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Greta75 -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 5:59:39 AM)

And BTW, I have always said that Judaism, Christianity and Islam prays to the same God. It's the same damn God throughout those 3 religions!

The only difference is the prophet they follow.

And Jesus seem to be nicest one of the lot. The most decent role model in terms of not promoting violence as a solution to solve problems.

But since all 3 religions follow the same evil God. All of them are following the same evil dude.




Tkman117 -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 6:04:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

No, don't be ridiculous. I'm atheist, didn't you read the part where I said the Christian God is pure evil?

Geez, you didn't even read anything I say to even assume I am a Christian.

Anybody who knows me know I wear this around loud and proud.

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My apologies, I did miss that first time I read it. But my point still stands, groups will always use religion as an excuse to carry out horrible actions in an attempt to secure power. But let's say that one day all religions die out. Realistically it's unlikely, they will most likely just linger in smaller groups or in rural areas like a cult, but I digress. If there was a world without religion, do you think it would stop things like terrorism or uprisings of a group of people? Not likely. If there is the potential for a group of people to gain power and control over others, it doesn't matter what excuse they use, religion or otherwise, they will seize that chance no matter how violent it may be. It just depends on how big of a following they can create. Despite what you want to say Greta, religion is always the excuse, not the reason, that horrible things happen with regards to Muslim terrorists.




Greta75 -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 6:05:01 AM)

Time line is. Jesus kinda came with a more peaceful tone. Muhammad later not happy with Jesus tone, brought back the old testament tone. Jesus exists in Islamic history ya know. Ask Saadia if Jesus exists in Islam. If I am not wrong, you can ask Saadia, Muhammad even criticized Jesus for misleading people that he was the son of God. He was just a prophet of Allah.




BoscoX -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 6:06:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

I'm assuming you're Christian Right?


No, yo're just an ass

Even if Christians "did it too" as the baby's excuse goes, Islam's constantly preaching terrorism, COMMITTING terrorism, Muslims studying their terrorism textbook (aka the Koran) as "liberals" mass import the cult into Europe, Australia and the Americas is still abhorrent and stupid

Suicide by Muslim is always a bad idea




Greta75 -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 6:11:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117
religion is always the excuse, not the reason, that horrible things happen with regards to Muslim terrorists.

So you believe when the jews got gas. Nazism was just the excuse? Not the belief that lead them to doing things like that?




Tkman117 -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 6:12:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

I'm assuming you're Christian Right?


No, yo're just an ass

Even if Christians "did it too" as the baby's excuse goes, Islam's constantly preaching terrorism, COMMITTING terrorism, Muslims studying their terrorism textbook (aka the Koran) as "liberals" mass import the cult into Europe, Australia and the Americas is still abhorrent and stupid

Suicide by Muslim is always a bad idea


Easy there old man, don't get too worked up or you'll hurt yourself with that ad hominem hypocrisy of yours.

So you say Islam is constantly preaching terrorism...when was the last time you had to defend yourself from a Muslim just walking down the street? How come we support middle eastern nations like Egypt and Saudi Arabia? Why aren't we in a full on war with over 1 billion people who are literally butchering out people every single day in every place that a Muslim and white person meet each other? Can't really remember seeing a mob of Muslims walking through Toronto stabbing every white person they see. How many bombings in your home town happened last night? Probably a lot if all those devout Muslims are studying their "terrorist" textbook day in and day out [8|]




Greta75 -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 6:15:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Even if Christians "did it too"

I know, hate that excuse. Next time if I ever commit murder. As an excuse, I am gonna tell the judge. "Muslims did it too!"

It's seriously irrelevant. Especially when Christian and Buddhism got role models who have not participated in war or killed.

As I said, I would call out those Myammar Buddhist where exactly did Buddha ever lead by example pursuing any kind of violent war? Buddha want them to give up all their worldly pleasures and live like a Monk. No luxuries, no sex, abstain from all temptations and emotions of worldly living. That is the key to Nirvana. Not being involved in anything so emotional like being in a war. That is the first step to being reincarnated into a miserable next life! All those Myammar Buddhist who transgress will be deeply punished in their next life and after life. According to the Buddhism.

But of course, it's a religion where everybody goes to hell. So..., I guess, they don't care, they are going to hell anyway.




BoscoX -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 6:17:41 AM)

What's the only thing that keeps Muslims from mass slaughtering everyone else, just as they have been doing for 1,400 years now?

Here's your first clue, punk. This is a taste of the new Paris:

[image]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03164/paris-legionnaires_3164221b.jpg[/image]




Tkman117 -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 6:18:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117
religion is always the excuse, not the reason, that horrible things happen with regards to Muslim terrorists.

So you believe when the jews got gas. Nazism was just the excuse? Not the belief that lead them to doing things like that?


I was going to mention that earlier but I decided against it, so I'll bring it up here. You do realize that the church technically supported the Axis of Power right? Italy was a part of the Axis at the time, and there was quite a lot of Christian faith that went into the Nazi mindset. But in the end, religion wasn't the primary source of their doctrine. In a lot of ways, science was. All that talk of the "superior blue eyed, blond Aryan race" is an example of a group attempting to use science as a reasoning for their desire to rise to power. Just because religion was present during that time, does not mean that it has to be the sole excuse for their actions. It's actually quite a good example of what a terroristic or warring group would look like in a world without religion. Like I said, religion is the excuse, not the reason, and if religion doesn't exist then they will find some other reason.




Greta75 -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 6:22:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117
I was going to mention that earlier but I decided against it, so I'll bring it up here. You do realize that the church technically supported the Axis of Power right? Italy was a part of the Axis at the time, and there was quite a lot of Christian faith that went into the Nazi mindset. But in the end, religion wasn't the primary source of their doctrine. In a lot of ways, science was. All that talk of the "superior blue eyed, blond Aryan race" is an example of a group attempting to use science as a reasoning for their desire to rise to power. Just because religion was present during that time, does not mean that it has to be the sole excuse for their actions. It's actually quite a good example of what a terroristic or warring group would look like in a world without religion. Like I said, religion is the excuse, not the reason, and if religion doesn't exist then they will find some other reason.

The person Muslims are following is a Political Leader, Muhammad. He sold his ideology as a religion when it was all political, what he was doing, he was negotiating treaties with different "countries" and conquering when they "broke treaties", he was a strategist and a warlord. He was smart to mix it with religion. But with him specifically, just like Hitler started Nazism. Muhammad started Islam.




Tkman117 -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 6:24:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

What's the only thing that keeps Muslims from mass slaughtering everyone else?

Here's your first clue, punk. This is a taste of the new Paris:

[image]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03164/paris-legionnaires_3164221b.jpg[/image]


Okay...so what about before that in the 80s? The 90s? There were Muslims there and in America too right? Do the Americans have armed guards everywhere? What about the Muslim soldiers? They have access to weapons, why not just betray the country they were born in and give as many weapons as they can to the "civilian" Muslims? Why doesn't every single Muslim attack every non-Muslim they come across? I mean, they'd just be rewarded in heaven right? What's the big deal if they died? So what if there are soldiers all over France, fuck living if it means heaven and killing infidels right? So tell me Bosco...why haven't we seen every man, woman, and child Muslim pick up a gun, knife, baseball bat, etc. Let me stress the word EVERY, all 1 billion of them. Why haven't we seen them all wage unilateral, all out war on the rest of the world? Why do many of them live as good, honest people like everyone else?




Tkman117 -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 6:29:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117
I was going to mention that earlier but I decided against it, so I'll bring it up here. You do realize that the church technically supported the Axis of Power right? Italy was a part of the Axis at the time, and there was quite a lot of Christian faith that went into the Nazi mindset. But in the end, religion wasn't the primary source of their doctrine. In a lot of ways, science was. All that talk of the "superior blue eyed, blond Aryan race" is an example of a group attempting to use science as a reasoning for their desire to rise to power. Just because religion was present during that time, does not mean that it has to be the sole excuse for their actions. It's actually quite a good example of what a terroristic or warring group would look like in a world without religion. Like I said, religion is the excuse, not the reason, and if religion doesn't exist then they will find some other reason.

The person Muslims are following is a Political Leader, Muhammad. He sold his ideology as a religion when it was all political. He was smart to mix it with religion. But with him specifically, just like Hitler started Nazism. Muhammad started Islam.



Greta you can argue the same about any "prophet" from any holy book. Chances are that these prophets were merely significant people in History and their story was wrapped up in the context of religion. Religion is always political, just look at the middle aged Christian church as an example of an insitution having a large amount of control over a group of people. In a lot of ways it's not much different from the caliphate ISIS is trying to create. But like I said, religion is the excuse, not the reason, the reason is always political. Gaining power, wealth, and control over people. I'll keep saying it until it starts sinking in.




BoscoX -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 6:44:26 AM)


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Again, I am not saying there isn't a problem. There is a real problem with some Muslims who tend to think violence is the only way. And we need eradicate those extremists and extremist ideas. But if you keep pointing fingers instead of realizing the bigger issues at play and work together, there is a better chance of solving these issues than if we keep pointing fingers.


There's also a real problem with Muslims who think that violence isn't the only way, as the tactic of non-violent European Muslims currently is: we're going to come here in number, integrate enough to start changing the laws in our favor, breed enough to have make up and increasingly larger portion of the population, and then, when we've grown enough in numbers, we'll take over Europe.

Muslims, violent or not, are in favor or the eradication of all non-Muslim value systems.
Muslims, violent or not, are in actively working towards taking over other countries, by any means necessary and available.
Muslims, violent or not, actively look down on other cultures.
Muslims, violent or not, have no qualms about lying to, and then betraying, kafirs, making a Muslims' word have no value when dealing with non-Muslims.

I could go on here...

The issue is directly that it's well-established that it's the goal of almost all Muslims to take over the world, infiltrate other countries, and eradicate value systems contrary to their own.
Thus, whether they're an active terrorist, and support or denounce the use of violence to achieve those aims is really besides the point and irrelevant. Even non-terrorist Muslims who support non-violent means of infiltrating and taking over other countries are a direct enemy of the West.

Not all terrorists are Muslims. But Muslims, terrorist or not, almost all are a direct and open threat to Western values.


Great post. Exactly right.




BoscoX -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 6:58:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

What's the only thing that keeps Muslims from mass slaughtering everyone else?

Here's your first clue, punk. This is a taste of the new Paris:

[image]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03164/paris-legionnaires_3164221b.jpg[/image]


Okay...so what about before that in the 80s? The 90s? There were Muslims there and in America too right? Do the Americans have armed guards everywhere? What about the Muslim soldiers? They have access to weapons, why not just betray the country they were born in and give as many weapons as they can to the "civilian" Muslims? Why doesn't every single Muslim attack every non-Muslim they come across? I mean, they'd just be rewarded in heaven right? What's the big deal if they died? So what if there are soldiers all over France, fuck living if it means heaven and killing infidels right? So tell me Bosco...why haven't we seen every man, woman, and child Muslim pick up a gun, knife, baseball bat, etc. Let me stress the word EVERY, all 1 billion of them. Why haven't we seen them all wage unilateral, all out war on the rest of the world? Why do many of them live as good, honest people like everyone else?


Rather than repeat myself (again) - all of your questions were answered in this thread just yesterday:

"It's everywhere. It's constant. It's nonstop."

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DHS chief: If you knew what I knew about terror, you’d ‘never leave the house’

Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly on Friday said the terror threat is worse than most realize, saying some people would "never leave the house" if they knew the truth.

“I was telling [Fox host] Steve [Doocy] on the way in here, if he knew what I knew about terrorism, he’d never leave the house in the morning,” Kelly said on “Fox & Friends.”

He noted there were four major terror attacks in the last week — in England, Egypt, the Philippines and Indonesia — "by generally the same groups."

“It’s everywhere. It’s constant. It’s nonstop. The good news for us in America is we have amazing people protecting us every day. But it can happen here almost anytime.”
Masked gunmen opened fire on a group of Coptic Christians driving to a monastery in southern Egypt on Friday, killing 26 and injuring 25 more.

Full article here


Some estimates of the number of people slaughtered by Muslims so far are as high as 270 million people

I posted in the thread linked above about Muslims declaring jihad against Western powers in WW I, and that they lost. Read the thread before asking any more ignorant questions, tkboy

Fundamentalist Muslims have control of most Islamic states, and are violently fighting for control of those they don't

America's founders had to create a navy to stop Muslims from taking our merchant ships and enslaving their crews along the barbary coast





Tkman117 -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 6:59:00 AM)

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BoscoX -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 7:00:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Awe, poor Bosco, did my last reply shatter your reality so much that you had to go looking a page back to find a post that agreed with your fantasy? I'm still looking forward to a reply to my last post, and I also look forward to seeing what trollish ad hominem you'll choose when you finally do reply [:D]


And remember Ft. Hood




Tkman117 -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 7:03:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

What's the only thing that keeps Muslims from mass slaughtering everyone else?

Here's your first clue, punk. This is a taste of the new Paris:

[image]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03164/paris-legionnaires_3164221b.jpg[/image]


Okay...so what about before that in the 80s? The 90s? There were Muslims there and in America too right? Do the Americans have armed guards everywhere? What about the Muslim soldiers? They have access to weapons, why not just betray the country they were born in and give as many weapons as they can to the "civilian" Muslims? Why doesn't every single Muslim attack every non-Muslim they come across? I mean, they'd just be rewarded in heaven right? What's the big deal if they died? So what if there are soldiers all over France, fuck living if it means heaven and killing infidels right? So tell me Bosco...why haven't we seen every man, woman, and child Muslim pick up a gun, knife, baseball bat, etc. Let me stress the word EVERY, all 1 billion of them. Why haven't we seen them all wage unilateral, all out war on the rest of the world? Why do many of them live as good, honest people like everyone else?


Rather than repeat myself (again) - all of your questions were answered in this thread just yesterday:

"It's everywhere. It's constant. It's nonstop."

quote:

DHS chief: If you knew what I knew about terror, you’d ‘never leave the house’

Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly on Friday said the terror threat is worse than most realize, saying some people would "never leave the house" if they knew the truth.

“I was telling [Fox host] Steve [Doocy] on the way in here, if he knew what I knew about terrorism, he’d never leave the house in the morning,” Kelly said on “Fox & Friends.”

He noted there were four major terror attacks in the last week — in England, Egypt, the Philippines and Indonesia — "by generally the same groups."

“It’s everywhere. It’s constant. It’s nonstop. The good news for us in America is we have amazing people protecting us every day. But it can happen here almost anytime.”
Masked gunmen opened fire on a group of Coptic Christians driving to a monastery in southern Egypt on Friday, killing 26 and injuring 25 more.

Full article here


Some estimates of the number of people slaughtered by Muslims so far are as high as 270 million people

I posted in the thread linked above about Muslims declaring jihad against Western powers in WW I, and that they lost. Read the thread before asking any more ignorant questions, tkboy

Fundamentalist Muslims have control of most Islamic states, and are violently fighting for control of those they don't

America's founders had to create a navy to stop Muslims from taking our merchant ships and enslaving their crews along the barbary coast



So then how come he Muslim guy at the restaurant yesterday didn't attack me? How come I wasn't murdered in Highschool by my best friend? All Muslims are terrorists right? They're all fundamentalists according to you, correct? Not one of them is like us. None of them want to live without conflict, they don't want to make money, have a lovely dinner, or do anything normal right? They're the only villains in the world, while every other person and every other crime or attack or murder is simply irresistible. I don't see crowds of Muslims here in Canada killing people day in and day out. Seems like your little make believe world is just that.

Btw I love the hypocritical ad hominem attacks. "Tkboy," yeah that's real original old man. For someone who seems to hate trolls, you seem to emulate them quite well. Might even get an oscar for the performance [:D]




BoscoX -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 7:05:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

So then how come he Muslim guy at the restaurant yesterday not attack me? How come I wasn't murdered in Highschool by my bests friend? All Muslims are terrorists right? They're all fundamentalists according to you, correct? Not one of them is like us. None of them want to live without conflict, they don't want to make money, have a lovely dinner, or do anything normal right? They're the o my villains in the world, while every other person and every other crime or attack or murder is simply irresistible. I don't see crowds of Muslims here in Canada killing people day in and day out. Seems like your little make believe is just that.

Btw I love the hypocritical ad hominem attacks. "Tkboy," yeah that's real original old man. For someone who seems to hate trolls, you seem to emulate them quite well. Might even get an oscar for the performance [:D]


Again, read that thread before asking your ignorant questions that I already answered just yesterday




Tkman117 -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 7:08:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

So then how come he Muslim guy at the restaurant yesterday not attack me? How come I wasn't murdered in Highschool by my bests friend? All Muslims are terrorists right? They're all fundamentalists according to you, correct? Not one of them is like us. None of them want to live without conflict, they don't want to make money, have a lovely dinner, or do anything normal right? They're the o my villains in the world, while every other person and every other crime or attack or murder is simply irresistible. I don't see crowds of Muslims here in Canada killing people day in and day out. Seems like your little make believe is just that.

Btw I love the hypocritical ad hominem attacks. "Tkboy," yeah that's real original old man. For someone who seems to hate trolls, you seem to emulate them quite well. Might even get an oscar for the performance [:D]


Again, read that thread before asking your ignorant questions that I already answered just yesterday



Oh I did read that thread. And nowhere did it say that 1 billion people are waging all out war simultaneously and in a coordinated matter. There weren't millions of westerners killed in attacks. Entire nations aren't on the brink of collapse here in the west. So either their efforts are really half assed, or it's not happening in the real world despite your imaginations. Hmm, which one could it be...[8|]




BoscoX -> RE: The criticism of Trump Ramadan Message (5/29/2017 7:16:35 AM)

You threw a baby fit about UllrsIshtar's post but she had your answers as well

I find it amusing how you throw your little tantrums about ad hominems while using them constantly

Speaks more about your juvenile little mindset than anything anyone else ever could

Finally, since the time of Mohammad, Muslims have waited until their numbers were sufficient before mass murdering everyone else

Which they have done time and again. Anyone who really knows history is painfully aware of the mass slaughter, to the tune of hundreds of millions dead

Many more enslaved, women and children used as sex slaves and men slaughtered outright or castrated and made into male slaves

Their suicide attacks are relatively new, but are fast catching on.

How did you enjoy your last trip through the airport? That is us adapting to them coming here




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