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WickedsDesire -> US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 9:27:17 AM)

US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul

The United States has admitted that at least 105 Iraqi civilians were killed in an air strike it carried out in Mosul in March.

US Central Command (CentCom) said it had targeted two snipers from so-called Islamic State (IS) with what it called a "precision-guided munition."

However, the strike detonated explosives that militants had placed in the building, CentCom said.
Civilians sheltering in the lower floors were killed when it collapsed.

CentCom said the death toll included four civilians in another nearby structure.

Eyewitnesses claimed another 36 non-combatants were also in the building, but US authorities said it had "insufficient evidence to determine their status".

CentCom previously said the planes had acted at the request of Iraqi security forces, as coalition forces attempted to wrest control of the city from IS.

A summary of the investigation said those organising the strike "could not have predicted the presence of civilians in the structure prior to the engagement".

The explosives hidden by IS were at least four times more powerful than the weapon used in the air strike, it said.

Initial media reports had placed the casualty estimates as high as 200.

Hundreds of thousands of civilians have fled the northern Iraqi city as the operation to reclaim it has continued.

Thousands of Iraqi security forces, Kurdish Peshmerga fighters, Sunni Arab tribesmen and Shia militiamen, assisted by US-led coalition warplanes and military advisers, are involved in the offensive, which was launched in October 2016.



MrRodgers -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 10:27:11 AM)

When the west has such technology available as 'your' hammer, everything looks like a nail.

So rather than send in a few troops to take out these snipers...hit the whole fucking place with your big hammer and collateral damage (murder) is all part of war.



Aylee -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 10:47:16 AM)

So there were explosives in the building. Which caused secondary explosions?

Hmm. . . munitions in the building make the building a legitimate target. Tough about the civilians, but that is the way it goes in war.

We should blow up more hidden stashes of munitions.



WickedsDesire -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 10:54:37 AM)

MrRodgers crossed my mind too that

Seems that way Aylee But they had no idea the explosives were there so no! The building(arms dump), the civilians, and unknown explosives were not a legit target

I understand collateral damage - I dont like it being termed that way (ignore the hypocrisy of today's "speech") Accidental - inadvertent murder - seems more apt to me.

I still think all sides should publish death figures and the UN can sift through those, or (Red Cross Oxfam etc- probably these ones) and publish an approximation, and, I get the USA UK doesn't target civilians and innocents 99.9% of the time.



mnottertail -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 11:08:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

So there were explosives in the building. Which caused secondary explosions?

Hmm. . . munitions in the building make the building a legitimate target. Tough about the civilians, but that is the way it goes in war.

We should blow up more hidden stashes of munitions.

Yes and no, the civilians are used as shields and the guerrillas force their way in and store their goods there taking over the place. It isnt real voluntary.

So............Yes and No, says we shouldnt be involved in that.



BoscoX -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 11:10:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

So there were explosives in the building. Which caused secondary explosions?

Hmm. . . munitions in the building make the building a legitimate target. Tough about the civilians, but that is the way it goes in war.

We should blow up more hidden stashes of munitions.


I am sure ISIS was planning on using those munitions for life-saving missions, Aylee. It's not like they have a habit of targeting civilians with them or anything



mnottertail -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 11:11:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

MrRodgers crossed my mind too that

Seems that way Aylee But they had no idea the explosives were there so no! The building(arms dump), the civilians, and unknown explosives were not a legit target

I understand collateral damage - I dont like it being termed that way (ignore the hypocrisy of today's "speech") Accidental - inadvertent murder - seems more apt to me.

I still think all sides should publish death figures and the UN can sift through those, or (Red Cross Oxfam etc- probably these ones) and publish an approximation, and, I get the USA UK doesn't target civilians and innocents 99.9% of the time.

Yeah, the problem is that America would love to minimize the count on collateral damage (remember they were selling surgical strikes when they were killing in Iraq?) (as would you rotters, to be perfectly fair) while the opposition would love to maximize that count, dont matter still not going to be accurate. and everyone is touting their good and bad kills and pimping according to the spin they want, you got that now.



BamaD -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 11:20:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

So there were explosives in the building. Which caused secondary explosions?

Hmm. . . munitions in the building make the building a legitimate target. Tough about the civilians, but that is the way it goes in war.

We should blow up more hidden stashes of munitions.

These number are questionable. Where do they come from? ISIS tells us we killed x number of civilians and we just accept that as fact? Then when their munitions explod it is our fault?
Mr Rogers would scream about boots on the ground and screams when we don't put boots on the ground.



mnottertail -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 11:27:27 AM)

and you just scream and shit your pants and say stupid shit.

What count is coming out of US sources that we shouldnt believe either?

Sadly, America isn't shitting their pants over this or really giving the glimmer of a good goddamn fuck about it, we have done this for our existence.
Ask everyone here what Mai Lai was, and what happened to the LT. Nobody under 50 will know. and most wont know what happened to the Platoon Leader.



WickedsDesire -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 12:59:30 PM)

Why are the numbers questionable? You jackals have admitted 105 and shaved of 26 plus...ooo tell me the story of trumpsiss first mission in Yemen

Trumps and his enabler account
1. One civilian may have died and we gathered valuable intelligence
2. 50 children and women slaughtered and we gathered shag all intelligence and got 6-8 terrorists - heh if you get them young at least the rot will not set in eh!


You question the numbers but not the atrocity? You seem especially thick did you vote the the orange smell I wager you did .



BamaD -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 1:15:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

So there were explosives in the building. Which caused secondary explosions?

Hmm. . . munitions in the building make the building a legitimate target. Tough about the civilians, but that is the way it goes in war.

We should blow up more hidden stashes of munitions.

These number are questionable. Where do they come from? ISIS tells us we killed x number of civilians and we just accept that as fact? Then when their munitions explod it is our fault?
Mr Rogers would scream about boots on the ground and screams when we don't put boots on the ground.

Did anyone else catch the story about how the civilians were in danger?
ISIS put them in a building, loaded the building, then set it up as a target (based thing we would have to go after) so they could attack for killing civilians. And, of course some on here swallowed it, hook, line. and sinker.



MrRodgers -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 2:12:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

MrRodgers crossed my mind too that

Seems that way Aylee But they had no idea the explosives were there so no! The building(arms dump), the civilians, and unknown explosives were not a legit target

I understand collateral damage - I dont like it being termed that way (ignore the hypocrisy of today's "speech") Accidental - inadvertent murder - seems more apt to me.

I still think all sides should publish death figures and the UN can sift through those, or (Red Cross Oxfam etc- probably these ones) and publish an approximation, and, I get the USA UK doesn't target civilians and innocents 99.9% of the time.

Collateral damage is an Orwellian term, a euphemism to cover the ugliness and death of civilians in war.

Notice how in public anyway, we almost never hear it anymore...and we shouldn't. Plus, how do we know for sure there were any explosives in that bldg. and that's not just cover (spin) for at least some of the deaths of civilians ?



WickedsDesire -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 2:18:15 PM)

You are very lucky my computer crashed before I hit the post button

That aside does anyone wish to buy me a new computer?




MrRodgers -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 2:21:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

So there were explosives in the building. Which caused secondary explosions?

Hmm. . . munitions in the building make the building a legitimate target. Tough about the civilians, but that is the way it goes in war.

We should blow up more hidden stashes of munitions.

These number are questionable. Where do they come from? ISIS tells us we killed x number of civilians and we just accept that as fact? Then when their munitions explod it is our fault?
Mr Rogers would scream about boots on the ground and screams when we don't put boots on the ground.

I say get the fuck out altogether but then ISIS would control the oil and we just can't have that now can we...fuck the civilians dead.

Since when has any military really and truly given a shit ? It's been for all of my adult life...'Oh sorry about all of the families we 'got' too' Sorry about the hospitals we hit, sorry about the weddings or funerals (families) we hit. There were no explosives at any of those.

All we get is spin and as likely...lies. I'll bet you right now, ISIS is gathering up all of the young men they can right there and screaming to them...'See what the Americans do ? They don't care about you.'



WickedsDesire -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 2:21:57 PM)

I am not re writing it

But in essence I cited two different examples i can cite many well the ones they allow us to know
1 A lie (Yemen) followed by more lies
2 An accident

So its this simple how many kids and women and innocent do the following murder
1. Coalition
2. Assad - let lob in Russia to that one
3. ISIS

does anyone know because I do not.

because if you give ISIS the platform they will cite 100 and make no mention of them fuking 7 year old kids and running over them with tanks for they are infidels (apparently) to the tune of as much as their fear and weapons will allow,





WickedsDesire -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 2:26:22 PM)

We could give ISIS, and all their kindred, a bit of Africa and wall it all off - whats wrong with that?



BamaD -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 2:28:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

MrRodgers crossed my mind too that

Seems that way Aylee But they had no idea the explosives were there so no! The building(arms dump), the civilians, and unknown explosives were not a legit target

I understand collateral damage - I dont like it being termed that way (ignore the hypocrisy of today's "speech") Accidental - inadvertent murder - seems more apt to me.

I still think all sides should publish death figures and the UN can sift through those, or (Red Cross Oxfam etc- probably these ones) and publish an approximation, and, I get the USA UK doesn't target civilians and innocents 99.9% of the time.

Collateral damage is an Orwellian term, a euphemism to cover the ugliness and death of civilians in war.

Notice how in public anyway, we almost never hear it anymore...and we shouldn't. Plus, how do we know for sure there were any explosives in that bldg. and that's not just cover (spin) for at least some of the deaths of civilians ?

A The bomb we used couldn't do that much damage.
B You seem to like and have more faith in ISIS than in the US.



kdsub -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 2:36:20 PM)

I think this is a tragic accident... one would be too many so differing numbers of the actual casualties make little difference to me... especially if the one was myself. But the above said I think this is another example of the difference between the US and the Islamic State. They purposely put innocent people in danger to either limit retaliation... or if they can draw fire then use the accidental killing of innocents in propaganda.

Butch



mnottertail -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 2:38:45 PM)

WMD, how many innocents did we kill using that propaganda?

I aint sure MAJ. There aint a lot of right here for anyone.



WickedsDesire -> RE: US air strike on IS killed 105 civilians in Iraq's Mosul (5/25/2017 2:50:46 PM)

I cited two:
1. Your president tried to cover up his first strike in Yemen with lie after lie - should come as no surprise to anyone these days given he is a pathological liar and even tried to blame Obama for that one again.
2. An "accident" as they went for the remote war and scorched earth policy

Lets call those innocents 200-300
lets credit that to the "collation"

I want to know how much each side kills or are we matching them - due to our superior firepower

or is it 1:1. 10:1 or 1000:1 or 1000:1

because at the end of the day they will cite - we killed 200 innocents. Now if we could cite back they killed 1000 to that 200, or more, then we are onto something



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