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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/22/2017 11:27:53 PM   
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Reality stinks Peon. About time you faced it.


You are talking to the son of a police officer who was nearly killed on several occasions by terrorist activity. Now fuck off, you loathsome little tit.

Almost 21 years since the Arndale bombing.
Horrible news, mother fuckers, heart goes out to all the kids and families:(
nails and bolts is so nasty
Checking in with fam now, but only two I know of out that way.



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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 12:45:38 AM   
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Probably the Jehovah's Witnesses again

(How dare anyone discuss reality, right)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4531940/Emergency-services-rush-Manchester-Arena.html

Probably those damn Jehovah Witnesses! No wonder Russia banned them!

Ariana Grande fans are between 8 yr old to 16 yr olds.

So how low are those JW to target babies!

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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 1:08:06 AM   
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Probably the Jehovah's Witnesses again

(How dare anyone discuss reality, right)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4531940/Emergency-services-rush-Manchester-Arena.html

Probably those damn Jehovah Witnesses! No wonder Russia banned them!

Ariana Grande fans are between 8 yr old to 16 yr olds.

So how low are those JW to target babies!
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The suicide bomber has not yet been identified so clearly at the moment there is way of knowing the political / religious leanings of the bomber.

As usual the people of Manchester stepped up to help all those suffering from this attack. Hotels offering emergency beds and food, taxi drivers offering free travel to get people home as the train system was closed down.

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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 1:50:14 AM   
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Almost 21 years since the Arndale bombing.
Horrible news, mother fuckers, heart goes out to all the kids and families:(
nails and bolts is so nasty
Checking in with fam now, but only two I know of out that way.





I am surprised that no group has claimed responsibility yet, or the authorities have not released that information as of yet.

As for the nails, bolts, nuts and screws, yes they are nasty, but very effective.

And not new.

The old US Army Guerilla Warfare manual (the publication used by US Army units to teach friendlies) went into great detail the various things that could be used to make shrapnel in IED's.

Everything from broken jewelry to broken up flatware, not to mention the infamous 'boulder bombs' which were basically home made concrete shells made to look like native rocks to be strewn about a path or trail and the explosives placed inside them.

The standard layout was six on each side of the trail with about half pound of C4 (or the equivalent) inside with a car battery buried in a shallow pit at the far end of the blast zone. A make shift pressure switch would connect close on one of the battery terminals completing the circuit and detonating the 'boulders.'

As I said, this is not new, during the revolutionary war, US artillery used to put broken chain, nails and any other bits of metal down the barrels of the cannon in lieu of beehive anti personnel rounds for close defense.

One of the things ol' Cornwallis complained about in his various notes about the 'uncivilized' way the colonists fought the war.

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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 2:44:49 AM   
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I don't know what you guys are talking about.

Recently, I read an article that, the world needs to gear themselves ready for more Muslim Lonewolves. And their go to killing devices are:

1) Big Trucks to ram into crowds of people (We can't ban trucks)

2) Home Made bombs from every day regular materials, and will have precisely things like nails in it to cause serious damage

And basically, from everything I read about in the report, we are all screwed! As there is no way to safe guard against those type of attacks.

On top of that, wait till the Muslims get their hands on what North Korea uses!

Can't detect that at all. That Poison they used. So if a concert is their go-to venue, they just need that biological weapon that North Korea used.

The most alarming thing is the fact that these are Lonewolves Attack from simply reading the Quran. They are all self-radicalised. Their only influence is that evil holy book.

Like the dude who did this, did it as a suicide attack. Reality is, they will never know who he worked with, what's his motive. Nothing. So far, they think this is a Lone Wolf. And Lone Wolves, pick up a Quran, reads it, and then choose the fast track to Heaven by blowing themselves up, MUST kill non-muslim in the process or Muslim that they consider as traitorous Muslims and not practicing the accuracy of their faith, precisely like this, thanks to that stupid Quran encouraging that method.

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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 3:08:59 AM   
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Have you read the Quran Greta?

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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 3:10:29 AM   
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Have you read the Quran Greta?

Of course
It's absolutely horrendous.

And fact of the matter is. Islam is probably the only religion on earth who is following a leader who has encouraged war, killing and have personally killed himself.

Not quite sure which other religion has a role model that kills for living.

No wonder innate killers are drawn to that religion!

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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 3:20:39 AM   
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Almost 21 years since the Arndale bombing.
Horrible news, mother fuckers, heart goes out to all the kids and families:(
nails and bolts is so nasty
Checking in with fam now, but only two I know of out that way.





I am surprised that no group has claimed responsibility yet, or the authorities have not released that information as of yet.

As for the nails, bolts, nuts and screws, yes they are nasty, but very effective.

And not new.

The old US Army Guerilla Warfare manual (the publication used by US Army units to teach friendlies) went into great detail the various things that could be used to make shrapnel in IED's.

Everything from broken jewelry to broken up flatware, not to mention the infamous 'boulder bombs' which were basically home made concrete shells made to look like native rocks to be strewn about a path or trail and the explosives placed inside them.

The standard layout was six on each side of the trail with about half pound of C4 (or the equivalent) inside with a car battery buried in a shallow pit at the far end of the blast zone. A make shift pressure switch would connect close on one of the battery terminals completing the circuit and detonating the 'boulders.'

As I said, this is not new, during the revolutionary war, US artillery used to put broken chain, nails and any other bits of metal down the barrels of the cannon in lieu of beehive anti personnel rounds for close defense.

One of the things ol' Cornwallis complained about in his various notes about the 'uncivilized' way the colonists fought the war.


You are so blind

Do your manuals tell US soldiers that if they slaughter little girls at pop concerts they will have those little girls as sex slaves forever

No?

Then stfu about war manuals, they do not pertain

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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 3:24:35 AM   
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End of the day, this is most certainly a self-radicalised Muslim and if he was not, then he will be an agent of ISIS.

When someone is self-radicalised. They read religious text WITHOUT official guidance on how to translate it peacefully.

But the fact that, you need help to translate it peacefully or it will teach you violence is the BIG problem with the Quran.

Personally, I'd put an advisory on the Quran. That it teaches you violence is the best way to solving your problems.

Muhammad got tease and mock and chase out of Mecca. What does he do? While licking his wounds in Medina, slowly built his Army to take revenge. Did Meccans hurt him physically? No! They verbally made fun of him. Yet he goes in there and slaughters some of them and only allowing those to live if they submitted to his rule.


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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 3:24:43 AM   
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If Trump would just shut the fuck up and let our intel people do their jobs.


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FULL SPEECH: President Trump address in Saudi Arabia

I want to thank King Salman for his extraordinary words, and the magnificent Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for hosting today’s summit. I am honored to be received by such gracious hosts. I have always heard about the splendor of your country and the kindness of your citizens, but words do not do justice to the grandeur of this remarkable place and the incredible hospitality you have shown us from the moment we arrived.

You also hosted me in the treasured home of King Abdulaziz, the founder of the Kingdom who united your great people. Working alongside another beloved leader—American President Franklin Roosevelt—King Abdulaziz began the enduring partnership between our two countries. King Salman: your father would be so proud to see that you are continuing his legacy—and just as he opened the first chapter in our partnership, today we begin a new chapter that will bring lasting benefits to our citizens.

Let me now also extend my deep and heartfelt gratitude to each and every one of the distinguished heads of state who made this journey here today. You greatly honor us with your presence, and I send the warmest regards from my country to yours. I know that our time together will bring many blessings to both your people and mine.

I stand before you as a representative of the American People, to deliver a message of friendship and hope. That is why I chose to make my first foreign visit a trip to the heart of the Muslim world, to the nation that serves as custodian of the two holiest sites in the Islamic Faith.

In my inaugural address to the American People, I pledged to strengthen America’s oldest friendships, and to build new partnerships in pursuit of peace. I also promised that America will not seek to impose our way of life on others, but to outstretch our hands in the spirit of cooperation and trust.

Our vision is one of peace, security, and prosperity—in this region, and in the world.

Our goal is a coalition of nations who share the aim of stamping out extremism and providing our children a hopeful future that does honor to God.

And so this historic and unprecedented gathering of leaders—unique in the history of nations—is a symbol to the world of our shared resolve and our mutual respect. To the leaders and citizens of every country assembled here today, I want you to know that the United States is eager to form closer bonds of friendship, security, culture and commerce.

For Americans, this is an exciting time. A new spirit of optimism is sweeping our country: in just a few months, we have created almost a million new jobs, added over 3 trillion dollars of new value, lifted the burdens on American industry, and made record investments in our military that will protect the safety of our people and enhance the security of our wonderful friends and allies—many of whom are here today.

Now, there is even more blessed news I am pleased to share with you. My meetings with King Salman, the Crown Prince, and the Deputy Crown Prince, have been filled with great warmth, good will, and tremendous cooperation. Yesterday, we signed historic agreements with the Kingdom that will invest almost $400 billion in our two countries and create many thousands of jobs in America and Saudi Arabia.

This landmark agreement includes the announcement of a $110 billion Saudi-funded defense purchase—and we will be sure to help our Saudi friends to get a good deal from our great American defense companies. This agreement will help the Saudi military to take a greater role in security operations.

We have also started discussions with many of the countries present today on strengthening partnerships, and forming new ones, to advance security and stability across the Middle East and beyond.

Later today, we will make history again with the opening of a new Global Center for Combating Extremist Ideology—located right here, in this central part of the Islamic World.

This groundbreaking new center represents a clear declaration that Muslim-majority countries must take the lead in combatting radicalization, and I want to express our gratitude to King Salman for this strong demonstration of leadership.

I have had the pleasure of welcoming several of the leaders present today to the White House, and I look forward to working with all of you.

America is a sovereign nation and our first priority is always the safety and security of our citizens. We are not here to lecture—we are not here to tell other people how to live, what to do, who to be, or how to worship. Instead, we are here to offer partnership—based on shared interests and values—to pursue a better future for us all.

Here at this summit we will discuss many interests we share together. But above all we must be united in pursuing the one goal that transcends every other consideration. That goal is to meet history’s great test—to conquer extremism and vanquish the forces of terrorism.

Young Muslim boys and girls should be able to grow up free from fear, safe from violence, and innocent of hatred. And young Muslim men and women should have the chance to build a new era of prosperity for themselves and their peoples.

With God’s help, this summit will mark the beginning of the end for those who practice terror and spread its vile creed. At the same time, we pray this special gathering may someday be remembered as the beginning of peace in the Middle East—and maybe, even all over the world.

But this future can only be achieved through defeating terrorism and the ideology that drives it.

Few nations have been spared its violent reach.

America has suffered repeated barbaric attacks—from the atrocities of September 11th to the devastation of the Boston Bombing, to the horrible killings in San Bernardino and Orlando.

The nations of Europe have also endured unspeakable horror. So too have the nations of Africa and even South America. India, Russia, China and Australia have been victims.

But, in sheer numbers, the deadliest toll has been exacted on the innocent people of Arab, Muslim and Middle Eastern nations. They have borne the brunt of the killings and the worst of the destruction in this wave of fanatical violence.

Some estimates hold that more than 95 percent of the victims of terrorism are themselves Muslim.

We now face a humanitarian and security disaster in this region that is spreading across the planet. It is a tragedy of epic proportions. No description of the suffering and depravity can begin to capture its full measure.

The true toll of ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, and so many others, must be counted not only in the number of dead. It must also be counted in generations of vanished dreams.

The Middle East is rich with natural beauty, vibrant cultures, and massive amounts of historic treasures. It should increasingly become one of the great global centers of commerce and opportunity.

This region should not be a place from which refugees flee, but to which newcomers flock.

Saudi Arabia is home to the holiest sites in one of the world’s great faiths. Each year millions of Muslims come from around the world to Saudi Arabia to take part in the Hajj. In addition to ancient wonders, this country is also home to modern ones—including soaring achievements in architecture.

Egypt was a thriving center of learning and achievement thousands of years before other parts of the world. The wonders of Giza, Luxor and Alexandria are proud monuments to that ancient heritage.

All over the world, people dream of walking through the ruins of Petra in Jordan. Iraq was the cradle of civilization and is a land of natural beauty. And the United Arab Emirates has reached incredible heights with glass and steel, and turned earth and water into spectacular works of art.

The entire region is at the center of the key shipping lanes of the Suez Canal, the Red Sea, and the Straits of Hormuz. The potential of this region has never been greater. 65 percent of its population is under the age of 30. Like all young men and women, they seek great futures to build, great national projects to join, and a place for their families to call home.

But this untapped potential, this tremendous cause for optimism, is held at bay by bloodshed and terror. There can be no coexistence with this violence. There can be no tolerating it, no accepting it, no excusing it, and no ignoring it.

Every time a terrorist murders an innocent person, and falsely invokes the name of God, it should be an insult to every person of faith.

Terrorists do not worship God, they worship death.

If we do not act against this organized terror, then we know what will happen. Terrorism’s devastation of life will continue to spread. Peaceful societies will become engulfed by violence. And the futures of many generations will be sadly squandered.

If we do not stand in uniform condemnation of this killing—then not only will we be judged by our people, not only will we be judged by history, but we will be judged by God.

This is not a battle between different faiths, different sects, or different civilizations.

This is a battle between barbaric criminals who seek to obliterate human life, and decent people of all religions who seek to protect it.

This is a battle between Good and Evil.

When we see the scenes of destruction in the wake of terror, we see no signs that those murdered were Jewish or Christian, Shia or Sunni. When we look upon the streams of innocent blood soaked into the ancient ground, we cannot see the faith or sect or tribe of the victims—we see only that they were Children of God whose deaths are an insult to all that is holy.

But we can only overcome this evil if the forces of good are united and strong—and if everyone in this room does their fair share and fulfills their part of the burden.

Terrorism has spread across the world. But the path to peace begins right here, on this ancient soil, in this sacred land.

America is prepared to stand with you—in pursuit of shared interests and common security.

But the nations of the Middle East cannot wait for American power to crush this enemy for them. The nations of the Middle East will have to decide what kind of future they want for themselves, for their countries, and for their children.

It is a choice between two futures—and it is a choice America CANNOT make for you.

A better future is only possible if your nations drive out the terrorists and extremists. Drive. Them. Out.

DRIVE THEM OUT of your places of worship.

DRIVE THEM OUT of your communities.

DRIVE THEM OUT of your holy land, and

DRIVE THEM OUT OF THIS EARTH.

For our part, America is committed to adjusting our strategies to meet evolving threats and new facts. We will discard those strategies that have not worked—and will apply new approaches informed by experience and judgment. We are adopting a Principled Realism, rooted in common values and shared interests.

Our friends will never question our support, and our enemies will never doubt our determination. Our partnerships will advance security through stability, not through radical disruption. We will make decisions based on real-world outcomes – not inflexible ideology. We will be guided by the lessons of experience, not the confines of rigid thinking. And, wherever possible, we will seek gradual reforms – not sudden intervention.

We must seek partners, not perfection—and to make allies of all who share our goals.

Above all, America seeks peace—not war.

Muslim nations must be willing to take on the burden, if we are going to defeat terrorism and send its wicked ideology into oblivion.

The first task in this joint effort is for your nations to deny all territory to the foot soldiers of evil. Every country in the region has an absolute duty to ensure that terrorists find no sanctuary on their soil.

Many are already making significant contributions to regional security: Jordanian pilots are crucial partners against ISIS in Syria and Iraq. Saudi Arabia and a regional coalition have taken strong action against Houthi militants in Yemen. The Lebanese Army is hunting ISIS operatives who try to infiltrate their territory. Emirati troops are supporting our Afghan partners. In Mosul, American troops are supporting Kurds, Sunnis and Shias fighting together for their homeland. Qatar, which hosts the U.S. Central Command, is a crucial strategic partner. Our longstanding partnership with Kuwait and Bahrain continue to enhance security in the region. And courageous Afghan soldiers are making tremendous sacrifices in the fight against the Taliban, and others, in the fight for their country.

As we deny terrorist organizations control of territory and populations, we must also strip them of their access to funds. We must cut off the financial channels that let ISIS sell oil, let extremists pay their fighters, and help terrorists smuggle their reinforcements.

I am proud to announce that the nations here today will be signing an agreement to prevent the financing of terrorism, called the Terrorist Financing Targeting Center – co-chaired by the United States and Saudi Arabia, and joined by every member of the Gulf Cooperation Council. It is another historic step in a day that will be long remembered.

I also applaud the Gulf Cooperation Council for blocking funders from using their countries as a financial base for terror, and designating Hezbollah as a terrorist organization last year. Saudi Arabia also joined us this week in placing sanctions on one of the most senior leaders of Hezbollah.

Of course, there is still much work to do.

That means honestly confronting the crisis of Islamist extremism and the Islamist terror groups it inspires. And it means standing together against the murder of innocent Muslims, the oppression of women, the persecution of Jews, and the slaughter of Christians.

Religious leaders must make this absolutely clear: Barbarism will deliver you no glory – piety to evil will bring you no dignity. If you choose the path of terror, your life will be empty, your life will be brief, and YOUR SOUL WILL BE CONDEMNED.

And political leaders must speak out to affirm the same idea: heroes don’t kill innocents; they save them. Many nations here today have taken important steps to raise up that message. Saudi Arabia’s Vision for 2030 is an important and encouraging statement of tolerance, respect, empowering women, and economic development.

The United Arab Emirates has also engaged in the battle for hearts and souls—and with the U.S., launched a center to counter the online spread of hate. Bahrain too is working to undermine recruitment and radicalism.

I also applaud Jordan, Turkey and Lebanon for their role in hosting refugees. The surge of migrants and refugees leaving the Middle East depletes the human capital needed to build stable societies and economies. Instead of depriving this region of so much human potential, Middle Eastern countries can give young people hope for a brighter future in their home nations and regions.

That means promoting the aspirations and dreams of all citizens who seek a better life—including women, children, and followers of all faiths. Numerous Arab and Islamic scholars have eloquently argued that protecting equality strengthens Arab and Muslim communities.

For many centuries the Middle East has been home to Christians, Muslims and Jews living side-by-side. We must practice tolerance and respect for each other once again—and make this region a place where every man and woman, no matter their faith or ethnicity, can enjoy a life of dignity and hope.

In that spirit, after concluding my visit in Riyadh, I will travel to Jerusalem and Bethlehem, and then to the Vatican—visiting many of the holiest places in the three Abrahamic Faiths. If these three faiths can join together in cooperation, then peace in this world is possible – including peace between Israelis and Palestinians. I will be meeting with both Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

Starving terrorists of their territory, their funding, and the false allure of their craven ideology, will be the basis for defeating them.

But no discussion of stamping out this threat would be complete without mentioning the government that gives terrorists all three—safe harbor, financial backing, and the social standing needed for recruitment. It is a regime that is responsible for so much instability in the region. I am speaking of course of Iran.

From Lebanon to Iraq to Yemen, Iran funds, arms, and trains terrorists, militias, and other extremist groups that spread destruction and chaos across the region. For decades, Iran has fueled the fires of sectarian conflict and terror.

It is a government that speaks openly of mass murder, vowing the destruction of Israel, death to America, and ruin for many leaders and nations in this room.

Among Iran’s most tragic and destabilizing interventions have been in Syria. Bolstered by Iran, Assad has committed unspeakable crimes, and the United States has taken firm action in response to the use of banned chemical weapons by the Assad Regime—launching 59 tomahawk missiles at the Syrian air base from where that murderous attack originated.

Responsible nations must work together to end the humanitarian crisis in Syria, eradicate ISIS, and restore stability to the region. The Iranian regime’s longest-suffering victims are its own people. Iran has a rich history and culture, but the people of Iran have endured hardship and despair under their leaders’ reckless pursuit of conflict and terror.

Until the Iranian regime is willing to be a partner for peace, all nations of conscience must work together to isolate Iran, deny it funding for terrorism, and pray for the day when the Iranian people have the just and righteous government they deserve.

The decisions we make will affect countless lives.

King Salman, I thank you for the creation of this great moment in history, and for your massive investment in America, its industry and its jobs. I also thank you for investing in the future of this part of the world.

This fertile region has all the ingredients for extraordinary success – a rich history and culture, a young and vibrant people, a thriving spirit of enterprise. But you can only unlock this future if the citizens of the Middle East are freed from extremism, terror and violence.

We in this room are the leaders of our peoples. They look to us for answers, and for action. And when we look back at their faces, behind every pair of eyes is a soul that yearns for justice.

Today, billions of faces are now looking at us, waiting for us to act on the great question of our time.

Will we be indifferent in the presence of evil? Will we protect our citizens from its violent ideology? Will we let its venom spread through our societies? Will we let it destroy the most holy sites on earth? If we do not confront this deadly terror, we know what the future will bring—more suffering and despair. But if we act—if we leave this magnificent room unified and determined to do what it takes to destroy the terror that threatens the world—then there is no limit to the great future our citizens will have.

The birthplace of civilization is waiting to begin a new renaissance. Just imagine what tomorrow could bring.

Glorious wonders of science, art, medicine and commerce to inspire humankind. Great cities built on the ruins of shattered towns. New jobs and industries that will lift up millions of people. Parents who no longer worry for their children, families who no longer mourn for their loved ones, and the faithful who finally worship without fear.

These are the blessings of prosperity and peace. These are the desires that burn with a righteous flame in every human heart. And these are the just demands of our beloved peoples.

I ask you to join me, to join together, to work together, and to FIGHT together—BECAUSE UNITED, WE WILL NOT FAIL.

Thank you. God Bless You. God Bless Your Countries. And God Bless the United States of America.

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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 3:52:26 AM   
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Really strange to see Trump use the word 'bollocks' - most especially in a speech in Saudi Arabia.

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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 3:53:48 AM   
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Maybe, just maybe, if we stop the finger pointing and REALLY start LISTENING to each other the world will be a better place. Albeit, considering the current political environment I don't see it happening. Welcome to reality folks.



There are entertainment venues and soft target shopping malls all over the world. Sadly, they cannot be protected 100% of the time. But the troops are getting better. Tonight's bomb did not go off inside the arena. And oh yeah, people are listening. If Trump would just shut the fuck up and let our intel people do their jobs.


And if Trump hadn't said anything you would be bitching about that also. Color me surprised. But then again this doesn't really have anything to do with Trump, does it? It's about extremists and their victims. Personally I am more concerned with the kids who were there and lost their lives and the families who won't see their kids again. Along with those who may be scarred mentally for life. I am also concerned with the muslims who will be targeted because of this. But I understand if some want to focus on the clown. After all to some people that's all that matters.

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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 4:03:09 AM   
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Really strange to see Trump use the word 'bollocks' - most especially in a speech in Saudi Arabia.


A few of the most pertinent parts:

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In my inaugural address to the American People, I pledged to strengthen America’s oldest friendships, and to build new partnerships in pursuit of peace. I also promised that America will not seek to impose our way of life on others, but to outstretch our hands in the spirit of cooperation and trust.

Our vision is one of peace, security, and prosperity—in this region, and in the world.

Our goal is a coalition of nations who share the aim of stamping out extremism and providing our children a hopeful future that does honor to God.


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We have also started discussions with many of the countries present today on strengthening partnerships, and forming new ones, to advance security and stability across the Middle East and beyond.

Later today, we will make history again with the opening of a new Global Center for Combating Extremist Ideology—located right here, in this central part of the Islamic World.

This groundbreaking new center represents a clear declaration that Muslim-majority countries must take the lead in combatting radicalization, and I want to express our gratitude to King Salman for this strong demonstration of leadership.


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But this untapped potential, this tremendous cause for optimism, is held at bay by bloodshed and terror. There can be no coexistence with this violence. There can be no tolerating it, no accepting it, no excusing it, and no ignoring it.

Every time a terrorist murders an innocent person, and falsely invokes the name of God, it should be an insult to every person of faith.

Terrorists do not worship God, they worship death.

If we do not act against this organized terror, then we know what will happen. Terrorism’s devastation of life will continue to spread. Peaceful societies will become engulfed by violence. And the futures of many generations will be sadly squandered.

If we do not stand in uniform condemnation of this killing—then not only will we be judged by our people, not only will we be judged by history, but we will be judged by God.

This is not a battle between different faiths, different sects, or different civilizations.

This is a battle between barbaric criminals who seek to obliterate human life, and decent people of all religions who seek to protect it.

This is a battle between Good and Evil.

When we see the scenes of destruction in the wake of terror, we see no signs that those murdered were Jewish or Christian, Shia or Sunni. When we look upon the streams of innocent blood soaked into the ancient ground, we cannot see the faith or sect or tribe of the victims—we see only that they were Children of God whose deaths are an insult to all that is holy.

But we can only overcome this evil if the forces of good are united and strong—and if everyone in this room does their fair share and fulfills their part of the burden.

Terrorism has spread across the world. But the path to peace begins right here, on this ancient soil, in this sacred land.

America is prepared to stand with you—in pursuit of shared interests and common security.

But the nations of the Middle East cannot wait for American power to crush this enemy for them. The nations of the Middle East will have to decide what kind of future they want for themselves, for their countries, and for their children.

It is a choice between two futures—and it is a choice America CANNOT make for you.

A better future is only possible if your nations drive out the terrorists and extremists. Drive. Them. Out.

DRIVE THEM OUT of your places of worship.

DRIVE THEM OUT of your communities.

DRIVE THEM OUT of your holy land, and

DRIVE THEM OUT OF THIS EARTH.




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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 4:24:41 AM   
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Comment by the Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain, Harun Khan:

“My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.

“This is horrific, this is criminal. May the perpetrators face the full weight of justice both in this life and the next.

“I pay tribute to the police and emergency services who have worked valiantly to save lives last night.

“They were helped by civilians who rushed in to offer their support.

“I urge all those in the region and around the country to pool together to support those affected.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3628055/manchester-arena-bombing-muslim-council-britain-latest/

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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 4:26:20 AM   
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The latest news is that our Intelligence service are aware of the identity of the suicide bomber. They will now be investigating known associates.

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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 4:33:17 AM   
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It's good to see that Trump's finally developed enough discernment to be able to distinguish between decent Muslims on the one hand and Islamist terrorists on the other. I just hope that some of his lunatic supporters - a couple of whom have posted here - are able some day to be just as realistic.

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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 4:37:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: klmpong

I think this is as good a time as any to reiterate the differences between Islam and Christianity.
Not all ideas are equal.

I am a christian and yet have made a point of procuring and thoroughly reveiwing a copy of the Quran.

Some may remember in years past the incedents of violent attack on abortion clinics here in the U S , including muder, in the name of "christianity".
In each and every instance, their were large groups of christian leaders from across the country and race spectrum, standing together in front of the media to condemn each attack and emphasize that these actions were NOT christian.
A show of unity that went along way to clarify the issue and ease further threats.

Where are the leaders of Islam now? Anyone? ......Anyone?.......
I have neither seen nor heard of even one instance of any Imam speaking out publicly to condem any terrorist attack or threat.
Not one, much less a group. Why is that? Its because "believe or be killed" IS the Islam "religion".
It is not a "philosophy of peace" as many would have you believe.

I think if anyone takes the time to actually investigate the Quran, with a reasonable mind, it will be exposed that Islam is a bad idea. It should be exposed for what it is,.....a facist regime, .....nothing more, nothing less. It should be dealt with accordingly.


This is a horrendous act, which I hope is not repeated elsewhere.

I had hoped that more posters early would express sympathy and solidarity with the people of Manchester, Christian and Muslim, especially when people of both faiths were at the concert, tended to the sick and dying and have condemned the actions of the bomber on national television. Peon has posted the statement by the Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain.

My immediate concerns are with those directly involved - those who have lost people or been injured and those who will never be the same again, like the girl who stayed with her friend who was knocked over and trampled in the stampede and thought she was going to die.

We have had terrorist atrocities in the UK since I was a child. I hope this one doesn't change our resolve to preserve our way of life while we carry on rooting out the perpetrators.

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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 4:42:16 AM   
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I am more concerned with the kids who were there and lost their lives and the families who won't see their kids again. Along with those who may be scarred mentally for life. I am also concerned with the muslims who will be targeted because of this.


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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 4:42:42 AM   
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Like I posted in the OP, how dare anyone discuss reality

This tragedy was entirely preventable but the ideologues are determined to live out their lives in fantasy worlds wherein those who point to facts are labeled monsters



How do you work out that the tragedy was entirely preventable?

Unless we never have crowds of people in relatively predictable places on our streets, this sort of attack will always be possible.

The best defiance is showing solidarity and getting on with our lives.

I am not the biggest fan of our security services and the over intrusive powers they have, but I do think that every effort is being taken to tackle terrorism while trying to avoid over-reaction which can be just as damaging. I hope we are getting the balance right.

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RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert - 5/23/2017 4:43:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

Sky News Live


I am sure Peon's Muslim neighbors will send the victim's family a fruit basket with a sympathy note.


You are a nasty piece of work Tamaka.

Normal human reactions would include shock, sadness, a feeling of pain about our shared experience of mortality and how fragile life is and anger at what kind of person would do this. This is a horrendous act, which I hope is not repeated elsewhere.

After 22 adults and children dying on the streets of Manchester, we are into all the tasteless Muslim bashing, as if every Muslim in the UK was responsible for the sick actions of this bomber. That would be understandable given a recent the atrocity, especially if you know people who were involved.

But your first reaction wasn't one of care and concern. You choose to bate a British poster, who doesn't agree with your views on Muslims.

Even for you, this is a sick low.

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