Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

Introverted Countries


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> Introverted Countries Page: [1] 2   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Introverted Countries - 5/28/2017 7:41:40 PM   
tamaka


Posts: 5079
Status: offline 		I am reading Quiet by Susan Cain. She mentions that Finland is the most introverted country in the world. I thought that was interesting and immediately thought of the idea they have of giving everyone an allowance. I wonder whether being a nation of introverts effects your politics etc? Anyways, i googled this list of most introverted countries. I thought it was interesting.


https://lonerwolf.com/most-introverted-countries-in-the-world/
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/28/2017 7:55:49 PM   
Greta75


Posts: 9968
Joined: 2/6/2011
Status: offline 		I am thinking about how the article says Japan rewards introverted people.

Basically Japan rewards people who don't speak out and just timidly follows and obey.

Not sure if that is rewarding introverts.

(in reply to tamaka)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 5:19:48 AM   
WhoreMods


Posts: 10691
Joined: 5/6/2016
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

I am thinking about how the article says Japan rewards introverted people.

Basically Japan rewards people who don't speak out and just timidly follows and obey.

Not sure if that is rewarding introverts.

I'm dubious that the Japanese are that introverted, particularly given that what you're dismissing sounds more like honouring the social contract than introversion. I don't think that this

or this

or this

are really that indicative of an innately introverted society are they?

_____________________________

On the level and looking for a square deal.

(in reply to Greta75)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 5:38:23 AM   
Greta75


Posts: 9968
Joined: 2/6/2011
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
I'm dubious that the Japanese are that introverted, particularly given that what you're dismissing sounds more like honouring the social contract than introversion.

You should try to work for Japanese company. It's terrible. Seriously like old evil Japan back to life.


(in reply to WhoreMods)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 5:50:26 AM   
WhoreMods


Posts: 10691
Joined: 5/6/2016
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75


quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
I'm dubious that the Japanese are that introverted, particularly given that what you're dismissing sounds more like honouring the social contract than introversion.

You should try to work for Japanese company. It's terrible. Seriously like old evil Japan back to life.



Again, I'm dubious that has anything to do with introversion, more economics.
Are you defining the old evil Japan as the military imperialist model from the late thirties and early forties, or the financial expansionist model that ran a huge chunk of southeast Asia during the '80s? If it's the latter, China has a very shitty reputation for its treatment of foreign employees working outside of the country as well, and are probably employing a lot more factory workers elsewhere than japanese firms are these days.

_____________________________

On the level and looking for a square deal.

(in reply to Greta75)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 6:29:32 AM   
Greta75


Posts: 9968
Joined: 2/6/2011
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
China has a very shitty reputation for its treatment of foreign employees working outside of the country as well, and are probably employing a lot more factory workers elsewhere than japanese firms are these days.

Japanese firm have a shitty reputation for how they treat their own fellow Japanese.
They treat foreign and their own precisely the same. Treat them less than human.

Yes I've never denied China is evil. Just look at their history, they could not get it together as a country for such a long time because of so much infighting for power with each other. Finally today they got their shit together, but still trying to oppress Hong Kong and Taiwan. And they threaten us Singapore all the time, because we are Chinese and they expect us to be 100% on their side for all things, the whole One China thingy, they want us to be a part of it, when we are practically against them about everything! And fortunately, they don't got history the way they got with Hong Kong and Taiwan to have any power to say we belong to them. But we support Hong Kong and Taiwan oppositions who are against One China.

China sees US as their enemy honestly and often accuse Singapore of being traitors by having a good relationship with US. Even our PM always gotta remind China that we may be Chinese but we are two different countries with different belief system and we are just different. We can't adhere to their way of things. We built our own society, just like Taiwan built their own society. That is about more progress.

I mean, come on! Taiwan, voted for their Female President, and then legalise gay marriage. That's a forward country! Doesn't deserve China to keep threatening to take them by force.

Seriously on the chinese countries side of things. Taiwan is doing all preparation to defend themselves against China military invasion. They are prepared to fight to defend their independence. I wonder if it will ever come to war in this region for that situation. It depends on how long China is willing tolerate their defiance.

< Message edited by Greta75 -- 5/29/2017 6:37:45 AM >

(in reply to WhoreMods)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 6:56:53 AM   
WhoreMods


Posts: 10691
Joined: 5/6/2016
Status: offline 		Isn't China's biggest issue with Taiwan that the Taiwanese government has been claiming to be the true Chinese government in exile since China was taken over by Mao's lot? Unlike Hong Kong, I don't think Taiwan was set up as a foreign trading port by a Chinese government. I'm pretty sure it started off as a Japanese colony and was seized by the non communist "Chinese" government when they were forced to flee mainland China after losing the civil war. Given that, it's hardly surprising that there are elements of the Chinese government who find Taiwan's mere existence embarrassing and annoying, and want to acquire it. They'd probably feel the same way even if Taiwan wasn't desirable as an economic asset, which it very obviously is.

_____________________________

On the level and looking for a square deal.

(in reply to Greta75)
Profile   Post #: 7
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 11:23:28 AM   
Greta75


Posts: 9968
Joined: 2/6/2011
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Isn't China's biggest issue with Taiwan that the Taiwanese government has been claiming to be the true Chinese government in exile since China was taken over by Mao's lot?

I don't think Taiwan is antagonising China at all by claiming to be the "True Chinese Government".
I think they just want to be recognized as a country on their own and carry on and be truly independent of China.

And even if they claim that, it's petty of China to give a shit.

(in reply to WhoreMods)
Profile   Post #: 8
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 1:20:32 PM   
MercTech


Posts: 3706
Joined: 7/4/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

I am thinking about how the article says Japan rewards introverted people.

Basically Japan rewards people who don't speak out and just timidly follows and obey.

Not sure if that is rewarding introverts.


The attitude that "A nail that sticks up is beaten down." is very prevalent in Japan. You don't stand out in a visible way as that is very a social faux pas. Quietly working yourself into insanity trying to attain academic excellence is expected. But the way they score traditional archery shows more of the attitude towards sports; you get scored higher for perfect form than for hitting the center of the target.

... an impression from many port calls in Yokosuka back in the 80s. BTW, I like the Japanese MacDonald's... 14 different fish sandwiches and a very very overpriced Big Mac.

(in reply to Greta75)
Profile   Post #: 9
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 2:18:19 PM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline 		Yeah, the samurai were well-known for their timidity.

(in reply to MercTech)
Profile   Post #: 10
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 2:38:55 PM   
tamaka


Posts: 5079
Status: offline 		You shouldn't confuse timid/shy with introversion. They are two different things.

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 11
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 2:40:55 PM   
tamaka


Posts: 5079
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

I am thinking about how the article says Japan rewards introverted people.

Basically Japan rewards people who don't speak out and just timidly follows and obey.

Not sure if that is rewarding introverts.

I'm dubious that the Japanese are that introverted, particularly given that what you're dismissing sounds more like honouring the social contract than introversion. I don't think that this

or this

or this

are really that indicative of an innately introverted society are they?



Do you think that a picture of a few odd people represents their society as a whole? Geeze.

(in reply to WhoreMods)
Profile   Post #: 12
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 3:22:07 PM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

You shouldn't confuse timid/shy with introversion. They are two different things.

Yeah. The samurai were introverts.

Okie dokie. I'm gonna let you talk to the nice doctor now.

(in reply to tamaka)
Profile   Post #: 13
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 3:43:05 PM   
tamaka


Posts: 5079
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

You shouldn't confuse timid/shy with introversion. They are two different things.

Yeah. The samurai were introverts.

Okie dokie. I'm gonna let you talk to the nice doctor now.



MM... the doctor said to remind you to make your follow up appointment soon.

And yes, Samurai could be introverts. Read up:

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2008/09/14/the-bushido-code-the-eight-virtues-of-the-samurai/

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 14
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 3:46:11 PM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline 		I don't think you know what introvert means.

Poised and balanced, with a clear mind, isn't the same.

Play this ridiculous semantics game with someone else.

(in reply to tamaka)
Profile   Post #: 15
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 3:48:02 PM   
tamaka


Posts: 5079
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I don't think you know what introvert means.

Poised and balanced, with a clear mind, isn't the same.

Play this ridiculous semantics game with someone else.



You always say that when you are wrong.

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 16
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 5:09:03 PM   
Wayward5oul


Posts: 3314
Joined: 11/9/2014
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I don't think you know what introvert means.

Poised and balanced, with a clear mind, isn't the same.

Play this ridiculous semantics game with someone else.

In this instance, the OP has a point. Introversion and timidness/shyness are not the same things.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-introverts-corner/200910/introversion-vs-shyness-the-discussion-continues
"Though in popular media they're often viewed as the same, we know in the scientific community that, conceptually or empirically, they're unrelated," Schmidt says.

The two get confused because they both are related to socializing-but lack of interest in socializing is very clearly not the same as fearing it.


(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 17
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 6:47:48 PM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline 		And again, the semantics here is not the point.

You two have fun with your introverted samurai.


(in reply to Wayward5oul)
Profile   Post #: 18
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 8:14:22 PM   
Greta75


Posts: 9968
Joined: 2/6/2011
Status: offline 		FR

Can an extrovert be timid and shy? How?

The point of introversion is being around people stresses you up. Which for me, I always need a huge break from being around people as it drains the energy out of me and I need a humongous amounts of time alone. Even when I thought I was having a great time, I still need rest from having a great time with people I enjoy the company of. IT drains the crap outta me, like humans are energy sucking leeches!

The internet has been a great place for introverted people like me because we can hang out at places without the physical presence of another human being but still have dialogue. It's for me, literally the physical presence that drains me.

And extroverts gains energy from being around people.

And as an introvert if i fight for my rights and assert my view, and I am not talking about online, but in real life. It takes alot of courage, because the energy to do that is absolutely draining. It's much more chill to just keep quiet on one corner and don't do anything about it.

But I just got this personal sense of justice where if things are not right, I gotta do something. And that forces me to get over the timid and shyness to express myself. I appear to be outspoken and extroverted in real life to many Asian people who are timid and quiet and will never express how they feel. But the only difference between me and them is, I got strong beliefs about certain things that the desire to fight for those beliefs are very very strong that it helps me get over my fear.

But in most Japanese and Chinese companies, speaking your mind or challenging your boss means losing your job or becoming public enemy number 1. It is a huge risk but I guess being a single person with no dependent, I have no fear of that. People with families may really need the job and can't speak out.


< Message edited by Greta75 -- 5/29/2017 8:29:42 PM >

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 19
RE: Introverted Countries - 5/29/2017 8:52:26 PM   
tamaka


Posts: 5079
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

FR

Can an extrovert be timid and shy? How?

The point of introversion is being around people stresses you up.



Nope.

(in reply to Greta75)
Profile   Post #: 20
Page:   [1] 2   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> Introverted Countries Page: [1] 2   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.109