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You would have thought Obama would have cared about these issues. But i think it is great that Trump is dealing with it.

Please fill the rest of us in on how Trump is 'dealing' with the gang situation.

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I thought I give the forum chance to talk about something other than Trump.

I was just looking something up on the internet and again noticed the comment that a “higher” percentage of “blacks” are killed or jailed than their percentage in the population in general.

And once again I thought since when does that matter?

I mean are police really supposed to think; I arrested a “black man” for a crime now I have to arrest 16 “white men” for crimes before I can arrest another “black man”?

What if “white men” aren’t living up to their percentages for crime?

Are the police to let “black criminals” “slide” until “white men” bring up their crime percentages?

If a policeman is being attacked and fears for his life is he really supposed to stop and think; oh, wait have 16 “white men” been shot since the last “black man” because if not I’ll just have to let this “black man” beat me unconscious?

To answer your question;

Yes, the general rule is that at least 4 million property crime convictions have to be on record the year occurring, before one investment banker or hedge fund manager or equity fund partner or court-appointed trustee shyster lawyer even sees a court hearing for his/her transgressions, more often than not that likely being all there is to it, for costing numerous people half their retirement fund and/or half the estate and/or stealing their house by fraud and/or causing economic upheaval costing 50,000 or more jobs, by himself.

A bit of a crimp got put in that formula when the financial crisis came along, costing ~ 4 million jobs (absolute lowest estimate) and ~ $3 trillion (absolute lowest estimate) and there were, lo and behold, actually five or eight bankers who did jail time out of all that. And the poor-fuck burglars couldn't keep up, to hold the formula intact.

Burglaries of so many foreclosed houses didn't do much for anybody. But it really really screwed up the ratio numbers in any case, because not enough convictions out of that.

So then;

"What am I supposed to do? Arrest another 600,000 burglars before I arrest the next banker?"

I can see your plight, here.

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Trump wants to help the inner cities doesn't he?

And that will cut these things more than anything.
They will have to break the gangs to help the inner cities.

Yes and he's already going after the gangs.

Yes, and they are the bigest problem.
Businesses won't go where gangs rule.

You would have thought Obama would have cared about these issues. But i think it is great that Trump is dealing with it.

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the real question at hand is, all else being equal given any particular crime with the exception of skin color, are races differently represented when it comes to arrest and incarceration.

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What does it mean when people of color account for a low percentage of a population but over 50% conviction and incarceration.

Far left: Evidence of systematic racial discrimination.
Far right: Patent evidence of the dysfunctional culture of the races of color.

Reality will be found somewhere in between. When you have a racially homogeneous area of a city that constitutes the source of most of the crime; the police will profile the race living in the high crime area.

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the real question at hand is, all else being equal given any particular crime with the exception of skin color, are races differently represented when it comes to arrest and incarceration.

And the answer is no, white people are far more likely to be shot than people of other races.

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the real question at hand is, all else being equal given any particular crime with the exception of skin color, are races differently represented when it comes to arrest and incarceration.

And the answer is no, white people are far more likely to be shot than people of other races.

bama, that's really not an answer to the question I posed.

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imagine a person of a particular skin color has an interaction with the police. there may or may not be an arrest. if there is an arrest, there may or may not be an incarceration.

now go back in time, change the person's skin color, and compare the subsequent event to the prior one.

if there is a difference between how the two events unfold in terms of arrests and incarcerations, then something is at play that may be, and likely is, related to skin color.

that may be the "systemic or institutional racism" that merc mentioned above.

since we don't have time machines, the best we can do is to be able to control/account for as many variables as possible and compare situations as similar as can be.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
I thought I give the forum chance to talk about something other than Trump.

I was just looking something up on the internet and again noticed the comment that a “higher” percentage of “blacks” are killed or jailed than their percentage in the population in general.

And once again I thought since when does that matter?

I mean are police really supposed to think; I arrested a “black man” for a crime now I have to arrest 16 “white men” for crimes before I can arrest another “black man”?

What if “white men” aren’t living up to their percentages for crime?

Are the police to let “black criminals” “slide” until “white men” bring up their crime percentages?

If a policeman is being attacked and fears for his life is he really supposed to stop and think; oh, wait have 16 “white men” been shot since the last “black man” because if not I’ll just have to let this “black man” beat me unconscious?

To answer your question;

Yes, the general rule is that at least 4 million property crime convictions have to be on record the year occurring, before one investment banker or hedge fund manager or equity fund partner or court-appointed trustee shyster lawyer even sees a court hearing for his/her transgressions, more often than not that likely being all there is to it, for costing numerous people half their retirement fund and/or half the estate and/or stealing their house by fraud and/or causing economic upheaval costing 50,000 or more jobs, by himself.

A bit of a crimp got put in that formula when the financial crisis came along, costing ~ 4 million jobs (absolute lowest estimate) and ~ $3 trillion (absolute lowest estimate) and there were, lo and behold, actually five or eight bankers who did jail time out of all that. And the poor-fuck burglars couldn't keep up, to hold the formula intact.

Burglaries of so many foreclosed houses didn't do much for anybody. But it really really screwed up the ratio numbers in any case, because not enough convictions out of that.

So then;

"What am I supposed to do? Arrest another 600,000 burglars before I arrest the next banker?"

I can see your plight, here.

I'm not sure what you're even trying to say here.

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The OP is about crime percentages verses population percentages,

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not how expensive the crimes were in monetary values per crime.

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What I'm saying is crime is crime, whether it is burglary or fraud and all should punished equally and no consideration should be made for what ethnic/cultural group the person is from or what percentage of a particular ethnic/cultural should be arrested before another ethnic/cultural can be arrested.

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yes, of course they are not because we live in a world where there are too many variables to be controlled and accounted for.

however, that can still be done in a meaningful way such that race can be discussed, that is, to find out IF differences actually exist---in fact, its the ONLY way race can be truly and meaningfully discussed.

within a study, researchers would be in agreement on terms but yes, between studies terms would likely find some variation.

that's why critical reading is important.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

What does it mean when people of color account for a low percentage of a population but over 50% conviction and incarceration.

Far left: Evidence of systematic racial discrimination.
Far right: Patent evidence of the dysfunctional culture of the races of color.

Reality will be found somewhere in between. When you have a racially homogeneous area of a city that constitutes the source of most of the crime; the police will profile the race living in the high crime area.

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They are still a somewhat wild race that haven't been tamed yet. That's the problem. Whites overall have been tamed for many many generations.