show that this is ALWAYS the case?

Here are the numbers as I see it (so yes, it just makes it my opinion). There were four cops lined up against one "bad dude". If one of those four cops had deployed a taser, and it didn't work, then there would have still been three cops with standard firearms as backup. I know this thread is about one cop in particular. But if the group had used different tactics, maybe she would not have panicked, and the "bad dude' would still be alive.

As you have been told before while tazers sometimes work agaist people on PC it isnt the way to bet. Most of the time you just make him mad.
I have never said their tactics were perfect. Monday morning quarterbacking is just great. You don't have to prove you are right and if you aren't there is no cost.

Right. MAYBE it won't work, so let's just kill the SOB instead. It works often enough so that when you are backed up by 3 (THREE) people with firearms at almost point blank range, IT'S WORTH THE FUCKING RISK instead of just automatically taking the person's life. Are you really so thick you can't see that?

Right no risk is too great to ask of a cop.

And at the slightest bit of pantshitting they kill. The way to avoid the risk is to kill the cop.


Why don't you go down to your local police station and tell them that Ron. I'm quite sure they know who you are already.


They do. I bet the cops know you, you must have been picked up sucking cock on street corners for $1 many times over.



Well... go ahead down there and tell them your idea about killing cops.




mnottertail -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 5:59:12 PM)


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really? they knew that? had a blood test did they? then why didnt they know he didnt have a gun?

Shoot the cops, that shot, problem solved. Carry guns and shoot cops, they are looking to kill you. Either from stupidity or pantshitting, either way you are dead, shoot them first.


You can be trained to recognize the symptoms of PCP Intoxication.

Officers are usually given the fundamentals of a large variety of drugs and compounds in order to recognize them in order to perform field sobriety tests. And as a further note - Betty Shelby was cross-trained as an EMS and thus had further training on recognizing potential PCP Intoxication for treatment purposes.

Regardless of your training - you cannot see through clothing nor through the closed door of a vehicle.



Please forgive me but is an EMS the same as an EMT?

Ems (services)

And no infoman they are not. They get a class. pupils, slurred speech, stupid shit.

http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/pcp-signs-symptoms.html

Regardless of your training you cannot tell visually that it is PCP.

Dont play at anything requiring knowledge disinformation man. You are to untutored.

Shoot the cops, she was on PCP her reaction time was slowed and disoriented such that she shot him instead of using a tazer, and thought that only she out of the 4 cops could handle him.

Shoot cops, save lives.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9323532

Phencyclidine blood concentrations in DRE cases.
approximately
8% of PCP-positive suspects were missed by the DRE, and
approximately 3% of the suspects identified as having used PCP
were not corroborated by toxicology findings. The efficiency of
the DRE evaluation to detect PCP use was 95%


DRE stands for Drug Recognition Expert (which Officer Shelby was certified under as part of her EMS training)

So would you look at that - a Peer Reviewed scientific Study of a Drug Recognition Experts correctly visually identifying the presence of PCP 95% of the time?

... where is your peer reviewed scientific study which says that it is impossible to visually identify PCP now?

And her diagnosis was verified by the coroner.

No such diagnosis was given by Shelby. She wondered...that aint a diagnosis, and if she had that time she had all the time in the world to grab a tazer.





InfoMan -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 6:20:03 PM)


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Ems (services)

And no infoman they are not. They get a class. pupils, slurred speech, stupid shit.

http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/pcp-signs-symptoms.html

Regardless of your training you cannot tell visually that it is PCP.

Dont play at anything requiring knowledge disinformation man. You are to untutored.

Shoot the cops, she was on PCP her reaction time was slowed and disoriented such that she shot him instead of using a tazer, and thought that only she out of the 4 cops could handle him.

Shoot cops, save lives.




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http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/pcp-signs-symptoms.html

Regardless of your training you cannot tell visually that it is PCP.


Dont play at anything requiring knowledge disinformation man. You are to untutored.





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Regardless of your training you cannot tell visually that it is PCP.



So when I counter specifically that statement with This:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9323532

Phencyclidine blood concentrations in DRE cases.
approximately
8% of PCP-positive suspects were missed by the DRE, and
approximately 3% of the suspects identified as having used PCP
were not corroborated by toxicology findings. The efficiency of
the DRE evaluation to detect PCP use was 95%


Which conclusively shows Drug Recognition Experts correctly visually identifying the presence of PCP 95% of the time... a direct contradiction of what you claimed.

you completely ignore what you said and instead go on a tangent spewing hatred and bile.




Edwird -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 6:31:55 PM)

Whereas vociferously defending and advocating street execution by police is spreading love and joy.




BamaD -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 6:36:05 PM)


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Ems (services)

And no infoman they are not. They get a class. pupils, slurred speech, stupid shit.

http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/pcp-signs-symptoms.html

Regardless of your training you cannot tell visually that it is PCP.

Dont play at anything requiring knowledge disinformation man. You are to untutored.

Shoot the cops, she was on PCP her reaction time was slowed and disoriented such that she shot him instead of using a tazer, and thought that only she out of the 4 cops could handle him.

Shoot cops, save lives.




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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/pcp-signs-symptoms.html

Regardless of your training you cannot tell visually that it is PCP.


Dont play at anything requiring knowledge disinformation man. You are to untutored.





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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Regardless of your training you cannot tell visually that it is PCP.



So when I counter specifically that statement with This:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9323532

Phencyclidine blood concentrations in DRE cases.
approximately
8% of PCP-positive suspects were missed by the DRE, and
approximately 3% of the suspects identified as having used PCP
were not corroborated by toxicology findings. The efficiency of
the DRE evaluation to detect PCP use was 95%


Which conclusively shows Drug Recognition Experts correctly visually identifying the presence of PCP 95% of the time... a direct contradiction of what you claimed.

you completely ignore what you said and instead go on a tangent spewing hatred and bile.

Take away hatred and bile and he has nothing.




Real0ne -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 8:15:23 PM)

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Ok forensics gurus I am going to give you all something to think about. How to doctor a crime scene.

First a couple problems. Crutchers atty said the window was closed, she said it was open, well she lied.

When Crutcher turned toward her he said "you shot me bitch", not targetting her as she claimed.

If you watch closely you will see her jump to the side, that is when she shot him. He starts going limp, his right hand falls to his side and he is slouching and holding himself up with his left arm against the car, she pulled the trigger and at the same time she ducks behind the car because she was scared. Backup arrives and insures they crowd in front of the car cam so we cant see shit, but not in time, we seen him start to slump. Now they cut to the HC, and the narrators are setting the audience up for not guilty. You have a guy in a the office (overvoice) saying 'he looks like a bad dude', 'probably high on pcp', yep its tazer time, all tis while the guy is standing there bleeding. After the HC gets to the side the guy finally loses it and keels over. The HC circles around in a matter of only a few seconds the cops are still in prone position and the dude has a 'huge' blood stain, 'way' more than you get in a couple seconds for that HC to circle around. People assume the shots were fired a second before they are called in, nope you can wait 10 minutes. Easiest way to see all this is download the video, add a little contrast, the guy never moves forward and his hands never went into the window.

Its the same mo as 911 tell you what they want you to see so you dont see all the shit they are covering up.

and to add insult to injury the guy in the office is supposed to sound like he is broadcasting live in real time just happens to say probably high on pcp and what do they just happen to find? Beer! You got it pcp in his car. Whoda thunked it. Welcome to law and the just-us club in america.




Crutcher's family says he was waiting for help on the road after his SUV broke down.

The officer's attorney says she was afraid Crutcher was reaching for a weapon when she opened fire.

Attorney Benjamin Crump, representing Crutcher countered that Crutcher's window was rolled up.

Shelby was en route to a domestic violence call when she encountered Crutcher, who she thought might be impaired

"He does comply and puts his hands out of his pocket, and then puts his hands up in the air, which she thought was a little bit strange under the circumstances," he said.

Crutcher continued to ignore Shelby's questions about the vehicle and at one point walks toward the back of the police cruiser and puts his hands back in his pockets, the attorney said.

Shelby called dispatch and was intent on arresting him because she thought he was under the influence of something, he said.

She drew her gun and ordered Crutcher to get on his knees, which he refused to do, Wood said. He instead walked toward his car.

They approach Crutcher, who continued to walk back to his car, where he appeared to move his hands toward the vehicle.

Sister slams officer's 'negligence and incompetency'

Just a month ago, she said, the twins had celebrated their 40th birthday. Terence, a God-loving father of four who sang at church every week, had enrolled at a community college in Tulsa, where he hoped to earn a degree, she said.

"I'm going to show you," Terence recently texted his sister. "I'm going to make you all proud."

Now, she said, charges should be pressed to ensure justice is served. According to his sister, that's the least that should happen given Crutcher won't be able to make his family proud like he had hoped.

"And because he was a big bad dude," she said referring back to the police helicopter tape, "he'll never get that chance."

"He had a very hollow look in his face, kind of a thousand-yard stare, so to speak, and would not communicate. And she could tell he was not normal.

Wood told CNN in a follow-up interview that his client had her gun out because she was the only officer there for a few minutes and she thought Crutcher was armed.

"Why is an unarmed black man who has committed no crime, who only needed a helping hand, given bullets in his lung?" the lawyer asked.

"If we started to condemn everybody to death who might have some drugs in their system, all our neighborhoods would be affected," he said.

Tulsa police said Tuesday night that they found the drug PCP in Crutcher's car.

Damn just like they predicted, pcp, 'presumably' BEFORE he was shot how about that folks, damn near as good as mohamad attas drivers license floating into the fbi's pocket on 911 eh!!


David Riggs, another attorney for the Crutcher family, said earlier that if drugs were somehow involved "this is a textbook case of how not to handle someone in that situation."

'There was no gun'

At a news conference Monday, the police chief told reporters that Crutcher was unarmed.

Meanwhile, Shelby's attorney insists his client had no racial motivation in shooting Crutcher. She had no idea the race of the SUV's owner at first when she stopped to inspect it, he said.

"She didn't see anyone, she didn't stop because that car belonged to a black person or a Hispanic person. She stopped just to help. And within a few minutes, she had to use deadly force," he said.

yeh she just shit her pants and prematurely pulled the trigger.

*and its so convenient that her hubby was the cameraman too* so many coincidences...just like 911, OKC etc

we are so fucked in this country.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/20/us/oklahoma-tulsa-police-shooting/


So can we dispense with all the crap about the cops knowing in advance he was high on pcp, that the vehicle was a deadly weapon when the damn ting was broke down and that he tried to reach a gun through a closed window and that they knew the vehicle was rigged to explode?

The car was broke down, even if the engine was running it was broke down that is why he was in the middle of the road.

The cops predicted they would find pcp and did.

Shots fired was called in just before the guy keeled over.

The window was closed and you can see that on the tape.

His right shoulder slumped before they cut to the HC, highly evident of being shot.

He never moved forward toward the car after the he slumped.

The window was closed and neither is there any sign of him moving his hand anywhere.

By the time he hit the pavement he had no strength left, his arms just flopped.

There was a huge blood stain on the front of his shirt you dont get that much blood flowing vertically down his shirt in a couple seconds it took for the HC to circle.







Real0ne -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/24/2017 3:40:35 AM)

[img]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/tryanny/giff.gif[/img]


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/terence-crutcher-unarmed-black-man-shooting-60-minutes-2/




InfoMan -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/24/2017 4:03:11 AM)


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Ok forensics gurus I am going to give you all something to think about. How to doctor a crime scene.





Why would the State spend potentially Millions of dollars to doctor a crime scene and fix a trial just to save face for a single white woman in some nowhere backwater police station?




Real0ne -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/24/2017 4:49:27 AM)

simple, cops wives are always innocent



She says that Manitowoc police planted the evidence against Avery, and she hopes to detect that misconduct using physical clues she thinks they left behind: “They used forensic science to convict [Avery], and I’d be using it to convict them of planting the evidence.”

Some of the lawyers who’ve faced Zellner caution Wisconsin prosecutors not to underestimate her, don’t bluff her and to anticipate that she’ll have a deep knowledge of the case. “She’s smart as the dickens and skilled, skilled, skilled,” says Robert Smith, the attorney who defended Will County when Zellner sued in the Kevin Fox case. “She makes use of all 52 cards and both jokers if you’re in the courtroom with her.”

On a cool and windy Friday in February, Zellner drove herself almost three hours to Waupun Correctional Institution, built in 1851 using convict labor. After seeing Avery and climbing back into her car for the drive home, Zellner pulled up Twitter to tap out a new message. “Fifth trip to Steven Avery. Collected samples for new tests. The inevitable is coming—he was smiling so were we.”



besides we all know the just-us club is honest abe all the way!




7 jurors went in with an opinion of not-guilty but all 7 were swayed. Now one juror says it was because they feared for their personal safety.

Filmmakers Moira Demos and Laura Ricciardi on the Today show discussing jury tampering in the Steven Avery case

Filmmakers Moira Demos and Laura Ricciardi appear on Today to release bombshell information in the Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey case. Allegations of jury tampering.

Filmmakers Moira Demos and Laura Ricciardi appeared on Today with an absolute bombshell of a revelation in the twisting and turning Making A Murder Steven Avery case. Demos and Ricciardi were contacted by a juror who served in the Steve Avery case.

Upon first deliberations 7 of the jurors believed that there was not enough evidence to convict Steven Avery but by the end of the deliberations all jurors cast their vote for a guilty verdict. Now in the media frenzy brought about by the Netflix series, the juror has come forward to say that Steven Avery deserves a new trial because of jury tampering.

Juror X says that he/she was swayed to a guilty verdict because he/she felt threatened for her/his personal safety and that Steve Avery should have a new trial as far away from Wisconsin as possible.

Juror X has also let it be known that he/she would be willing to testify as part of Steven Avery’s new trial.

Jury Tampering is a serious crime in The United States. In 2007 Maximino Gonzalez of Palmview, Texas pleaded guilty to jury tampering and faced 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.



Cops wive is in trouble, she shit her pants and over reacted.








InfoMan -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/24/2017 5:05:55 AM)


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simple, cops wives are always innocent


So let me get this straight... Your argument is that because a couple of lazy officers in Wisconsin didn't feel like putting in the foot work to find the truth and just lazily went off of the word of the victim... this is proof that they are spending millions of dollars in Tulsa Oklahoma by planting evidence and rigging a trial so they can save face of a Single white woman?

Hell, even if you want to argue the guys most recent murder trial -
It is him vs. the Police Department and a 36 Million Dollar lawsuit against the state, so it could be argued that there was corruption there...

But the Shelby case is just a single white woman.




mnottertail -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/24/2017 5:14:49 AM)

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Ems (services)

And no infoman they are not. They get a class. pupils, slurred speech, stupid shit.

http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/pcp-signs-symptoms.html

Regardless of your training you cannot tell visually that it is PCP.

Dont play at anything requiring knowledge disinformation man. You are to untutored.

Shoot the cops, she was on PCP her reaction time was slowed and disoriented such that she shot him instead of using a tazer, and thought that only she out of the 4 cops could handle him.

Shoot cops, save lives.




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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/pcp-signs-symptoms.html

Regardless of your training you cannot tell visually that it is PCP.


Dont play at anything requiring knowledge disinformation man. You are to untutored.





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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Regardless of your training you cannot tell visually that it is PCP.



So when I counter specifically that statement with This:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9323532

Phencyclidine blood concentrations in DRE cases.
approximately
8% of PCP-positive suspects were missed by the DRE, and
approximately 3% of the suspects identified as having used PCP
were not corroborated by toxicology findings. The efficiency of
the DRE evaluation to detect PCP use was 95%


Which conclusively shows Drug Recognition Experts correctly visually identifying the presence of PCP 95% of the time... a direct contradiction of what you claimed.

you completely ignore what you said and instead go on a tangent spewing hatred and bile.

Take away hatred and bile and he has nothing.

Take away the fact that 256 in two years is very poor depth of study, so 95% if the time when they detected it which was how many percent of the time of its occurance? 0.00000000000000001 or so? None of the participants in the meaningless study being her by the way, she said at one point 'she wondered' Doesnt matter she cant detect what a gun is. She should have been shot.

She Wondered.
She cant detect what a gun is
She had time to get a tazer


You completely defend retards killing citizens and spew hatred and bile.

Kill cops before they kill you, they are stupid and given to murder.




Real0ne -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/24/2017 5:31:01 AM)

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simple, cops wives are always innocent


So let me get this straight... Your argument is that because a couple of lazy officers in Wisconsin didn't feel like putting in the foot work to find the truth and just lazily went off of the word of the victim... this is proof that they are spending millions of dollars in Tulsa Oklahoma by planting evidence and rigging a trial so they can save face of a Single white woman?

Hell, even if you want to argue the guys most recent murder trial -
It is him vs. the Police Department and a 36 Million Dollar lawsuit against the state, so it could be argued that there was corruption there...

But the Shelby case is just a single white woman.




here let me try this again:

She [Zellner attorney at law] says that Manitowoc police planted the evidence against Avery, and she hopes to detect that misconduct using physical clues she thinks they left behind: “They used forensic science to convict [Avery], and I’d be using it to convict them of planting the evidence.”

Some of the lawyers who’ve faced Zellner caution Wisconsin prosecutors not to underestimate her, don’t bluff her and to anticipate that she’ll have a deep knowledge of the case. “She’s smart as the dickens and skilled, skilled, skilled,” says Robert Smith, the attorney who defended Will County when Zellner sued in the Kevin Fox case. “She makes use of all 52 cards and both jokers if you’re in the courtroom with her.”

On a cool and windy Friday in February, Zellner drove herself almost three hours to Waupun Correctional Institution, built in 1851 using convict labor. After seeing Avery and climbing back into her car for the drive home, Zellner pulled up Twitter to tap out a new message. “Fifth trip to Steven Avery. Collected samples for new tests. The inevitable is coming—he was smiling so were we.”

unless you live in a tiny village say population 150, literally every just-us club throughout the whole US is corrupt. I can dig up a situation of corruption in every state of the union, and manitwok is not a big city maybe 25-30000. most of them simply do not get caught because they are in a protection racket, same as any mob.

its a big club and you aint in it. Hell look at snowden, he should be awarded a 5 million dollar mansion for exposing the corruption in the NSA for violating our rights and the constitution by spying on us, nope listen to the asshats claim its treason. Any wonder corruption is completely out of control?

Hell the corruption in the avery case can easily be seen all the way up to the atty general and appeals courts, the fbi, and the forensics labs, its a big club and you aint in it.

These MF's in the just us club are trying to incite a fucking civil war, how much more obvious can it get when she claims shit was outside her training as a sanction for pulling the trigger, fuck we can get any asstwit without training to pull a trigger and they should get off the hook because 'they werent trained' WTF over!

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InfoMan -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/24/2017 6:24:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

simple, cops wives are always innocent


So let me get this straight... Your argument is that because a couple of lazy officers in Wisconsin didn't feel like putting in the foot work to find the truth and just lazily went off of the word of the victim... this is proof that they are spending millions of dollars in Tulsa Oklahoma by planting evidence and rigging a trial so they can save face of a Single white woman?

Hell, even if you want to argue the guys most recent murder trial -
It is him vs. the Police Department and a 36 Million Dollar lawsuit against the state, so it could be argued that there was corruption there...

But the Shelby case is just a single white woman.




here let me try this again:

She [Zellner attorney at law] says that Manitowoc police planted the evidence against Avery, and she hopes to detect that misconduct using physical clues she thinks they left behind: “They used forensic science to convict [Avery], and I’d be using it to convict them of planting the evidence.”

Some of the lawyers who’ve faced Zellner caution Wisconsin prosecutors not to underestimate her, don’t bluff her and to anticipate that she’ll have a deep knowledge of the case. “She’s smart as the dickens and skilled, skilled, skilled,” says Robert Smith, the attorney who defended Will County when Zellner sued in the Kevin Fox case. “She makes use of all 52 cards and both jokers if you’re in the courtroom with her.”

On a cool and windy Friday in February, Zellner drove herself almost three hours to Waupun Correctional Institution, built in 1851 using convict labor. After seeing Avery and climbing back into her car for the drive home, Zellner pulled up Twitter to tap out a new message. “Fifth trip to Steven Avery. Collected samples for new tests. The inevitable is coming—he was smiling so were we.”

unless you live in a tiny village say population 150, literally every just-us club throughout the whole US is corrupt. I can dig up a situation of corruption in every state of the union, and manitwok is not a big city maybe 25-30000. most of them simply do not get caught because they are in a protection racket, same as any mob.

its a big club and you aint in it. Hell look at snowden, he should be awarded a 5 million dollar mansion for exposing the corruption in the NSA for violating our rights and the constitution by spying on us, nope listen to the asshats claim its treason. Any wonder corruption is completely out of control?

Hell the corruption in the avery case can easily be seen all the way up to the atty general and appeals courts, the fbi, and the forensics labs, its a big club and you aint in it.

These MF's in the just us club are trying to incite a fucking civil war, how much more obvious can it get when she claims shit was outside her training as a sanction for pulling the trigger, fuck we can get any asstwit without training to pull a trigger and they should get off the hook because 'they werent trained' WTF over!




You don't even understand the conditions of the case which you are trying to tout as conspiracy.

The Avery case of misconduct occurred when some one claimed they where sexually assaulted then identified Avery as the culprit despite him being out of town which was easily confirmed by receipts, witnesses, and even the actual perpetrator which was imprisoned a county over and confessed to the crime himself. The detectives simply didn't want to do the paper work and went off of the Victim stated, as she described him, picked him out of a photo gallery, then subsequently picked him out of a line up.


The second crime he was convicted of was the Murder of a young woman - who's remains where found on his property, His blood was found in her car, and her car was found at a salvage yard he frequented. Now this just so happened coincidentally right before his 36 Million dollar suit against the state for their violation of his civil liberties and wrongful imprisonment. So in this case it isn't Avery against a single officer, it is Avery against the entire Department and Corrections System of the State which would cost them Millions of Dollars.

In this case the conspiracy of the State spending Millions to make a man go away can make sense because how much he would cost the State otherwise.


Officer Shelby and the Crutcher shooting on the other hand...
we are talking about a relative nobody cop in some small department in the insignificant part of Tulsa Oklahoma. At what point is the state threatened with a multi-million dollar event, claim, or suit which would warrant them to spend millions on a cover up? Tulsa is hardly the proverbial Racial powder keg of the Midwest, so it isn't like they are afraid of riots that would burn down half the city...





InfoMan -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/24/2017 7:50:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Take away the fact that 256 in two years is very poor depth of study, so 95% if the time when they detected it which was how many percent of the time of its occurance? 0.00000000000000001 or so?


the Study was performed between 1993 and 1995 - and represents ALL of the cases which involved PCP provided by the state of Maryland during that time frame.... So, 95% of it's occurrence in the state of Maryland was detected.


But that doesn't fit into your narrow world view so you're probably going to just ignore it.
You have continually proven that you don't like Facts or the Truth, and instead you're an angry little boy that want's to spill blood.




mnottertail -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/24/2017 8:04:42 AM)

All of the occurrances, where does it say that? They found 256 guys on PCP in Maryland in two years? Dont be a fucking retard. Secondly, your narrow world view as a retard, you want cops to spill blood. Thirdly, if these DREs are so accurate, lets have them walk down the street and shoot people on PCP.


Do the math retard. According to the 1996 NHSDA, 3.2 percent of the population aged 12 and older have used PCP at least once. Lifetime use of PCP was higher among those aged 26 through 34 (4.2 percent) than for those 18 through 25 (2.3 percent) and those 12 through 17 (1.2 percent).

So your narrowminded shitbreathing world is to give cops the right to murder american citizens and find some guilt of the citizen after the fact.

Shoot cops. Cops kill.




WickedsDesire -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/24/2017 8:05:10 AM)

Who the fuk is utilising the PCP, PB (Flint tap water), your hookers crack cocaine, fish herion, toad lickers etc argument.

That makes no sense:
1. Just presume everyone looking a bit darkie is off their heads on something and simply slay them all thin the darkie herd– will save on paper work or something
2. Oh that was it
3. And the autistic they all need to go, handicapped go without saying.....grrrrrr...I conceded if he has 20 needles sticking out of his head and cock - then caution is advised. Oh wait they may simply be into some weird bdsm shit

and stop quoting quotes, and quotes of that, and quotes of that, Christ everyone - most of us on here can fall a narrative.




mnottertail -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/24/2017 8:13:43 AM)

heres one at 50%

http://www.massdre.org/drgdrvr.htm

When the DREs claimed drugs other than alcohol were present, they were almost always detected in the blood (94%);
Multiple drug use was common: 72% used two or more drugs including alcohol. 45% used three or more drugs including alcohol;
All of the drugs were identified in almost 50% of the subjects;
87% of the time the DREs correctly identified at least one drug other than alcohol;
Only 3.7% of the suspects who had used drugs had BACs equal to or greater than .10%.

So, she cant recognize a threat or a gun, but wondering if he is on PCP is grounds to shoot him. Kill Cops, save lives, and save us from narrowminded retards who disseminate disinformation.


Who has peer reviewed it, seems like other than cops it dont look good: http://decp.us/DREScience.htm

http://www.cji.edu/site/assets/files/1921/dre-impaireddrivingenforcement.pdf

here is better than chance, and some other interesting stuff.

A study
conducted by the Canadian Centre of Substance Abuse found that “In general,
officers trained in the DEC program are able to identify persons under the
influence of drugs and to specify the drug class responsible with a degree of
accuracy that not only exceeds chance, but in some cases reaches a very high
level” (Beirness, 2007). Yet another study found that “overall accuracy in
recognizing drug intoxication was 95 percent” when DRE's were given face
sheets only, with no toxicology results available (Smith, 2002).

and the study was showing pictures of people. Uh, like Gary Busey and Andy Garcia?




InfoMan -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/24/2017 8:45:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

All of the occurrances, where does it say that? They found 256 guys on PCP in Maryland in two years? Dont be a fucking retard. Secondly, your narrow world view as a retard, you want cops to spill blood. Thirdly, if these DREs are so accurate, lets have them walk down the street and shoot people on PCP.


Do the math retard. According to the 1996 NHSDA, 3.2 percent of the population aged 12 and older have used PCP at least once. Lifetime use of PCP was higher among those aged 26 through 34 (4.2 percent) than for those 18 through 25 (2.3 percent) and those 12 through 17 (1.2 percent).

So your narrowminded shitbreathing world is to give cops the right to murder american citizens and find some guilt of the citizen after the fact.

Shoot cops. Cops kill.



you're comparing an optional survey vs. arrest records.

How many times have you jaywalked? Exceeded the speed limit? Parked Illegally? Made an Illegal Lane Change?
how many times have you been ticketed for those same things?

By trying to draw a correlation between the use per capita vs. the number of cases which involved it during the time period presented, you are intentionally attempting to mislead people. Unless if you're suggesting that DRE Agents go door to door every day and administer a field test to all citizens... then of course the two values are going to be drastically different. Using a controlled substance in the secrecy of your own home is probably not going to result in you being arrested, and thus you won't encounter a DRE trained individual.

It is like saying "You didn't catch and punish all these other people that where doing it... there for you shouldn't punish me!"
That isn't how it works.

and seriously all your Ad Hoc Hypothesizing is just stupid.

You'll never admit you're wrong because every time you are proven to be wrong, you just add on another layer of stupid argumentative bullshit.




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