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How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as Fake ... - 6/3/2017 4:59:34 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		There's an interesting piece in the NY Times:

How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as Fake Science

It focuses on the step by step process (including Democrats) that led to the current state.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/us/politics/republican-leaders-climate-change.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/3/2017 10:19:20 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		I don't need the article, I can tell you.

Because it can't be proven.

It cannot be proven except by a double blind study, and we don't have an identical spare planet to which to compare. this is all models, like economic models. See where that got us ?

And don't give me that they are religious, they are not. they want rid of abortion but still want those D&Cs when their daughters get knocked up. They are against homosexuality until their sons come out of the closet. All the religion bullshit is just to get votes.

i will say this, there is no way that us burning everything in sight is cooling the place off, and indeed it is emitting CO2. However it is quite possible this was going to happen anyway, they cannot disprove that.

And that is why I am against dismantling what little of an economy we got left because of it. Cripple industry some more and there won't be any fucking money to even think about a solution. The fact is there is nothing we can do about it.

I remember the CFC scare, the new ice age scare, the Y2K scare. The CFC scare had more solid evidence than the AGW scare.

And the NYT can go fuck off. Anything from New York can go fuck off.

T^T

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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/3/2017 11:48:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		why dont you try a few facts for a change?
we have had increased solar iiradiance to the tune of .05% per decade which means we get a corresonding increase in temperature mans role is insignificant as the planet eco system self adjusts (regulates) for carbon dioxide et al all by itself. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2017/scientists-propose-mechanism-to-describe-solar-eruptions-of-all-sizes

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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 12:23:29 AM   
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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 12:28:53 AM   
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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 3:43:53 AM   
Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I don't need the article, I can tell you.

Because it can't be proven.

It cannot be proven except by a double blind study, and we don't have an identical spare planet to which to compare. this is all models, like economic models. See where that got us ?

And don't give me that they are religious, they are not. they want rid of abortion but still want those D&Cs when their daughters get knocked up. They are against homosexuality until their sons come out of the closet. All the religion bullshit is just to get votes.

i will say this, there is no way that us burning everything in sight is cooling the place off, and indeed it is emitting CO2. However it is quite possible this was going to happen anyway, they cannot disprove that.

And that is why I am against dismantling what little of an economy we got left because of it. Cripple industry some more and there won't be any fucking money to even think about a solution. The fact is there is nothing we can do about it.

I remember the CFC scare, the new ice age scare, the Y2K scare. The CFC scare had more solid evidence than the AGW scare.

And the NYT can go fuck off. Anything from New York can go fuck off.

T^T

Actually it seems that you don't need any information. You just put your fingers in your ears and loudly say LA LA LA LA LA LA LA until the magic and superstition of science seems like nonsense and then post nonfactual opinions like you have here.
;-)

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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 3:50:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

why dont you try a few facts for a change?
we have had increased solar iiradiance to the tune of .05% per decade which means we get a corresonding increase in temperature mans role is insignificant as the planet eco system self adjusts (regulates) for carbon dioxide et al all by itself. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2017/scientists-propose-mechanism-to-describe-solar-eruptions-of-all-sizes


Where in that article does it say that the sun is causing climate change?
If you're so keen on bringing facts into the discussion, you should probably be sure that they actually prove the point you're trying to make.

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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 3:53:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I don't need the article, I can tell you.

Because it can't be proven.

It cannot be proven except by a double blind study, and we don't have an identical spare planet to which to compare. this is all models, like economic models. See where that got us ?

And don't give me that they are religious, they are not. they want rid of abortion but still want those D&Cs when their daughters get knocked up. They are against homosexuality until their sons come out of the closet. All the religion bullshit is just to get votes.

i will say this, there is no way that us burning everything in sight is cooling the place off, and indeed it is emitting CO2. However it is quite possible this was going to happen anyway, they cannot disprove that.

And that is why I am against dismantling what little of an economy we got left because of it. Cripple industry some more and there won't be any fucking money to even think about a solution. The fact is there is nothing we can do about it.

I remember the CFC scare, the new ice age scare, the Y2K scare. The CFC scare had more solid evidence than the AGW scare.

And the NYT can go fuck off. Anything from New York can go fuck off.

T^T

Actually it seems that you don't need any information. You just put your fingers in your ears and loudly say LA LA LA LA LA LA LA until the magic and superstition of science seems like nonsense and then post nonfactual opinions like you have here.
;-)


No, see... it's important to not cripple the oil and gas industry... it's all we have left.
Crippling alternative energy is okay.

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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 4:07:52 AM   
Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: LadyDemura

Because the oil companies that pay for their campaigns would be disadvantaged if it were known their product hurt the environment.

It's not just the oil companies, it's the coal and auto industries as well as many other big businesses and their products are already known to hurt the environment but the politicians are just paid to look the other way just like they were paid to look the other way for tobacco for so many years.

The big difference is that although tobacco harms and kills many, an individual can just stop smoking but with the environment, if an individual stops using oil and coal and autos and pesticides etc, it's a little like putting a penny in front of a steamroller, just a waste of the effort because the steamroller won't even notice it let alone slow it down.

To make any kind of a difference the whole world has to get on board but Good ol' Trump just got off and it looks like he's looking speed up climate change rather than slowing it down or stopping it, seeing as it "doesn't exist" anyway.

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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 4:24:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker


quote:

ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I don't need the article, I can tell you.

Because it can't be proven.

It cannot be proven except by a double blind study, and we don't have an identical spare planet to which to compare. this is all models, like economic models. See where that got us ?

And don't give me that they are religious, they are not. they want rid of abortion but still want those D&Cs when their daughters get knocked up. They are against homosexuality until their sons come out of the closet. All the religion bullshit is just to get votes.

i will say this, there is no way that us burning everything in sight is cooling the place off, and indeed it is emitting CO2. However it is quite possible this was going to happen anyway, they cannot disprove that.

And that is why I am against dismantling what little of an economy we got left because of it. Cripple industry some more and there won't be any fucking money to even think about a solution. The fact is there is nothing we can do about it.

I remember the CFC scare, the new ice age scare, the Y2K scare. The CFC scare had more solid evidence than the AGW scare.

And the NYT can go fuck off. Anything from New York can go fuck off.

T^T

Actually it seems that you don't need any information. You just put your fingers in your ears and loudly say LA LA LA LA LA LA LA until the magic and superstition of science seems like nonsense and then post nonfactual opinions like you have here.
;-)


No, see... it's important to not cripple the oil and gas industry... it's all we have left.
Crippling alternative energy is okay.

Yep, all that bleeding heart hippie mumbo jumbo alternative energy just catches fire and should be done away with anyway.
;-)

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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 4:50:31 AM   
bounty44


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Status: offline 		not the least bit tempted to read the article because, given its source and the person who posted it, im pretty confident the premise is "us right/you wrong"

what that does is it takes the "fingers in the ears and going lalalalalalala" position and turns it right on its head. the left are the ones doing that.

that brings to mind one of my favorite phrases when it comes to observing the behaviors and attitudes of lefties: smug pompous asses.

and i'll add a variant of what aylee is fond of saying; if you believe humanity is a problem as concerns global warming, do something about it YOURSELF.

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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 5:07:31 AM   
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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 6:06:05 AM   
Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

not the least bit tempted to read the article because, given its source and the person who posted it, im pretty confident the premise is "us right/you wrong"

what that does is it takes the "fingers in the ears and going lalalalalalala" position and turns it right on its head. the left are the ones doing that.

that brings to mind one of my favorite phrases when it comes to observing the behaviors and attitudes of lefties: smug pompous asses.

and i'll add a variant of what aylee is fond of saying; if you believe humanity is a problem as concerns global warming, do something about it YOURSELF.


Well, you'd be wrong. How smug and pompous is that?

Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. Bliss out.

It *is* and interesting chronology, and Democrats don't get a pass.

And, I do quite a bit about it, so wrong again.

Projection city over here.

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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 6:07:17 AM   
Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I don't need the article, I can tell you.

Because it can't be proven.

It cannot be proven except by a double blind study, and we don't have an identical spare planet to which to compare. this is all models, like economic models. See where that got us ?

And don't give me that they are religious, they are not. they want rid of abortion but still want those D&Cs when their daughters get knocked up. They are against homosexuality until their sons come out of the closet. All the religion bullshit is just to get votes.

i will say this, there is no way that us burning everything in sight is cooling the place off, and indeed it is emitting CO2. However it is quite possible this was going to happen anyway, they cannot disprove that.

And that is why I am against dismantling what little of an economy we got left because of it. Cripple industry some more and there won't be any fucking money to even think about a solution. The fact is there is nothing we can do about it.

I remember the CFC scare, the new ice age scare, the Y2K scare. The CFC scare had more solid evidence than the AGW scare.

And the NYT can go fuck off. Anything from New York can go fuck off.

T^T

Well, no, turns out you actually do need to read the article.

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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 6:52:08 AM   
WickedsDesire


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Status: offline 		Yet when Mr. Trump pulled the United States from the Paris accord, the Senate majority leader, the speaker of the House and every member of the elected Republican leadership were united in their praise.

Scary isn’t it and they all tweeted that too the Great Satan.

So, its all a plot by Evil Corp pushing the out a couple of rubbish debunked papers, and funding websites, funding scientists, funding politicians campaigns, to push forth that agenda.

Eg Exxon
The ExxonMobil climate change controversy is the controversy around ExxonMobil's activities related to climate change, especially their promotion of climate change denial. Since the 1970s, ExxonMobil engaged in research, lobbying, advertising, and grant making, some of which were conducted with the purpose of delaying widespread acceptance and action on global warming.

From the late 1970s and through the 1980s, Exxon funded internal and university collaborations, broadly in line with the developing public scientific approach. After the 1980s, the company was a leader in climate change denial, opposing regulations to curtail global warming. ExxonMobil funded organizations critical of the Kyoto Protocol and seeking to undermine public opinion about the scientific consensus that global warming is caused by the burning of fossil fuels. Exxon helped to found and lead the Global Climate Coalition of businesses opposed to the regulation of greenhouse gas emissions.

ExxonMobil was a significant influence in preventing ratification of the Kyoto Protocol by the United States

31 May 2017 Exxon shareholders back 'historic' vote on climate

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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 6:58:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I don't need the article, I can tell you.

Because it can't be proven.

It cannot be proven except by a double blind study, and we don't have an identical spare planet to which to compare. this is all models, like economic models.
Double-blind studies are used to remove experimenter bias and eliminate the possibility of the experimenter's interaction with the subject modifying the outcome.

Since the Earth's climate is not sentient, this is unnecessary.

Education time. Nothing can be proven. Ever. However science can produce models which predict the future. The ability to predict the future validates the inherent usefulness of the model.

So, all climate science has to do is come up with a model which accurately predicts future temperature variations. This is difficult, but not impossible.

The problem is that resistance to global warming is either religious - as in the case of pretty much every climate science denier here - or tainted by self-interest - as in the case of every piece of shit GOP politician.

Global warming is a social problem, not a scientific one. It's a social problem because the majority of people are stupid and selfish. And GOP politicians are particularly stupid, particularly selfish and particularly fucking corrupt.

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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 7:14:00 AM   
WickedsDesire


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what sources would you accept dogsbreath44, bathroom wall graffiti?


notice the tongue action, fair polishes up those restroom lavy bowls to a gleaming sheen.

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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 7:15:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44

not the least bit tempted to read the article because, given its source and the person who posted it, im pretty confident the premise is "us right/you wrong"

what that does is it takes the "fingers in the ears and going lalalalalalala" position and turns it right on its head. the left are the ones doing that.

that brings to mind one of my favorite phrases when it comes to observing the behaviors and attitudes of lefties: smug pompous asses.

and i'll add a variant of what aylee is fond of saying; if you believe humanity is a problem as concerns global warming, do something about it YOURSELF.


What a close minded fool, yep, don't read anything that might disagree with your alt-facts.

Shoot, I even read the "Bratbart" articles just in case there might be some small modicum of truth or fact in them.

Talk of "smug pompous asses", your post here pretty much defines that you are one.

And as I have already pointed out, as an individual all my doing something about it amounts to almost nothing when compared to about 7 billion idiots like you doing all you can to turn the Earth into a sewer and saying; "I don't smell anything".
;-)

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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 7:35:11 AM   
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Status: online 		The New York Times is nonstop propaganda 24/7. Thinking people see right through it the same way we see through Al Gore and his 1970's TV preacher "Repent - The End Is Near" gig.

All of the Dear Leaders of the Doom and Gloom club ride in stretch limousines and use private jets to fly around the globe to their swanky conferences that they could telecommute to. They live in vast air conditioned mansions, with heated swimming pools and armed guards. Many have more than one

Hysterical predictions were made, and they all failed to materialize. Scandals among the pseudoscientists are infamous, with data being changed and bureaucrats leading the propaganda war, while leftists refuse to acknowledge that reality when the proof is in black and white in their faces

The cultish scam is about promoting the new world order, with the haves getting it all and the have nots getting screwed out of their money, their jobs, their votes, and their affordable energy (and everything that affordable energy provides).

Useful idiots like you are always the last to finally figure it out, too - though it is all very simple and obvious.



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RE: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as F... - 6/4/2017 8:09:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think you will find out Exxon took out some nice spreads in the New York Times saying global warming was a bunch of lying incompetent cuntery like someoneboscox whoever that non entity is

pseudo-scientists wtf has someone given Boscox a dictionary - you were supposed to beat him with it not shove it up so far up his arse words would start to spill from his flappy gob.

The only person manipulating data is your leader and evil corp now run along troll.

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