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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 6:14:46 AM

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It's called a Mixed Economy, and we've been living under that system -- as has most of the world -- for over a century now.

Really? What businesses does the government own & run? Do you get your groceries at a government grocery store?

Military, Postal Service, VA, Intelligence, the list goes on and on.....

The police, whoever does road maintenance over there and the public school system spring to mind as well.

Regulation of utilities and financial markets too.

Licensing of professionals and trades.

Subsidies of oil and industrial faming.

Government cheese and honey.

And the Dims insist government get into every other business too, in as many ways as possible

Fines, taxes, outrageous micromanagement, outright nationalization...

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 6:16:16 AM

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It's called a Mixed Economy, and we've been living under that system -- as has most of the world -- for over a century now.

Really? What businesses does the government own & run? Do you get your groceries at a government grocery store?

General Motors, for one. NASA once upon a time, and probably many more we don't know about. Those businesses that contracted out to the military and ended up at risk of being bought out by China.

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 6:17:56 AM

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They were all over designed at the time and still are- or supposed to be.
Maintenance and Inspection and Quality and etc - are the first to go, and they went a very long time ago - you could argue 30 years ago, some would argue before. What crumbling remnants that remain are tendered out to the cheapest tender from the private sector. That began a very long time ago across here as I am sure you are aware.

Take something like the Forth road bridge and its near imminent catastrophic failure (design problem not a maintenance prob) - to say something like the H2 - do we need that - albeit one for England isnt it. Or that guy who decimated our rail systems tory stooge wasnt he - oh wait labour apparently? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Beeching. I am sure i read the other week they have completely halted electrification in England

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 8:17:30 AM

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It's called a Mixed Economy, and we've been living under that system -- as has most of the world -- for over a century now.

Really? What businesses does the government own & run? Do you get your groceries at a government grocery store?

Military, Postal Service, VA, Intelligence, the list goes on and on.....

The police, whoever does road maintenance over there and the public school system spring to mind as well.

Regulation of utilities and financial markets too.

Licensing of professionals and trades.

Subsidies of oil and industrial faming.

Government cheese and honey.

And the Dims insist government get into every other business too, in as many ways as possible

Fines, taxes, outrageous micromanagement, outright nationalization...

Quite. They should leave the business sector to manage itself the way the republicans do, and just give it a huge handout from the tax payer in order to reward it for management level incompetence when it crashes the economy.
(Hiking the national debt works as well: a surprising amount of Americans are unaware that Dubya took out a huge loan from the Bank of England to help bail out bankers who'd started a global recession in 2008.)

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 8:23:19 AM

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Clearly, some folks skipped Economics 101.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 8:47:43 AM

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Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program - who knew eh. i was just reading up on that.

That represents about 25% of the budget for the program, which supports 22.3 million low-income households, representing 45 million people.

SNAP benefits cost $70.9 billion in fiscal year 2016 and supplied roughly 44.2 million Americans with an average of $125.51 for each person per month in food assistance.

factor in 200 billion divided by 10 years = $20 billion a year from the 70 billion budget = a 30% annual cut. Fuking animals.

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 11:34:10 AM

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FR,

Any cost added to the cost of doing business, ultimately gets borne by the consumers. FirstEnergy (parent company of Toledo Edison and the Davis-Besse Nuclear Power Plant, etc.) were fined for an issue where the stainless steel dome over the reactor had pits the size of footballs in it and some of those pits left the dome with less than a 1/2" of steel. The fine was hefty, and came with the caveat that it couldn't be passed down to "ratepayers." So, who paid for those fines? All those fines got rolled into the prices that were paid, not by ratepayers, but by bulk buyers of excess power. While the direct customers of FirstEnergy's power companies didn't pay for those fines, secondary customers did (through the increased costs of bulk power sales). A company such as FirstEnergy isn't going to go out of business because of a fine.

A grocer isn't going to slice into its already thin profit margins absorbing the cost. It's going to raise prices so customers ultimately pay for those "taxes."

Or cut payroll.

Or cut benefits (hire more part time & less fulltime)

Or cut marketing 'extras'

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 11:42:05 AM

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Or not pay the government to administer the government's program.

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 11:51:12 AM

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Well, have them pay me. You will find I am a magnificent tyrant - anyone like to give me money i have always wondered?

I have a vision:

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 11:54:16 AM

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Any cost added to the cost of doing business, ultimately gets borne by the consumers. FirstEnergy (parent company of Toledo Edison and the Davis-Besse Nuclear Power Plant, etc.) were fined for an issue where the stainless steel dome over the reactor had pits the size of footballs in it and some of those pits left the dome with less than a 1/2" of steel. The fine was hefty, and came with the caveat that it couldn't be passed down to "ratepayers." So, who paid for those fines? All those fines got rolled into the prices that were paid, not by ratepayers, but by bulk buyers of excess power. While the direct customers of FirstEnergy's power companies didn't pay for those fines, secondary customers did (through the increased costs of bulk power sales). A company such as FirstEnergy isn't going to go out of business because of a fine.
A grocer isn't going to slice into its already thin profit margins absorbing the cost. It's going to raise prices so customers ultimately pay for those "taxes."

Or cut payroll.
Or cut benefits (hire more part time & less fulltime)
Or cut marketing 'extras'

A grocer can do all or any of those 3 things you mentioned, but will likely only do so as long as it doesn't hurt the business. A business owner is always in the position of optimizing profits, even when margins are slim. If cutting payroll or hiring fewer FT and more PT workers will optimize profits, then a business is going to do that. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that many businesses have already done those things, making further added costs less likely to be dealt with via hiring changes. As far as advertising goes, it's, again, about optimizing profits. If an ad campaign isn't going to drive sales and/or profits, it will likely be cut anyway. If a marketing plan has proven itself to be worth more than it costs, adding costs to a business isn't likely to result in not spending $ on that marketing plan.

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 3:22:24 PM

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do all grocers make cake or a nice scone?

Now the main page looks 100% handsome and that is for the best :)

Some things simply have to be and what one of you wretches would dare to disagree?

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Penny Dreadful- Caliban Speech FULL

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 3:26:53 PM

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It's called a Mixed Economy, and we've been living under that system -- as has most of the world -- for over a century now.

Really? What businesses does the government own & run? Do you get your groceries at a government grocery store?

Military, Postal Service, VA, Intelligence, the list goes on and on.....

The police, whoever does road maintenance over there and the public school system spring to mind as well.

Regulation of utilities and financial markets too.

Licensing of professionals and trades.

Subsidies of oil and industrial faming.

Government cheese and honey.

New Hampshire's state-run liquor stores - located conveniently on the side of our highways.

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 3:54:42 PM

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Do they sell Drambuie?

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 4:50:12 PM

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It's called a Mixed Economy, and we've been living under that system -- as has most of the world -- for over a century now.

Really? What businesses does the government own & run? Do you get your groceries at a government grocery store?

Military, Postal Service, VA, Intelligence, the list goes on and on.....

The police, whoever does road maintenance over there and the public school system spring to mind as well.

Regulation of utilities and financial markets too.

Licensing of professionals and trades.

Subsidies of oil and industrial faming.

Government cheese and honey.

New Hampshire's state-run liquor stores - located conveniently on the side of our highways.

The state owns the store?

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 4:56:38 PM

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Or not pay the government to administer the government's program.

Well the "government's program' provides a safe world in which to 'capitalize' on. World stability and security should have a value to corporations.

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 5:16:14 PM

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It's called a Mixed Economy, and we've been living under that system -- as has most of the world -- for over a century now.

Really? What businesses does the government own & run? Do you get your groceries at a government grocery store?

Military, Postal Service, VA, Intelligence, the list goes on and on.....

The police, whoever does road maintenance over there and the public school system spring to mind as well.

Regulation of utilities and financial markets too.

Licensing of professionals and trades.

Subsidies of oil and industrial faming.

Government cheese and honey.

New Hampshire's state-run liquor stores - located conveniently on the side of our highways.

The state owns the store?

Ah Yeh

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 5:17:27 PM

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Do they sell Drambuie?

Ah Yeh

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 5:28:01 PM

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not had any for 5 years :( cos I am skint guffaws

Every tried it swearyman or dear readers?

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 5:54:30 PM

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Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps

So much for pro-business.

* Trump wants to charge retailers a fee for accepting food stamps as payment from the poor.
* Separately, the Trump administration is proposing $191 billion in cuts over the next decade to the food stamp program.

The White House proposal to overhaul the U.S. food stamp program — and the deep cuts it would make to benefits for the poorest households — has sparked public outrage on both sides of the aisle. But there's another change tucked into the proposal that businesses say caught them off guard — and could wind up costing them more than $2 billion.

That provision is a new fee that the White House wants to charge retailers that accept food stamps.

The proposal surprised the grocery industry, which is already fighting to block the controversial border adjustment tax on Capitol Hill. That measure would lower the cost of exports but raise the price of imports and has been widely opposed by chain retailers. Trump's food stamp fee, however, would fall squarely on supermarkets.

Grocers oppose the "flawed policy of imposing fees on food retailers in order to reduce the cost of the federal government's nutrition assistance benefits to the most needy in our society," said Leslie G. Sarasin, president of the Food Marketing Institute, which represents the industry.
Changes hit congressional opposition

But the proposed changes are already running into obstacles on Capitol Hill — even among Republicans. Rep. Michael Conaway of Texas and Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas, the chairmen of the House and Senate agriculture committees, have signaled they would fight the measure.

"We need to take a look at our nutrition assistance programs to ensure that they are helping the most vulnerable in our society," they said in a statement.

"Implementing cuts to that extent are going to have stark consequences for retailers, especially in low-income communities." -Brian Lang, director of healthy food access, The Food Trust

More: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/07/trump-wants-to-start-charging-stores-to-accept-food-stamps.html

This is no different than the slow progression towards all social programs (SSI among many) that were supposed to be free of any encumbrance....yet today even SSI is taxed at some level.

So...now (no less than health insurance was once at $500.00 deductible...now upwards of $5,000.00...the spread is...in fact...actually...in every mathematical reality...a tax)...every social benefit is taxed (deal with it).

So also is Welfare and even...at a state level...unemployment.

Dare to presume this is anti business? It is in fact...business.

The govt. is a business....and they want their share...whether you make a little...or a lot.

(Even if the check comes from them).

Here's the truth...whether you believe it or not...we simply don't have enough money coming in to pay all that is going out....unless....

We all agree that bridges to nowhere and...YOUR Senator.....is/are...wrong...and must stop.

Meaning....all the shit YOU want....all the shit I want....

We all have to buck up.

Bannon is proposing a new (higher) 44% tax on the "uber" wealthy.

To balance the REAL....proposed.....reductions of taxes on the lower and middle.

(Which are desperately needed).

It's still not enough so....at what point do we stop taxing the wealthy into oblivion? At what point do they say...."Ehhhh....I'll head to...thus and so country"?

I personally, don't believe we can go much farther on the upper end.

Knowing that the upper 10% pay 3+ times what they paid (in % of the total) than they paid in 1980....and that the lower 60% pay LESS than 1/2 what they paid in the same period....at some point...the wealthy are going to crack and say...."in today's digital economy....I can live in ___________ and pay 1/2 the taxes....still sell stuff to American's.....why would I live in America?"

At some point...we cannot continue giving tax breaks to the lowest 80% and still be a viable country.

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RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food... - 7/29/2017 6:47:48 PM

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Is it just me swearyman or do they shy away in the corner shiting themselves screaming for their mummy - where is boscox anyway?

I met someone 3 weeks ago whose friend was in a relationship with you - did you know that swearyman?

That aside you must explain this 60 to 51 I am truly toiling with that one smiles

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