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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I don't need the article, I can tell you.

Because it can't be proven.

It cannot be proven except by a double blind study, and we don't have an identical spare planet to which to compare. this is all models, like economic models. See where that got us ?

And don't give me that they are religious, they are not. they want rid of abortion but still want those D&Cs when their daughters get knocked up. They are against homosexuality until their sons come out of the closet. All the religion bullshit is just to get votes.

i will say this, there is no way that us burning everything in sight is cooling the place off, and indeed it is emitting CO2. However it is quite possible this was going to happen anyway, they cannot disprove that.

And that is why I am against dismantling what little of an economy we got left because of it. Cripple industry some more and there won't be any fucking money to even think about a solution. The fact is there is nothing we can do about it.

I remember the CFC scare, the new ice age scare, the Y2K scare. The CFC scare had more solid evidence than the AGW scare.

And the NYT can go fuck off. Anything from New York can go fuck off.

T^T

Well, no, turns out you actually do need to read the article.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

Has this ever actually happened with him?
If so, do you ever get the impression that information has been correctly interpreted and/or retained?

I haven't seen it.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
So, all climate science has to do is come up with a model which accurately predicts future temperature variations. This is difficult, but not impossible.

The problem is that resistance to global warming is either religious - as in the case of pretty much every climate science denier here - or tainted by self-interest - as in the case of every piece of shit GOP politician.

Global warming is a social problem, not a scientific one. It's a social problem because the majority of people are stupid and selfish. And GOP politicians are particularly stupid, particularly selfish and particularly fucking corrupt.

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ORIGINAL: InfoMan

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
So, all climate science has to do is come up with a model which accurately predicts future temperature variations. This is difficult, but not impossible.

The problem is that resistance to global warming is either religious - as in the case of pretty much every climate science denier here - or tainted by self-interest - as in the case of every piece of shit GOP politician.

Global warming is a social problem, not a scientific one. It's a social problem because the majority of people are stupid and selfish. And GOP politicians are particularly stupid, particularly selfish and particularly fucking corrupt.

Which they have been incapable of doing. Even the most robust models which have predictions which are rather close have enough holes in them to be considered Inconclusive from a scientific perspective.

The problem with global warming avocation is that it is either unscientific - in the case of pretty much every 'Consensus' propagator here - or tainted by insecurity - as in the case of every Democrat politician.

Global Warming is a social problem, not a scientific one. It is a social problem because those that believe have sensationalized it to the point that any sort of disagreement is met with overwhelming aggression. And Democrats are more then willing to pass blanket laws that don't actually do anything except oppress the people just for a social cause.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

not the least bit tempted to read the article because, given its source and the person who posted it, im pretty confident the premise is "us right/you wrong"

what that does is it takes the "fingers in the ears and going lalalalalalala" position and turns it right on its head. the left are the ones doing that.

that brings to mind one of my favorite phrases when it comes to observing the behaviors and attitudes of lefties: smug pompous asses.

and i'll add a variant of what aylee is fond of saying; if you believe humanity is a problem as concerns global warming, do something about it YOURSELF.

What a close minded fool, yep, don't read anything that might disagree with your alt-facts...

Talk of "smug pompous asses", your post here pretty much defines that you are one.

...7 billion idiots like you doing all you can to turn the Earth into a sewer and saying; "I don't smell anything".

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

dont kid yourself, they can be bought off for a blowjob

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

why dont you try a few facts for a change?
we have had increased solar iiradiance to the tune of .05% per decade which means we get a corresonding increase in temperature mans role is insignificant as the planet eco system self adjusts (regulates) for carbon dioxide et al all by itself. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2017/scientists-propose-mechanism-to-describe-solar-eruptions-of-all-sizes

Where in that article does it say that the sun is causing climate change?
If you're so keen on bringing facts into the discussion, you should probably be sure that they actually prove the point you're trying to make.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

There's an interesting piece in the NY Times:

How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as Fake Science

It focuses on the step by step process (including Democrats) that led to the current state.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/us/politics/republican-leaders-climate-change.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43

All the hand wringing by KoolAid drinkers about us all dropping into poverty if we don't keep ruining Earth is more working class idiots swallowing the propaganda of a few ill-intentioned 1% business tycoons. No honest 'magnate' sees much besides opportunities in the move to sustainable energy. Costs of sustainable energy are in almost free fall now, emerging battery technology looks to solve the remaining issues moving from large scale carbon based energy grids to sustainable distributed energy. Those with difficult to transition market positions (Koch Bros) are spending large on keeping the discussion obfuscated, in exactly the same way Big Tobacco, Big Pharm and Big Ag keep public US discussion irrelevant to current states of knowledge. (Leading to the observation that, Yes, US voters are Thick) The real problem for working people is the fast build up of robot and AI capabilities making human bodies redundant for so much of current economic activity. Even if Coal found a truly clean combustion technology, all the mine jobs are Gone, mechanization already killed those before the Gas industry blossomed from Fracking. No new mines are envisioned, they just push a mountain top off into the next valley (Sorry folks, nothing personal, it's just Business), scrape up the exposed layer of coal, and let the people downstream deal with a few centuries of pollution destroying that watershed for most sustainable use. Exactly the problem the Obama stream destruction regs were intended to remedy, saving Appalachia for actual human use, by people who love the area, and see past working in dead end jobs for hit and run business interests. And the first major deregulation by the Combover. Tourism is already employing far more than Coal ever did, and it's a Sustainable income for whole communities.
Along with the other running dogs here for major Capitalists (Marx got at least one thing right), someone who completely misunderstands how Science can Never PROVE ANYTHING, only disprove hypotheses, calling himself Infoman, just deepens the black humor that passes for informed discussion in the USA.
Any real student of discussions on CFCs, and the resulting treaties, just shakes their head at the idiocy and blatant lies here about one of the more effective political responses to an emerging disaster (Destruction of the Ozone Layer) to try to redirect attention from real and practical responses to the larger current issue, technical urban civilization making the planet's human carrying capacity drop precipitously in the foreseeable future. This has manifold issues needing solutions, Climate Change is only one. The continued population boom is the unspoken Elephant in the room, it's solution has to be found This generation, or it gets dealt with by the 4 Horsemen.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

not the least bit tempted to read the article because, given its source and the person who posted it, im pretty confident the premise is "us right/you wrong"

what that does is it takes the "fingers in the ears and going lalalalalalala" position and turns it right on its head. the left are the ones doing that.

that brings to mind one of my favorite phrases when it comes to observing the behaviors and attitudes of lefties: smug pompous asses.

and i'll add a variant of what aylee is fond of saying; if you believe humanity is a problem as concerns global warming, do something about it YOURSELF.

What a close minded fool, yep, don't read anything that might disagree with your alt-facts...

Talk of "smug pompous asses", your post here pretty much defines that you are one.

...7 billion idiots like you doing all you can to turn the Earth into a sewer and saying; "I don't smell anything".

a number of things:

one, you have no idea what I read/don't read.

two, after 999 times in a row of people and their literature behaving in a particular way, I am neither "foolish" nor "smug" to expect the 1000th time to be the same.

third, given what you wrote, youre seemingly not even capable of understanding how/why it is I used the phrase "smug pompous ass" and are more interested in defending your supposed moral and intellectual superiority as opposed to understanding.

forth, you have no idea how I live my life in relationship to environmental and resource stewardship.

given all that, see again the phrase "smug pompous ass"

lastly---as concerns my edited version of your comments to me. fuck you.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
So, the article isn't about the existence or not of climate change. It's about the gradual shift in politics and how the Democratic and Republican food fight backed them into a corner.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

There's an interesting piece in the NY Times:

How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as Fake Science

It focuses on the step by step process (including Democrats) that led to the current state.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/us/politics/republican-leaders-climate-change.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

It cannot have anything to do with their predictions never coming true, right?

How about the fact that energy creation that would reduce pollution and CO2 is ignored, like nuclear?

Why wasn't the Paris agreement ratified?

Did you know that we actually accomplished Kyoto's goals without ratifying it?

When was the last time a Freedom of Information Act request and court date set was needed to pry information out of say. . . an astronomer?

Naw. I will believe AGW is a crisis when the people telling me it is a crisis start acting like it is a crisis.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

not the least bit tempted to read the article because, given its source and the person who posted it, im pretty confident the premise is "us right/you wrong"

what that does is it takes the "fingers in the ears and going lalalalalalala" position and turns it right on its head. the left are the ones doing that.

that brings to mind one of my favorite phrases when it comes to observing the behaviors and attitudes of lefties: smug pompous asses.

and i'll add a variant of what aylee is fond of saying; if you believe humanity is a problem as concerns global warming, do something about it YOURSELF.

What a close minded fool, yep, don't read anything that might disagree with your alt-facts...

Talk of "smug pompous asses", your post here pretty much defines that you are one.

...7 billion idiots like you doing all you can to turn the Earth into a sewer and saying; "I don't smell anything".

a number of things:

one, you have no idea what I read/don't read.

two, after 999 times in a row of people and their literature behaving in a particular way, I am neither "foolish" nor "smug" to expect the 1000th time to be the same.

third, given what you wrote, youre seemingly not even capable of understanding how/why it is I used the phrase "smug pompous ass" and are more interested in defending your supposed moral and intellectual superiority as opposed to understanding.

forth, you have no idea how I live my life in relationship to environmental and resource stewardship.

given all that, see again the phrase "smug pompous ass"

lastly---as concerns my edited version of your comments to me. fuck you.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

Has this ever actually happened with him?
If so, do you ever get the impression that information has been correctly interpreted and/or retained?

I haven't seen it.

Reading this thread makes it even more obvious: Practically all that the alt left has for "debate" are their propaganda blogs, and their ever present fallacy crutches

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ORIGINAL: InfoMan

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
So, the article isn't about the existence or not of climate change. It's about the gradual shift in politics and how the Democratic and Republican food fight backed them into a corner.

Yeah, that is basically it. The argument was infused with Politics and has become so polarized right now that they've obliterated the middle ground. Both sides ignore the science behind it all and instead have taken up the non-scientific extremes in the argument.

There is a Consensus! If you disagree you're a denialist idiot!
There is no Conclusive proof! You believe in Fake Science!