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A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 5:52:59 AM   
Milesnmiles


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I was just looking something up on the internet and again noticed the comment that a “higher” percentage of “blacks” are killed or jailed than their percentage in the population in general.

And once again I thought since when does that matter?

I mean are police really supposed to think; I arrested a “black man” for a crime now I have to arrest 16 “white men” for crimes before I can arrest another “black man”?

What if “white men” aren’t living up to their percentages for crime?

Are the police to let “black criminals” “slide” until “white men” bring up their crime percentages?

If a policeman is being attacked and fears for his life is he really supposed to stop and think; oh, wait have 16 “white men” been shot since the last “black man” because if not I’ll just have to let this “black man” beat me unconscious?
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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 7:33:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I thought I might make a disclaimer: I don’t believe in the concept of races, to me there is only one race and that is the human race and so if a person commits a crime, I don’t care what his eye, skin or hair color is or what “percentage of the population” they are, they should pay for their crime, simple as that.


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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 7:37:55 AM   
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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 7:50:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, every country has more percentage of a minority being killed or jailed. Whichever minority group that is struggling the most. It just makes sense that if their community are struggling with more poverty issues, broken families, etc etc, they might develop more troubled people. That's why the focus to turn everything around is to focus on how to improve the lives of the new generation and help them out of the poverty cycle.

It means right, we need to find the true measure of what percentage of black over their population are involve in crimes, versus what percentage of white over their population are involve in crime?

IF the blacks have higher percentage of their population involve in crime, the sums add up and make sense.

But if higher percentage of the white population are involve in crime.

I will then agree that some police serious prejudice is going on. Because if higher percentage of white people against white population are involve in crimes, then technically, more white people should be jailed and killed.

And what i mean is, for example if statistic says, for every 10 black person, 1 will become a criminal. Versus for every 10 white person, 2 will become a criminal.

IF that was the stats, then technically, there shouldn't be more black people in jail or killed.

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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 9:01:35 AM   
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Well, every country has more percentage of a minority being killed or jailed. Whichever minority group that is struggling the most. It just makes sense that if their community are struggling with more poverty issues, broken families, etc etc, they might develop more troubled people. That's why the focus to turn everything around is to focus on how to improve the lives of the new generation and help them out of the poverty cycle.

I agree, if a community is having trouble with a higher crime rate then more attention should be given to fixing their problems but ofttimes the "solutions" add to their problems, like making welfare slaves, rather than solving them.
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It means right, we need to find the true measure of what percentage of black over their population are involve in crimes, versus what percentage of white over their population are involve in crime?

IF the blacks have higher percentage of their population involve in crime, the sums add up and make sense.

But if higher percentage of the white population are involve in crime.

I will then agree that some police serious prejudice is going on. Because if higher percentage of white people against white population are involve in crimes, then technically, more white people should be jailed and killed.

And what i mean is, for example if statistic says, for every 10 black person, 1 will become a criminal. Versus for every 10 white person, 2 will become a criminal.

IF that was the stats, then technically, there shouldn't be more black people in jail or killed.

This is the problem I was talking about. I think these are “fake” statistics and are a distraction from looking at the real problems, if there were no “whites” in America and only blacks would we be talking about “black lives matter” if someone was shot or arrested? No, we would be talking about why it happened and how to prevent it in the future but there would be no discussion of why it was a “black” person.

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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 2:42:34 PM   
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Well, every country has more percentage of a minority being killed or jailed. Whichever minority group that is struggling the most. It just makes sense that if their community are struggling with more poverty issues, broken families, etc etc, they might develop more troubled people. That's why the focus to turn everything around is to focus on how to improve the lives of the new generation and help them out of the poverty cycle.

It means right, we need to find the true measure of what percentage of black over their population are involve in crimes, versus what percentage of white over their population are involve in crime?

IF the blacks have higher percentage of their population involve in crime, the sums add up and make sense.

But if higher percentage of the white population are involve in crime.

I will then agree that some police serious prejudice is going on. Because if higher percentage of white people against white population are involve in crimes, then technically, more white people should be jailed and killed.

And what i mean is, for example if statistic says, for every 10 black person, 1 will become a criminal. Versus for every 10 white person, 2 will become a criminal.

IF that was the stats, then technically, there shouldn't be more black people in jail or killed.

And of course the figure are the other way around.
Unfortunatly the focus is on the demographics not the actions.
As I have said repeatedly do something about crime and the killing of blacks will drop tremendously.
Quit declaring the cops guilty before any facts are in and the killing of blacks will drop.
This later because black "kids" figure the cops are going to kill them so they resist when arrested and guess what, the number of blacks killed gos up.
Certain people insist on comparing the 13% of the population to deaths, when they should compare compare the 48% of murders to deaths. When you do that it is white people who should be screaming and we should have a WLM. However that would be flawed to since it comes down to the behaviour, not the race.

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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 4:41:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am waiting for the study that actually breaks it down by police precinct instead of taking the percentage of blacks in the us and applying it across the board. In Detroit they represent about 80% so it only makes sense that there will be more blacks arrested in Detroit than Whites.
In Wixom they represent about 3% and the arrests should show that.

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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 5:53:19 PM   
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I am waiting for the study that actually breaks it down by police precinct instead of taking the percentage of blacks in the us and applying it across the board. In Detroit they represent about 80% so it only makes sense that there will be more blacks arrested in Detroit than Whites.
In Wixom they represent about 3% and the arrests should show that.

And this doesn't take into account that the crime rate is higher for blacks that whites. Studies should take this into account but they don't for fear of being labled as racist.

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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 6:02:02 PM   
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I am waiting for the study that actually breaks it down by police precinct instead of taking the percentage of blacks in the us and applying it across the board. In Detroit they represent about 80% so it only makes sense that there will be more blacks arrested in Detroit than Whites.
In Wixom they represent about 3% and the arrests should show that.

Unfortunately, reporting is not mandatory as I understand it. Nationwide, only a small percentage of police departments report to the FBI.

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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 6:02:51 PM   
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I am waiting for the study that actually breaks it down by police precinct instead of taking the percentage of blacks in the us and applying it across the board. In Detroit they represent about 80% so it only makes sense that there will be more blacks arrested in Detroit than Whites.
In Wixom they represent about 3% and the arrests should show that.

And this doesn't take into account that the crime rate is higher for blacks that whites. Studies should take this into account but they don't for fear of being labled as racist.


Just the facts m'aam. No no... not *those* facts.

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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 6:03:16 PM   
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I am waiting for the study that actually breaks it down by police precinct instead of taking the percentage of blacks in the us and applying it across the board. In Detroit they represent about 80% so it only makes sense that there will be more blacks arrested in Detroit than Whites.
In Wixom they represent about 3% and the arrests should show that.

And this doesn't take into account that the crime rate is higher for blacks that whites. Studies should take this into account but they don't for fear of being labled as racist.

Yeah, yeah, there is more crime in high poverty areas. We know that.

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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 7:10:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I keep thinking of the man who died in Tulsa.

If it was me, I wouldn't have been shot but not because I'm white but because it wouldn't have gone that far.

When the officer asked me if it was my car obstructing traffic in both directions, I would have stopped and talked to the officer about my car.

If for some reason I thought that I had to go to my car, perhaps to turn it off, I would have explained to the officer what I was doing.

If I started toward the car and the officer had told me to stop, I would have stopped.

If, for some reason, I continued toward the car, even after the officer had pulled a gun and the officer told me to get on my knees, I would have stopped and got on my knees.

Honestly the situation would never have gotten to the point where I could have been close enough to the car to reach in it for a gun and gotten shot.

The man who was shot had multiple opportunities, as I just pointed out, to de-escalate the situation by talking to the officer or doing what the officer asked but he never did. To me, this wasn’t whether the man was black or not but why he acted so stupidly.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/terence-crutcher-unarmed-black-man-shooting-60-minutes-2/

I’ve had a police officer put an assault rifle to my head and tell me to put my hands behind my back so he could handcuff me. I didn’t think, this is a good time to assert my personal rights and resist, I just did what was asked, thinking it might be the better course of valor to wait for a later time, perhaps when I didn’t have a gun to my head, to assert my rights.


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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 7:15:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Police are so hostile in the US!

I can't imagine ever being stopped by a police here and having to worry about all that and being shot even though our police all carry guns.

I've been stopped many times, because very often, they hold barricades on roads and checking every car that passes by, but it's always so easy. I just smile at them and they just smile at me. And they wave me off. I've seen other cars pulled aside to get out of their cars, but it's all very nice.

But if I had police treat me the way the US police did, I think I would be like questioning the crap outta them and probably it would turn ugly ha. I would not co-operate because they were being so mean! And like pulling a gun on you is like treating you as a criminal before ascertaining if you were one already. I'm reckless like that. But also, I don't respond well to authoritarian methods. I'd risk getting shot, and then I'm gonna bring hell on their whole department for shooting an innocent me, and for being so hostile in the first place over nothing. If I died in the process, then I die. Well they shot an unarmed women. Good of them, and hope they feel super proud of themselves instead of going after real criminals. They went out and shoot an unarm woman just upset at being manhandled.

I think end of the day, the biggest issue is, every civilian carry guns over there, which make the police feel like they need to protect their own lives from the civilian, probably why they would pull their gun first. It creates this sense of fear, the police fear for their lives, so they are behaving this way. Gun country....

Over here, the police are the only one who have guns, so they don't gotta worry about civilians pulling guns on them, so they don't need to be so mean about it.

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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 7:21:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		hey the drivers door was initially open and that dizzy fuck cop examined the interior of the vehicle before she went looking for him. If there was a gun within reach of the 'closed' window she whould have seen it dont you think?

This is a case of she pissed her panties fucked up big and they covered her ass.

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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 7:23:49 PM   
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Police are so hostile in the US!



what do you expect with zionists at the helm?

Never used to be this bad.

Look what they did to the germans

hell when I was a child they didnt make children close up their koolaid stands under threat of arrest liek they do now

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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 7:25:33 PM   
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Police are so hostile in the US!

I can't imagine ever being stopped by a police here and having to worry about all that and being shot even though our police all carry guns.

I've been stopped many times, because very often, they hold barricades on roads and checking every car that passes by, but it's always so easy. I just smile at them and they just smile at me. And they wave me off. I've seen other cars pulled aside to get out of their cars, but it's all very nice.

Yes, police in the US do tend to be more hostile than other countries, like Canada for instance but I've had many encounters with the police in the US that have not been hostile and been instead very friendly and helpful.

Also I met an Indiana State Trooper who had survived being shot in the head at a simple traffic stop and so I can understand the police being a little "hostile" from time to time.

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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 7:28:29 PM   
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what do you expect with zionists at the helm?

Never used to be this bad.

Look what they did to the germans

hell when I was a child they didnt make children close up their koolaid stands under threat of arrest liek they do now[/color]

I am not sure if this is a zionist problem. More to do with, police fearing for their own lives and protecting their own lives first, as they are dealing with civilians who carry guns and could possibly hurt them with their guns.

It's just a situation where, police feel the need to protect their own lives from potential civilians using their guns against them.

So it creates this hostility. Man it feels like the wild wild west out there. No wonder everyone is clinging on their guns, because it's like, they feel they need protection against the police, and the police feel unsafe because everybody they are dealing with have guns.

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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 7:29:13 PM   
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they arrest travellers under the guise they are commercial 'drivers' and try to escalate every stop into a drug or alchohol bust. BIG bucks for the munis.

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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 7:32:05 PM   
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Yes, police in the US do tend to be more hostile than other countries, like Canada for instance but I've had many encounters with the police in the US that have not been hostile and been instead very friendly and helpful.

My brother lost his mobile phone in Australia, somewhere 2 hours drive away from the city Melbourne. And a police officer actually drove that 2 hours to the city to deliver the phone to him. And then had to drive another 2 hours back.

It's like so nice too over there!

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RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? - 5/27/2017 7:33:56 PM   
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Yes, police in the US do tend to be more hostile than other countries, like Canada for instance but I've had many encounters with the police in the US that have not been hostile and been instead very friendly and helpful.

My brother lost his mobile phone in Australia, somewhere 2 hours drive away from the city Melbourne. And a police officer actually drove that 2 hours to the city to deliver the phone to him. And then had to drive another 2 hours back.

It's like so nice too over there!



Evidently they want to keep it that way. They keep the refugees in camps on offshore islands.

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