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Ok forensics gurus I am going to give you all something to think about. How to doctor a crime scene.

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Which conclusively shows Drug Recognition Experts correctly visually identifying the presence of PCP 95% of the time... a direct contradiction of what you claimed.

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Again, only 256 found in the arrests of two years? Try again. Where is the data that these were arrests, where is the data from the control group, where is the blood work from all arrests, how many did they miss?

You got no study.

So why wasnt she shot for murdering the guy?

You will never admit to being wrong because you are a factless retard. The identification of drug use AFTER THE FACT is not justifiable homicide.

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simple, cops wives are always innocent

So let me get this straight... Your argument is that because a couple of lazy officers in Wisconsin didn't feel like putting in the foot work to find the truth and just lazily went off of the word of the victim... this is proof that they are spending millions of dollars in Tulsa Oklahoma by planting evidence and rigging a trial so they can save face of a Single white woman?

Hell, even if you want to argue the guys most recent murder trial -
It is him vs. the Police Department and a 36 Million Dollar lawsuit against the state, so it could be argued that there was corruption there...

But the Shelby case is just a single white woman.

here let me try this again:

She [Zellner attorney at law] says that Manitowoc police planted the evidence against Avery, and she hopes to detect that misconduct using physical clues she thinks they left behind: “They used forensic science to convict [Avery], and I’d be using it to convict them of planting the evidence.”

Some of the lawyers who’ve faced Zellner caution Wisconsin prosecutors not to underestimate her, don’t bluff her and to anticipate that she’ll have a deep knowledge of the case. “She’s smart as the dickens and skilled, skilled, skilled,” says Robert Smith, the attorney who defended Will County when Zellner sued in the Kevin Fox case. “She makes use of all 52 cards and both jokers if you’re in the courtroom with her.”

On a cool and windy Friday in February, Zellner drove herself almost three hours to Waupun Correctional Institution, built in 1851 using convict labor. After seeing Avery and climbing back into her car for the drive home, Zellner pulled up Twitter to tap out a new message. “Fifth trip to Steven Avery. Collected samples for new tests. The inevitable is coming—he was smiling so were we.”

unless you live in a tiny village say population 150, literally every just-us club throughout the whole US is corrupt. I can dig up a situation of corruption in every state of the union, and manitwok is not a big city maybe 25-30000. most of them simply do not get caught because they are in a protection racket, same as any mob.

its a big club and you aint in it. Hell look at snowden, he should be awarded a 5 million dollar mansion for exposing the corruption in the NSA for violating our rights and the constitution by spying on us, nope listen to the asshats claim its treason. Any wonder corruption is completely out of control?

Hell the corruption in the avery case can easily be seen all the way up to the atty general and appeals courts, the fbi, and the forensics labs, its a big club and you aint in it.

These MF's in the just us club are trying to incite a fucking civil war, how much more obvious can it get when she claims shit was outside her training as a sanction for pulling the trigger, fuck we can get any asstwit without training to pull a trigger and they should get off the hook because 'they werent trained' WTF over!

You don't even understand the conditions of the case which you are trying to tout as conspiracy.

The Avery case of misconduct occurred when some one claimed they where sexually assaulted then identified Avery as the culprit despite him being out of town which was easily confirmed by receipts, witnesses, and even the actual perpetrator which was imprisoned a county over and confessed to the crime himself. The detectives simply didn't want to do the paper work and went off of the Victim stated, as she described him, picked him out of a photo gallery, then subsequently picked him out of a line up.


The second crime he was convicted of was the Murder of a young woman - who's remains where found on his property, His blood was found in her car, and her car was found at a salvage yard he frequented. Now this just so happened coincidentally right before his 36 Million dollar suit against the state for their violation of his civil liberties and wrongful imprisonment. So in this case it isn't Avery against a single officer, it is Avery against the entire Department and Corrections System of the State which would cost them Millions of Dollars.

In this case the conspiracy of the State spending Millions to make a man go away can make sense because how much he would cost the State otherwise.


Officer Shelby and the Crutcher shooting on the other hand...
we are talking about a relative nobody cop in some small department in the insignificant part of Tulsa Oklahoma. At what point is the state threatened with a multi-million dollar event, claim, or suit which would warrant them to spend millions on a cover up? Tulsa is hardly the proverbial Racial powder keg of the Midwest, so it isn't like they are afraid of riots that would burn down half the city...

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Dos and Don’ts:
Do remember that an officer is REQUIRED to read you your rights before questioning or searching you if they have placed you in a custodial arrest. In Texas you ARE ALWAYS in a custodial arrest when stopped for an alleged “traffic offense” (see Secs. 543.001-.009, Texas Transp. Code). The reading of your rights is a mandatory requirement that works in your favor unless/until you behave stupidly by talking voluntarily (sees Art. 38.22, Texas Code of Crim. Proc.). Be aware, however, they almost NEVER do this, meaning that anything incriminating that you may say or that they may find can be suppressed as an involuntary or coerced statement or illegal warrantless search and seizure. You should also be aware that the officer(s) is/are trained to lie about you being in a custodial arrest and will most likely say instead that you are in an “investigative detention.” If you are in Texas (and most other “states”), then understand that this is a TOTAL LIE! You almost always ARE in a full-blown custodial arrest (see Legal Equation illustration below). https://www.fraudstoppers.org/transportation-stop-action-script/

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Again, only 256 found in the arrests of two years? Try again. Where is the data that these were arrests, where is the data from the control group, where is the blood work from all arrests, how many did they miss?

You got no study.

So why wasnt she shot for murdering the guy?

You will never admit to being wrong because you are a factless retard. The identification of drug use AFTER THE FACT is not justifiable homicide.

Why would i admit to being wrong when I've presented facts, reasoning, and studies which support my statements - while you on the other hand have only spat ignorance, hate, and insult?

You have done nothing to try and convince anyone of anything other than your own ignorant hate.
you try and incite violence, calling on others to kill police (which is illegal mind you)
And every time. EVERY time you are countered with sound, reasonable, and factual truths - you ignore it - insult people and continue on your hateful way.

and what good does that all do?
what good would getting rid of the police achieve?

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Comfirming PCP after the fact is relevant, it showed that his assaesment of the situation was correct.

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Again, only 256 found in the arrests of two years? Try again. Where is the data that these were arrests, where is the data from the control group, where is the blood work from all arrests, how many did they miss?

You got no study.

So why wasnt she shot for murdering the guy?

You will never admit to being wrong because you are a factless retard. The identification of drug use AFTER THE FACT is not justifiable homicide.

Why would i admit to being wrong when I've presented facts, reasoning, and studies which support my statements - while you on the other hand have only spat ignorance, hate, and insult?

You have done nothing to try and convince anyone of anything other than your own ignorant hate.
you try and incite violence, calling on others to kill police (which is illegal mind you)
And every time. EVERY time you are countered with sound, reasonable, and factual truths - you ignore it - insult people and continue on your hateful way.

and what good does that all do?
what good would getting rid of the police achieve?

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the haters who love cops who murder and quote prima facie defective 'studies' that dont say what they want them to say so they add to them.

In America, taking illegal drugs is no capital offense.

In their little hitler 1984 worlds they think it is.

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I have provided far more links to studies, facts, reasonings which say your one single link is not a study and nothing but asswipe, just a triple based assessment after the fact and crafted in bias.
You got nothing but your own ignorance, when you are confronted with murder you ignore it like the fucking retard you are so you can push your retarded propaganda.

Provide a fact, reasoning, and study, that says, the law is that you shoot people as a cop because you are absolutely inept at your job.

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heres one at 50%

http://www.massdre.org/drgdrvr.htm

When the DREs claimed drugs other than alcohol were present, they were almost always detected in the blood (94%);
Multiple drug use was common: 72% used two or more drugs including alcohol. 45% used three or more drugs including alcohol;
All of the drugs were identified in almost 50% of the subjects;
87% of the time the DREs correctly identified at least one drug other than alcohol;
Only 3.7% of the suspects who had used drugs had BACs equal to or greater than .10%.

So, she cant recognize a threat or a gun, but wondering if he is on PCP is grounds to shoot him. Kill Cops, save lives, and save us from narrowminded retards who disseminate disinformation.

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Who has peer reviewed it, seems like other than cops it dont look good: http://decp.us/DREScience.htm

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http://www.cji.edu/site/assets/files/1921/dre-impaireddrivingenforcement.pdf

here is better than chance, and some other interesting stuff.

A study
conducted by the Canadian Centre of Substance Abuse found that “In general,
officers trained in the DEC program are able to identify persons under the
influence of drugs and to specify the drug class responsible with a degree of
accuracy that not only exceeds chance, but in some cases reaches a very high
level” (Beirness, 2007). Yet another study found that “overall accuracy in
recognizing drug intoxication was 95 percent” when DRE's were given face
sheets only, with no toxicology results available (Smith, 2002).

and the study was showing pictures of people. Uh, like Gary Busey and Andy Garcia?

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Again, only 256 found in the arrests of two years? Try again. Where is the data that these were arrests, where is the data from the control group, where is the blood work from all arrests, how many did they miss?

You got no study.

So why wasnt she shot for murdering the guy?

You will never admit to being wrong because you are a factless retard. The identification of drug use AFTER THE FACT is not justifiable homicide.

Why would i admit to being wrong when I've presented facts, reasoning, and studies which support my statements - while you on the other hand have only spat ignorance, hate, and insult?

You have done nothing to try and convince anyone of anything other than your own ignorant hate.
you try and incite violence, calling on others to kill police (which is illegal mind you)
And every time. EVERY time you are countered with sound, reasonable, and factual truths - you ignore it - insult people and continue on your hateful way.

and what good does that all do?
what good would getting rid of the police achieve?

Comfirming PCP after the fact is relevant, it showed that his assaesment of the situation was correct.