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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 6:16:28 AM   
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different economies
same as different households are in different tax brackets.

the biggest problem we have in america is their own stupidity, virtually no one understands the monetary system and how they are getting totaly fucked over by it, and they think the gubmint mob is their friend, cluless fucks.



Well, luckily you are here to save the day with your superior understanding of everything.

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 6:17:53 AM   
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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 6:22:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		the biggest problem we have in america is their own stupidity, virtually no one understands the monetary system and how they are getting totaly fucked over by it, and they think the gubmint mob is their friend, cluless fucks.

Real0ne is correct % GDP the Americans spend the most on health care than any other nation on Earth by a long margin. But it is easy enough no to know that fact given the sheer state of theirs and all those RWNJ screaming mwaaaah obama, poor people etc

Just all the money is siphoned off by interested parties - never to be confused with-by patients.

It should sicken all Americans but most are too fuking stupid.



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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 6:36:14 AM   
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I can never understand why a big country has differing taxes to dependent on which part of the country you live in.
It feels unfair and not equal.


Greta, you don't understand it because you simply might not have a frame of reference, or you're missing the point because you're looking at the United States of America, like you look at Singapore. But, Singapore is a tiny little country. The smallest US state, Rhode Island, is about 3.5 times the size of Singapore.

There are several layers of government in the US. There is the local level, which is comprised of City, Townships, etc. Thought, technically still considered on the local level, there are County governments. After County governments, there is the State government level, and then there is the Federal Government level.

Your tax rates can be different based on where you live because of the differences in government levels. I live in a Township, so I don't pay the same tax rate as a guy that lives within the City of Toledo's borders. I don't get the services residents of the City of Toledo get, either. Lucas County is my County, and all residents in Lucas County (regardless of if you're in a City or Township) have the same tax rates. The State of Ohio has 88 Counties, and all legal Ohio residents are subject to the tax rates of Ohio. Then, there is the Federal Government, and all legal residents of the USA are subject to the same Federal tax rates.

Each State gets to set it's own rax rates. Each County gets to set it's own tax rates. Each local government level gets to set it's own tax rates. That's how you get different tax rates by geography.


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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 7:02:35 AM   
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They already got more debt than Russia, how are they going to pay for it ?
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Probably by getting corporations to actually pay their fucking taxes for once.

You're welcome.


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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 7:11:35 AM   
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Given the bizarrely bad structural deficits Reagan and Bush II created, I don't think the GOP understands math either.


LOL! So this is about Reagan, and Bush.

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 7:17:42 AM   
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They already got more debt than Russia, how are they going to pay for it ?
T^T
Probably by getting corporations to actually pay their fucking taxes for once.

You're welcome.



There you go. Never mind the fact that they are already forced to pay so much now in taxes that they're practically all bugging out for much lower taxed states

Pretty soon all you will have left are the poor, the illegals, and the politicians with their armed guards in their ivory towers

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 8:26:39 AM   
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I wonder how much comrade skint paid? - shag all.

The recent elections and candidates: I was laughing hard at how much all the candidates paid - or didnt pay - ah that one I think, and the RWNJ paid the least by a country mile, as the fair griffin flies orange ostrich plummets

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 2:02:31 PM   
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They already got more debt than Russia, how are they going to pay for it ?
T^T
Probably by getting corporations to actually pay their fucking taxes for once.

You're welcome.



There you go. Never mind the fact that they are already forced to pay so much now in taxes that they're practically all bugging out for much lower taxed states

Pretty soon all you will have left are the poor, the illegals, and the politicians with their armed guards in their ivory towers
Taxes are the payment which corporations must pay for access to markets. If they don't want to pay taxes, they can go elsewhere, but someone else will eat their lunch.

Corporations are legendary tax avoiders - which is why California is in debt.


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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 5:47:22 PM   
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They already got more debt than Russia, how are they going to pay for it ? Their tax rates are through the roof, they are already scaring away both people and businesses. They are always rent seeking.

But le them pass it and they will find out the hard way. liberals can't learn the easy way. And they do not know math, there is no addition and subtraction to them, only abstraction.

It's just fine with me, I wouldn't be caught dead there.

T^T

Again, where do you get this stuff. Only now for fiscal 2019-20 is the Calif. govt. due to go into deficit. Cailf. economy has grown faster than most states, now including Tex. and faster than the US economy.

The tax problem is that revenue are to tied to wall street and the govt. is as we type figuring new ways to tackle that problem which is either boom or bust.

Cailf. has turned a huge debt into a small surplus. Unemployment is down to 4.9%.

HERE

The Calif. population continues to grow now at over 39 Million projected to soon surpass 40 million. 17th fastest in growth in the US.

HERE





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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 5:57:38 PM   
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Well, how does Canada fund their system?


California would have increase their state tax to maybe 60% of people's income to fund this.

That's how Canada funds it. Very high sales tax and very high income tax.

And considering without "single payer healthcare", still beats me why Americans call it that!

The term doesn't make any sense to me.

But considering without it, they already managed to get themselves into such a shitty hole of debt. It's just, the balancing budgets of America right now, is doing a terrible job!



The federal Medicare system is a single payer system. I don't see a problem with the terms, even if you seem to. Japan, Germany, Britain...shall I go on ? They all have a single payer system.

Does this mean there are no other means at all ? NO. But one can be covered by those systems

85% of German for example are covered by the govt. but the are 3 systems in Germany all mandatory.

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 7:14:14 PM   
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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 7:32:48 PM   
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They already got more debt than Russia, how are they going to pay for it ?
T^T
Probably by getting corporations to actually pay their fucking taxes for once.

You're welcome.



There you go. Never mind the fact that they are already forced to pay so much now in taxes that they're practically all bugging out for much lower taxed states

Pretty soon all you will have left are the poor, the illegals, and the politicians with their armed guards in their ivory towers

No, there will be nutsuckers as long as we have airport bathrooms and motels for molesting little boys.

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 7:38:29 PM   
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Belgium has got single payer health care (which hands down beats both Canada's and the UK's btw).

Belgium pays 10.2% of the GDP to have their health care system. The USA currently spends about 16.8% of the GDP on health care for a system that sucks ass.
Belgium pays about $4500 per capita per year. The USA (as noted above) pays about $9000 a year.

It's possible to have a world class health care system at about half the budget the USA is currently spending on health care, but in order to do that, you need to decrease overhead.

My GP in America has 2 full time nurses on staff, a secretary, and a filing/administrative person.
When I see him, I see a nurse for about 10-15 minutes, and I'm lucky if I get to see the doctor for more than 10. At the same time, I'm never in and out of there in less than 2 hours, because they make me wait for every for everything, even if I'm on time.
The reason is because the doc needs to cram in as many patients as possible in a day to make his overhead work. And he needs that huge overhead because there's TONS off paperwork involved with seeing patients, and dealing with insurance companies.

In Belgium, my parents see a GP who's part of a group practice. For 9 doctors, they've got 1 nurse, and 1 secretary who also does all the paperwork.
The doctor is the one who gets the patient out of the waiting room, takes their blood pressure, and asks what's wrong. You only see the nurse if the doctor needs assistance on something.
My GP I was with in Belgium worked alone, and has no nurse of secretary in hire. He does his own paperwork in about half an hour every night.
He again takes books 30 minutes to see each patient.

So yeah... if you go see a doctor and you need to cover the wages of 5 people during that time it's going to be much more expensive than if you need to cover the wages of 1 person during your office visit.

Affordable health care is possible. You just need a LOT less overhead than they have in America to make it happen.


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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 7:59:09 PM   
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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 8:20:30 PM   
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The federal Medicare system is a single payer system. I don't see a problem with the terms, even if you seem to. Japan, Germany, Britain...shall I go on ? They all have a single payer system.


How is "single payer" system a term that makes any sense at all? To what it's suppose represent? The term makes no sense especially when it's meant to refer to free medical care. Of course it's not free and the funds come from taxes, but still, how is it "singer payer"?

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 8:23:30 PM   
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I live in a Township, so I don't pay the same tax rate as a guy that lives within the City of Toledo's borders. I don't get the services residents of the City of Toledo get, either.

What kind of services will you be lacking in a town that people get in the City?


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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 8:32:46 PM   
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The federal Medicare system is a single payer system. I don't see a problem with the terms, even if you seem to. Japan, Germany, Britain...shall I go on ? They all have a single payer system.


How is "single payer" system a term that makes any sense at all? To what it's suppose represent? The term makes no sense especially when it's meant to refer to free medical care. Of course it's not free and the funds come from taxes, but still, how is it "singer payer"?


Single payer is especially shocking for older people here. For example, my dad worked and my mom stayed home so she was always 'on' his insurance policy. When they retired, that is no longer the case. They each have their own separate Medicare policy and that really bothered my dad for a while because they are like 2 separate people (policy-wise) instead of being 'a married couple' sharing the same health insurance policy.

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 8:40:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		greta75 can you count? psst mrodgers is talking pants like trump way of the idiots they say: long gone with the pox, leprosy and screaming mange.

But let you and i not dilly dally with these lesser folks.

Do you have anything in holdsups and non vampire eyes whatever that means

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 8:42:26 PM   
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