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AtUrCervix -> RE: Weak men advocate for social equality (5/25/2017 5:35:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwird

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix
The SECOND Eve ate the apple....women owned the game (and have ever since....any argument to the contrary is....fallacious).



If not indeed phallacious.


Fuuuuuck.....(did I fuck that up?)




heavyblinker -> RE: Weak men advocate for social equality (5/25/2017 9:33:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Why ever would I treat an adult like an infant and solve every problem for them?


It's not about solving their problems for them, it's about providing people with the means to solve their own problems.
People who have always been wealthy (or at least not poor) or have always been strong (or at least not very weak) are oblivious to what it means to be poor or weak, or what it means to have people treat you like you are poor or weak.

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"A key question for future research might be whether certain personality traits, such as narcissism or a drive for dominance, might be related to both muscle-striving and inegalitarianism."


If someone is a narcissist, or is hung up on being able to dominate others while everyone else is okay with being equal or working as a team, then it makes sense that this person would want to do whatever they can to make sure nobody else gets ahead... it would feed their ego and help them maintain their advantage.




heavyblinker -> RE: Weak men advocate for social equality (5/25/2017 9:40:35 PM)

I keep thinking of how many incredibly buff guys you will see if you go to a gay pride parade.
I really can't imagine them not leaning more towards social equality.




PeonForHer -> RE: Weak men advocate for social equality (5/27/2017 1:12:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

I keep thinking of how many incredibly buff guys you will see if you go to a gay pride parade.
I really can't imagine them not leaning more towards social equality.


Yep, that too. ;)

Really weird focus in this thread, though. It strikes me that the focus should be on conservative men because it's these who one would expect to want to be muscular - because, for them, we're constrained to live in fear. Per Thomas Hobbes, we live in a dog-eat-dog world in which nature is 'red in tooth and claw'. You have to fortify yourself against those hyenas wandering the streets, waiting to jump you in some dark alley. Then there's fear of change - especially revolutionary change - and the terror of the French Revolutionaries that Edmund Burke warned us about. The spectre of Madame Guillotine will always be there, giving the rich and powerful nightmares about Madame Guillotine.

Just two centuries-old philosophers, albeit ones who are widely regarded as inspirers and founding fathers of modern conservatism. Conservatism's not like that now, is it? Apparently they conservatives remain more fearful than liberals, one study found: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds :

"Most societies are divided into a party that wants change (the more liberal party) and one that is afraid of change (the conservatives). The liberal party is generally more intellectual and the conservative party is more anti-intellectual.

The conservative party is big on national defense and magnifies our perception of threat, whether of foreign aggressors, immigrants, terrorists, or invading ideologies like Communism. To a conservative, the world really is a frightening place."

So one might expect conservatives, being hard-wired to be more fearful, to build up their muscles as they go through life. However, of course, muscular strength is of lesser importance in modern societies than other kinds of strength, especially the cerebral kind. In fact, until relatively recently, having muscular strength marked you out as inescapably one of the lower orders: the truly powerful man was no brute, but a gentleman. Pen is mightier than the sword - that kind of thing. Brawling in the streets was for vulgar louts.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Weak men advocate for social equality (5/27/2017 7:32:10 AM)

@Bounty,

I agree, people are people, but segments of society are representative, in part, of their culture and not all samples taken from one group are going to be a homogeneous sample in comparison to one taken from a different cultural/socioeconomic group. I'm rushing this, so hopefully my point is making sense. An elite, highly expensive college isn't going to have the same socioeconomic group as a Community College, for example. If people are people, a homogeneous substance with variable composition, then we would not have demographics such as red states and blue states.

The thread topic is, "Weak men advocate for social equality," a statement made that, in my opinion, is not verified by the study provided. Which is why I stated I would have liked to have seen the same study applied in such a way that allowed for data that might support the premise made by the OP.




vincentML -> RE: Weak men advocate for social equality (5/27/2017 8:47:28 AM)

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If someone is a narcissist, or is hung up on being able to dominate others while everyone else is okay with being equal or working as a team, then it makes sense that this person would want to do whatever they can to make sure nobody else gets ahead... it would feed their ego and help them maintain their advantage.

The study is a simplistic piece of crap and the authors very deliberately make the point that the causal direction of the correlation is not easily determined Do muscular men disdain equality or do those who disdain equality seek to become muscular men? From there you can color in your own assumptions about motives with your crayons.

The OP's silly leap to the notion that the survival of the species is due to muscular men is contradicted by studies on altruism and frankly is just drivel the OP spit out after sucking Ayn Rand's tits.




PeonForHer -> RE: Weak men advocate for social equality (5/27/2017 8:58:37 AM)

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The OP's silly leap to the notion that the survival of the species is due to muscular men is contradicted by studies on altruism and frankly is just drivel the OP spit out after sucking Ayn Rand's tits.

Yep. Well, in my opinion, most people - Rand included - who sneer at the idea of altruism have very little idea of just how much they themselves have benefitted from altruism.




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