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In general, officers trained in the DEC program are able to identify persons under the influence of drugs and to specify the drug class responsible with a degree of accuracy that not only exceeds chance, but in some cases reaches a very high level.

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In general, officers trained in the DEC program are able to identify persons under the influence of drugs and to specify the drug class responsible with a degree of accuracy that not only exceeds chance, but in some cases reaches a very high level.

Bullshit. Not out in the street. Only after they have gone through the 12 step drug identification process I linked above.

NOT OUT IN THE STREET, THEY CAN'T!

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Explain then, the value of your input that only one in three people accumulating bullets actually die from the experience, and relevance to the matter at hand.

Why don't you see if you can figure it out for yourself....

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It would have been a simple matter of trying the less lethal method first instead of just choosing to execute the guy.

You're going a bit over the top there, Igor. As far as I can see, she never chose to "execute" anybody. Only about one in three gunshot wounds are fatal. Absent a reason to believe that she intentionally fatally wounded him, all you can accuse her of is choosing to fire.

Take your time, it's a tough one.

I would imagine that somebody with a 2 dollar steak for a brain would know all about tough.

So then, if it has been determined that running a red light in off hours at a particular intersection results in a crash only one third of the time, then the driver didn't intend to crash. The police and the insurance company say "we know you didn't mean to," so no ticket, and a check for the damage.

You are singlehandedly trying trying to throw out all charges and convictions for gun related murders and attempted murders, all by yourself, by way of the "I didn't mean to" defense. That's worked famously before, right?

And I'm the one who 'need meds' here?

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The 'Bomb Squad' is not a police force. It is a specialized emergency responding force. As such - it is dependent on the police to secure the scene so that they can work. This is the same for Fire Fighters and Paramedics, those Emergency Workertias are NOT Police - they are not trained nor equipped to detain or arrest a suspicious individuals.

True enough, but the fact they were never mentioned indicates clearly there was no serious concern of a bomb.

No, it proves they where not there during the confrontation.

And yet she marched forward toward a potential explosion barking her silly- ass authoritative commands. When will police learn that the authority tactic is not the best? It is just not reasonable under many circumstances.

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Why don't you go down to your local police station and tell them that Ron. I'm quite sure they know who you are already.

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In general, officers trained in the DEC program are able to identify persons under the influence of drugs and to specify the drug class responsible with a degree of accuracy that not only exceeds chance, but in some cases reaches a very high level.

Bullshit. Not out in the street. Only after they have gone through the 12 step drug identification process I linked above.

NOT OUT IN THE STREET, THEY CAN'T!

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Why don't you go down to your local police station and tell them that Ron. I'm quite sure they know who you are already.

they even gave him his own key...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVJfXBCddbI

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"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things ...


Dont be communist nutsuckers and pussies. Be fucking Americans.

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http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/25-July-2007.html

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"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things ...


Dont be communist nutsuckers and pussies. Be fucking Americans.

how exactly does the 4th Amendment play into this... like at all?
I'm curious.

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http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/25-July-2007.html

Yeah, i know about the patriot act which basically walks all over our 4th amendment rights - but what does that have to do with this case specifically?

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In general, officers trained in the DEC program are able to identify persons under the influence of drugs and to specify the drug class responsible with a degree of accuracy that not only exceeds chance, but in some cases reaches a very high level.

Bullshit. Not out in the street. Only after they have gone through the 12 step drug identification process I linked above.

NOT OUT IN THE STREET, THEY CAN'T!

Having being taught the specific symptoms, DRE trained individuals can often better pick up specific symptoms outside of the Standardized 12 step test and have an increased awareness of drug intoxication from initial examination of the subject. While this conclusively is not admissible as evidence in a court of law - it will help the individual in conducting such interactions out on the field.

For instance Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus is a slight offset of the eyes which is only displays itself with certain disassociative drugs. This when combined with rigid movement, erratic behavior, and general stiffness it tells me of a handful of potential compounds which might be effecting you. Now while i cannot say conclusively 'This person is high on this compound' it allows me to have 'reasonable suspicion' and can be used to justify certain actions.

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Interesting that you always seem to put all the blame on the cops. When will people learn that you should just do what the cops say in the first place and maybe you won't get shot? And while it is true that some cops are power hungry assholes and your family might be able to say that the shooting was not justified, it won't change the fact that you are still dead. So was fighting back really worth it?

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Interesting that you always seem to put all the blame on the cops. When will people learn that you should just do what the cops say in the first place and maybe you won't get shot? And while it is true that some cops are power hungry assholes and your family might be able to say that the shooting was not justified, it won't change the fact that you are still dead. So was fighting back really worth it?

That's just not true. I am truly sorry you think it is.

I only comment on situations where I think an injustice was done.

Crutcher never "fought back." He walked away. She followed with her gun aimed at his back and barking commands.

Whatever the victim's skin color, police should be trained to de-escalate a situation. Too many times the police officer barks with a voice of authority and that just serves to raise the tension. It is a terribly unproductive strategy. I can speak to that from thirty years of experience teaching in public high schools.

Let me ask you this. Why is it that you never speak out against injustices imposed by authority?