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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 8:54:49 PM   
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but still, how is it "singer payer"?


Because theoretically, it has a single payer: the government.

The fact that the people still pay the taxes to pay the government to pay for health care is irrelevant when it comes to the name, because the name is meant to imply that the bill is payed by one single entity, which distributes the funds for everybody.

But yeah, I agree with you, the name sucks.

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 8:55:18 PM   
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They already got more debt than Russia, how are they going to pay for it ? Their tax rates are through the roof, they are already scaring away both people and businesses. They are always rent seeking.

But le them pass it and they will find out the hard way. liberals can't learn the easy way. And they do not know math, there is no addition and subtraction to them, only abstraction.

It's just fine with me, I wouldn't be caught dead there.

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Given the bizarrely bad structural deficits Reagan and Bush II created, I don't think the GOP understands math either.

Really, Reagan increased tax revenue by cutting taxes but spent into a deficit that brought down the Soviet Union. Which reaped a windfall for Clinton as a peace dividend years later...which he wasted. Bush...well he wasn't really a conservative was he?

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/4/2017 10:02:14 PM   
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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/5/2017 3:59:47 AM   
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They already got more debt than Russia, how are they going to pay for it ?
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Probably by getting corporations to actually pay their fucking taxes for once.

You're welcome.



There you go. Never mind the fact that they are already forced to pay so much now in taxes that they're practically all bugging out for much lower taxed states
Actually no. Corporations such as Apple, Google and Microsoft are legendary tax-avoiders. The worship - in right wing circles - of corporations as avatars of the almighty dollar shows a complete misunderstanding of economics.

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Pretty soon all you will have left are the poor, the illegals, and the politicians with their armed guards in their ivory towers
Illegals add considerable value to the economy at a bargain basement rate. Anyone who can get away with hiring them does - because they work cheap and they virtually no legal protection.


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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/5/2017 11:24:53 AM   
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You have to live their to really have an appreciation for the amount of entitled invasive insanity the California Culture insists on.
i.e. Sacramento city ordinance against smoking in public as, if viewed by children, it is contributing to the delinquency of a minor. And "in public" is potentially in view from a public area. If you smoke a cigarette in your own yard, it is a $250.00 fine. But, if you light up a doobie and you have less than 2 ounces; no harm, no foul.

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/5/2017 1:48:32 PM   
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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/5/2017 1:51:54 PM   
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Having lived and worked in California in the past; I kinda wish there were a provision in the Constitution allowing the rest of the country to forcibly secede a single state. <snark snark>

You have to live their to really have an appreciation for the amount of entitled invasive insanity the California Culture insists on.
i.e. Sacramento city ordinance against smoking in public as, if viewed by children, it is contributing to the delinquency of a minor. And "in public" is potentially in view from a public area. If you smoke a cigarette in your own yard, it is a $250.00 fine. But, if you light up a doobie and you have less than 2 ounces; no harm, no foul.


Because smoking cigarettes causes cancer and smoking weed is actually good for you?

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/5/2017 4:51:25 PM   
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They already got more debt than Russia, how are they going to pay for it ? Their tax rates are through the roof, they are already scaring away both people and businesses. They are always rent seeking.

But le them pass it and they will find out the hard way. liberals can't learn the easy way. And they do not know math, there is no addition and subtraction to them, only abstraction.

It's just fine with me, I wouldn't be caught dead there.

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Again, where do you get this stuff. Only now for fiscal 2019-20 is the Calif. govt. due to go into deficit. Cailf. economy has grown faster than most states, now including Tex. and faster than the US economy.

The tax problem is that revenue are to tied to wall street and the govt. is as we type figuring new ways to tackle that problem which is either boom or bust.

Cailf. has turned a huge debt into a small surplus. Unemployment is down to 4.9%.

HERE

The Calif. population continues to grow now at over 39 Million projected to soon surpass 40 million. 17th fastest in growth in the US.

HERE






I don't see dot govs after the URLs of those links so they are meaningless.

And explain the "growth" of an economy. is Ukraine better off with western oil getting a cut out of their pipeline profits ? Is Ukraine better off with Monsanto poisoning their backyard ? Do they get a percentage ? What is economic growth, but more apty, is it, in and of itself a good thing ?

Another thing, consider this, the GDP of the country so therefore assume states as well, the GDP includes money made by banks. Other than through the roof fees, they play high risk with the money that is supposed to be ow risk. They'll give you 1% provided you meet the minimum balance requirements. They win, you keep your money, they lose, you are coverered by the FDIC or FSLIC. So your measely $250,000 insurance cover is paid for by you through your tax dollars. And it has ben that wat for a long time.

The time for an armed revolution is when they called in all the gold. I would have told them to go fuck off.

Liberals think like "Forget about real money, we got this new fake swhit that we can just print and print".

Well let me tell you something. Rune a poker game using chips (in case the cops come, like in a public place) The ownere opf the game has the chips and he sells them. Once in a while he gets a good hand and can stay on the table beyond his means by just "tapping the till".

Well that is how the economy works. Get used to it because it is not changing anytime soon. Sooner or later, the game is ove and everyone wants to cash in and go home. Now the ower of the game comes up short.

In the old days of real justice he would be beaten to within an inch of his life or worse. But now we give the money and yachts and Lear jets and all that with. The got caught short in 1929, 1933, 2008 and quite few times in between. You or I would be homeless.

Anyway, let's see what Moody's says and then see how California sets with that half trillion debt.

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/5/2017 4:58:10 PM   
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They already got more debt than Russia, how are they going to pay for it ? Their tax rates are through the roof, they are already scaring away both people and businesses. They are always rent seeking.

But le them pass it and they will find out the hard way. liberals can't learn the easy way. And they do not know math, there is no addition and subtraction to them, only abstraction.

It's just fine with me, I wouldn't be caught dead there.

T^T

Again, where do you get this stuff. Only now for fiscal 2019-20 is the Calif. govt. due to go into deficit. Cailf. economy has grown faster than most states, now including Tex. and faster than the US economy.

The tax problem is that revenue are to tied to wall street and the govt. is as we type figuring new ways to tackle that problem which is either boom or bust.

Cailf. has turned a huge debt into a small surplus. Unemployment is down to 4.9%.

HERE

The Calif. population continues to grow now at over 39 Million projected to soon surpass 40 million. 17th fastest in growth in the US.

HERE







I don't see dot govs after the URLs of those links so they are meaningless.

And explain the "growth" of an economy. is Ukraine better off with western oil getting a cut out of their pipeline profits ? Is Ukraine better off with Monsanto poisoning their backyard ? Do they get a percentage ? What is economic growth, but more aptly, is it, in and of itself a good thing ?

Another thing, consider this, the GDP of the country so therefore assume states as well, the GDP includes money made by banks. On paper. Other than through the roof fees, they play high risk with the money that is supposed to be low risk. They'll give you 1% provided you meet the minimum balance requirements. They win, you keep your money, they lose, you are covered by the FDIC or FSLIC. So your measly $250,000 insurance cover is paid for by you through your tax dollars. And it has been that way for a long time.

The time for an armed revolution is when they called in all the gold. I would have told them to go fuck off.

Liberals think like "Forget about real money, we got this new fake shit that we can just print and print".

Well let me tell you something. Rune a poker game using chips (in case the cops come, like in a public place) The owner of the game has the chips and he sells them. Once in a while he gets a good hand and can stay on the table beyond his means by just "tapping the till".

Well that is how the economy works. Get used to it because it is not changing anytime soon. Sooner or later, the game is over and everyone wants to cash in and go home. Now the owner of the game comes up short.

In the old days of real justice he would be beaten to within an inch of his life or worse. But now we give them money and yachts and Lear jets and all that with. The got caught short in 1929, 1933, 2008 and quite few times in between. You or I would be homeless.

Anyway, let's see what Moody's says and then see how California sets with that half trillion debt.

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/5/2017 4:59:54 PM   
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I don't see dot govs after the URLs of those links so they are meaningless.


What a meaningless and silly dismissal of data.


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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/5/2017 5:01:11 PM   
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Mods, (if any) please leave the better one and delete the other.

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/5/2017 5:24:54 PM   
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Affordable health care is possible. You just need a LOT less overhead than they have in America to make it happen.


FINALLY, someone with some goddam common sense !

I bet you are as sick as me of foreigners telling us what to do. Turn in your guns and vote for Hillary and it will all be fine. Yeah right. Our little nation state should serve as an example to all you selfish Americans who want borders, and BTW if you want to come to my country you have to live on an island for a few years. But you selfish fuckers should just let them have apartments and welfare and a food card and a free car and all that. You Americans owe it to the world along with free defense so we can keep up our infrastructure which is ever so much better than yours. Why, because you help us pay for it by defending us.

So now, we are going to forsake you because now that we got our cheap gas and oil due to the shedding of your blood, we see that you made alot of enemies. Now we are starting to get terrorist attacks because we are seen as your ally Uncle Sam.

So since Trump did not lick our ass like what was on schedule, we are leaving you, you are outnumbered and we want to be on the side that's winning. We'll take the oil, you get the flack. And I will get reelected by these gunless freaks.

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/6/2017 2:10:15 AM   
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I don't see dot govs after the URLs of those links so they are meaningless.


What a meaningless and silly dismissal of data.




OK, then I guess links to Mercola's site would be just as good then ? Actually the guy is sharp, just over the years he published a few things, out of many thousands, which were off the wall.

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/6/2017 3:41:20 AM   
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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/6/2017 5:35:41 AM   
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I don't see dot govs after the URLs of those links so they are meaningless.


What a meaningless and silly dismissal of data.




OK, then I guess links to Mercola's site would be just as good then ? Actually the guy is sharp, just over the years he published a few things, out of many thousands, which were off the wall.

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Your claim was essentially ONLY .gov are legitimate data sources. That's silly.

That doesn't mean ALL other sites are reliable data sources either, obviously.

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/6/2017 12:10:42 PM   
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mercola is legitimate .gov?
LMAO



Though Mercola has some really good information on it, in the past they published the wrong shit and made Quackwatch. As such I try to avoid using them as a source. On many sources you just have to trust me. "I did not make this shit up". I remember what I read and also that it was in a book, not on the net so there might simply not be a citre in the for of a URL. If you want to call me a liar go right ahead, sticks and stones y'know. But the bottom line is that I simply have no reason to deceive anyone. Why ? Am i trying to get you to send me money ?

Like American Free Press, they'll bring up something once in a while that has fallen through the cracks of the MSM. But their slant is religious right so I do not use them as a source, instead I just plug in the pertinent names and do an internet search. So they are not so much a source as a "noticer" of things.

But I digress. The fact is that the taxes in California have made it one of the most expensive places to live. And they have homeless. And these math challenged boobs think they can afford something that even the federal government could not, even if just for their own state ? Seriously, some of those people require years of therapy and several courses of psyche drugs for when their dog dies. And they got the idea that they have some sort of right to live pain free. That means a jillion pain pills for a fucking hangnail.

Really, I should just keep my mouth shut. Single payer won't work when that single payer runs out of money. Now you will see all those dedicated professionals work so hard because they only care about the people, not the good money in that lucrative field. You will see them working tirelessly when their paychecks bounce.

Then you get a real taste of human nature.

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/6/2017 2:05:19 PM   
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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/25/2017 5:04:16 AM   
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http://fortune.com/2017/06/02/healthcare-california-single-payer/

One good thing on the list of absolutely unforgivably horrible things about the Trump victory is that it mobilizes the left-leaning states to take matters into their own hands.
California is taking steps to catch up to the rest of the developed world!


"Woefully incomplete" universal health bill dead for the year in California

Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon put the brakes on a sweeping plan to overhaul the health care market in California Friday, calling the bill “woefully incomplete.”

Rendon announced plans to park the bill to create a government-run universal health care system in Assembly Rules Committee “until further notice” and give senators time to fill in holes that the bill does not currently address.

“Even senators who voted for Senate Bill 562 noted there are potentially fatal flaws in the bill, including the fact it does not address many serious issues, such as financing, delivery of care, cost controls, or the realities of needed action by the Trump administration and voters to make SB 562 a genuine piece of legislation,” Rendon said.

Democratic Sens. Ricardo Lara and Toni Atkins, who introduced the proposal, acknowledged the bill was dead for the year. Lara and Atkins had described the bill as a work in progress when it passed the Senate earlier this month without a funding plan. A legislative analysis pegged the cost at $400 billion.
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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/25/2017 7:34:06 AM   
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Having lived and worked in California in the past; I kinda wish there were a provision in the Constitution allowing the rest of the country to forcibly secede a single state. <snark snark>

You have to live their to really have an appreciation for the amount of entitled invasive insanity the California Culture insists on.
i.e. Sacramento city ordinance against smoking in public as, if viewed by children, it is contributing to the delinquency of a minor. And "in public" is potentially in view from a public area. If you smoke a cigarette in your own yard, it is a $250.00 fine. But, if you light up a doobie and you have less than 2 ounces; no harm, no foul.

Na...you can have eight pounds now.

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RE: California senate passes single payer health care - 6/25/2017 9:22:25 AM   
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They already got more debt than Russia, how are they going to pay for it ? Their tax rates are through the roof, they are already scaring away both people and businesses. They are always rent seeking.

But le them pass it and they will find out the hard way. liberals can't learn the easy way. And they do not know math, there is no addition and subtraction to them, only abstraction.

It's just fine with me, I wouldn't be caught dead there.

T^T

Given the bizarrely bad structural deficits Reagan and Bush II created, I don't think the GOP understands math either.

Really, Reagan increased tax revenue by cutting taxes but spent into a deficit that brought down the Soviet Union. Which reaped a windfall for Clinton as a peace dividend years later...which he wasted. Bush...well he wasn't really a conservative was he?

Given he had a GOP Congress, which controls the purse strings, if you feel that way, then it's a a "peace dividend" the GOP Congress wasted.

And yeah, Bush II just systematically set up a huge structural deficit we'll be stuck with for a few decades.

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