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Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 7:20:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne [isnt working in britain, gun deaths and gun related crime is steadily on the rise, only law abiding citizens turn in their weapons. Thats the way america was designed, the people have weapons because jolly old britain taught us what happens when the people do not have the power to defend themselves against daMOBcracy. Waco is a perfect example, the davidians needed a tank to defend themselves. Whats this crap about illegal weapons? See what I mean, you can wipe your ass with the constitution, since it says arms, not guns, not weapons, and it is constitutionally legal to own arms which 'arms' like it or not include nukes. The idea behind arms was a balance in power between the people and damob . Think about this. You have a big group of people hole up in a house filled with heavy weapons. Authorities come in with their heavy weapons to apprehend those people. Even IF there were women and children inside. But all the weapons are inside with those women and children, WTF? They were just using the women and children as human shield. Damn stupid cult! If they don't all come out and surrender without their weapons together with their women and children. Chances are, authorities are stomping full weapon swinging. I remember an incident in Singapore where our airplane got hijacked by Islamic Terrorists but was on the ground in the airport filled with civilians. The survivals who lived to tell the tale said the commandos just stomped in and yell at everyone to duck and started shooting indiscriminately. I am sure some civilians would have gotten hurt. They were like just gonna get those terrorist with weapons! By hook or crook! surrender over a falsified gun licensing requirement? koresh didnt require a license to what amounts to bump firng a semi auto. You know this was over a 200 dollar license the feds falsely claimed koresh needed to have and that big group of people was a 'RELIGIOUS' organization like the mormons practicing their religion same as the mormons, and the state shut them down because everyone in the US has to comply with the established state sanctioned religion.

WickedsDesire -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 7:21:10 AM)
Thats one definition - but gun deaths to me are terrorism, well most of them - and the infamous collateral damage and so on...waco yep Oh sorry Op what makes a terrorist? hate bigotry fake news conditioning - usually. What makes someone kill - I would give the same answer.

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 7:26:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire Thats one definition - but gun deaths to me are terrorism, well most of them - and the infamous collateral damage and so on...waco yep Oh sorry Op what makes a terrorist? hate bigotry fake news conditioning - usually. the problem with the bogus synthetic euphemisms the state comes up with if someone says a terrorist attack the next person has to ask what did they do because you can apply it to anything you imagine, while murder on the other hand you know someone killed someone. terrorism is a bullshit statist agenda word. this country was created in part because that is precisely what the king did prior to the revolution, law any which way the wind blows

Greta75 -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 7:31:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne surrender over a falsified gun licensing requirement? koresh didnt require a license to what amounts to bump firng a semi auto. You know this was over a 200 dollar license the feds falsely claimed koresh needed to have. The article you posted claims: Their objective was to serve a search warrant for illegal firearms and explosives, and arrest the cult’s leader, David Koresh, on weapons charges. Unfortunately, Koresh and his group had been tipped off and were waiting as authorities approached. Without warning, gunfire erupted and law enforcement officials found themselves facing cult members armed with explosive devices, military assault rifles, and other semi-automatic weapons. That sounds pretty well-armed the civilians they are up against. Like a whole military on their own that cult! Nothing will go well in such a confrontation. There were deaths on both side, but probably less on law enforcers side because maybe they had bullet proof jackets.

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 7:34:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne surrender over a falsified gun licensing requirement? koresh didnt require a license to what amounts to bump firng a semi auto. You know this was over a 200 dollar license the feds falsely claimed koresh needed to have. The article you posted claims: Their objective was to serve a search warrant for illegal firearms and explosives, and arrest the cult’s leader, David Koresh, on weapons charges. Unfortunately, Koresh and his group had been tipped off and were waiting as authorities approached. Without warning, gunfire erupted and law enforcement officials found themselves facing cult members armed with explosive devices, military assault rifles, and other semi-automatic weapons. That sounds pretty well-armed the civilians they are up against. Like a whole military on their own that cult! Nothing will go well in such a confrontation. There were deaths on both side, but probably less on law enforcers side because maybe they had bullet proof jackets. Explosives? News to me. ARMS IN AMERICA ARE LEGAL, The arms the davidians has were LEGAL, and the civilians did not shoot first the feds did, so wth is your point?

WickedsDesire -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 7:35:30 AM)
fear terror I know: the word is ~~selectively~~ specifically used, especially nowadays, to induce a state of fear on the sheople. But we kinda all knew what OP was driving at without having to go into what is terrorism - and most of us know, by no means all, a terrorist doesn't view himself as a terrorist.

tj444 -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 7:36:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle “The role of shame and failure is now being given far greater prominence in understanding men who commit harm. Terrorism specialists such as France's Olivier Roy believe that this sense of worthlessness, rather than any after-the-fact "radicalisation", is the driving factor for violent acts, and if we ignore this we will not solve the problem.” http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-role-of-male-shame-in-violent-incidents-like-the-lindt-cafe-siege-20170611-gwp0iy.html More general causal factors must include the social, political, religious and liberty situations in a terrorist's background. All these factors undoubtedly play a part in creating terrorists. Individual terrorists are made not born. Biddulph concludes: “If we do not acknowledge what male disintegration looks like and include this in a more accurate, albeit broader definition of mental illness and potential for violence, then we may see far more blood on our streets. If we so easily lend the cachet of terrorism to what would otherwise be simply horrible acts by pathetic men, then that makes them much more likely to recur. These are the acts of damaged and heartless men, and they are entirely predictable and preventable once we know what we are looking for.” Is this an area that we should be exploring to help us identify potential mass shooters and terrorists and hopefully to prevent them doing harm to others in the future? Is this an area that we need to devise strategies to prevent the radicalisation of at-risk males into terrorists? If violence by at risk individual's is "predictable and preventable" what should we be doing to intervene successfully? So they are not born this way, they are "made".. so how are they any different from serial killers that kill several/dozens/hundreds of women (some also kill men, children)? they are "made" too, arent they? What about the millions of those that endured the same kind of events/things in their lives but are law abiding good people? so what does he say will prevent terrorist to become terrorists? lock little Johnny up? along with those millions that werent going to go down that path even under the same situation as Johnny? The fact is that terrorists (& serial killers) are a very small percent of the population so you are very unlikely to run into one.. and most are very good at hiding their intentions and true nature...

Greta75 -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 7:37:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne ARMS IN AMERICA ARE LEGAL, The arms the davidians has were LEGAL, and the civilians did not shoot first the feds did, so wth is your point?[/color] You know what can make a fed shoot first right? Just an action of looking like a civilian is gonna shoot. That's how those black guys got shot by police. Gun country, this is gonna be the norm.

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 7:37:51 AM)
Like I said its not terrorism, its about the psychology that drives one to go postal.

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 7:39:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne ARMS IN AMERICA ARE LEGAL, The arms the davidians has were LEGAL, and the civilians did not shoot first the feds did, so wth is your point? You know what can make a fed shoot first right? Just an action of looking like a civilian is gonna shoot. That's how those black guys got shot by police. Gun country, this is gonna be the norm. They were all in a building, members went back and forth to town countless times during the seige and were not arrested, you know what else can make a fed shoot? Suppressing freedom of religion.

WickedsDesire -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 7:40:32 AM)
If you wanted to be a right smart ass the biggest terrorist in the world is God - he wiped humanity, as they got a bit wicked, from the face of the planet save two, apparently. Ands thats before we get to the 8, or was it 10 plagues of Egypt. First born that one seems to have stuck in my mind. I cant stand religion, I can tolerate it, or some, whatever that means.

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 7:42:58 AM)
you need to keep it in context, the world to them was the known world, what they knew the world to be, they thought it was flat so their world was pretty small. try to keep things in context.

Greta75 -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 7:51:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire If you wanted to be a right smart ass the biggest terrorist in the world is God - he wiped humanity, as they got a bit wicked, from the face of the planet save two, apparently. Ands thats before we get to the 8, or was it 10 plagues of Egypt. First born that one seems to have stuck in my mind. I cant stand religion, I can tolerate it, or some, whatever that means. I can agree with you that the Christian God in the old testament, thanks to Noah Ark incident is one hell of a terrorist. That's why I don't support Christianity. But the only living grace is I believe in Christianity, punishment is to be left to God. Whereas in Islam, they teach you to take punishment upon your own hands as mandated by Allah. That's what causes alot of problems for the future for that religion. Christianity has the chance to become less violent because people could use the bible to explain that, they aren't suppose to take matters into their own hands and punish non-Christians on God's behalf. Islam though, has the chance of turning more and more violent, because ISIS is using the Quran to explain why people need to take things into their own hands and rise up and take action world wide and fight in the name of Islam. And the fact that ISIS is motivating teenagers with cushy and comfortable lives around the world to give up their comfort and families to join their fight, is something that is I think, phenomenon. The west needs to stop being in denial that terrorists are created by people born in poverty and desperation only. That's not the true from my part of the world that is joining ISIS. They are pampered children in good lives, being attracted to become a terrorist as a service to their God. And just like some rich kid like Buddha could be persuaded to give up his cushy life to basically live a life of below poverty line, he was sold on some religious concepts that doing that will achieve nirvana and he did reach there. Religion is very powerful to motivate rich people to do stupid things.

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 7:55:55 AM)
greta christianity is the new testament

Greta75 -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 7:56:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne greta christianity is the new testament Noah Ark story is still part of Christianity. And in Christianity, they recognise the old testament as valid and true.

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 8:05:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire I cant stand religion, I can tolerate it, or some, whatever that means. thats like saying you cant stand yourself. religion is life by your choice of beliefs, gubmints laws is living by 'their' choice of what 'you are going to believe' or get shot.

BoscoX -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 8:19:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 So they are not born this way, they are "made".. so how are they any different from serial killers that kill several/dozens/hundreds of women (some also kill men, children)? they are "made" too, arent they? What about the millions of those that endured the same kind of events/things in their lives but are law abiding good people? so what does he say will prevent terrorist to become terrorists? lock little Johnny up? along with those millions that werent going to go down that path even under the same situation as Johnny? The fact is that terrorists (& serial killers) are a very small percent of the population so you are very unlikely to run into one.. and most are very good at hiding their intentions and true nature... Serial killers aren't usually terrorists, normally they want their crimes to remain secret for one thing That aside, what if there were a medieval cult still existing today that teaches its members to be terroristic serial killers and demanded they practice their teachings How would you feel about members of that cult (Quran 8:12)

WhoreMods -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 8:25:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 So they are not born this way, they are "made".. so how are they any different from serial killers that kill several/dozens/hundreds of women (some also kill men, children)? they are "made" too, arent they? What about the millions of those that endured the same kind of events/things in their lives but are law abiding good people? so what does he say will prevent terrorist to become terrorists? lock little Johnny up? along with those millions that werent going to go down that path even under the same situation as Johnny? The fact is that terrorists (& serial killers) are a very small percent of the population so you are very unlikely to run into one.. and most are very good at hiding their intentions and true nature... Serial killers aren't usually terrorists, normally they want their crimes to remain secret for one thing That aside, what if there were a medieval cult that taught serial killers to be terroristic serial killers and demanded they practice the teachings How would you feel about members of that cult (Quran 8:12) That'd be much more convincing if you hadn't tried to blame the acts of war carried out under the orders of the ruler of Wallachia while that country was at war with the Ottoman Empire on islamic terrorism.

Greta75 -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 8:25:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 So they are not born this way, they are "made".. so how are they any different from serial killers that kill several/dozens/hundreds of women (some also kill men, children)? they are "made" too, arent they? I thought it's official that if you are a serial killer, it's a gene you have that you are born to? So serial killers are definitely not "made". It's inborn in them! http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/killers-born-murder-gene-scientists-4528684 With Islamic Terrorists. They are made by Islam the religion. I don't believe it's because they want to kill. But they believe they have no choice but to kill if they want to reach Paradise. It's the belief that, this is what their God wants them to do or they will get punished for it. And considering punishment in hell is eternal. This could drive some people to commit the killing act in this life time in hope to avoid eternal hell. With Islam, you are taught that if you refuse Jihad, you could go to hell.

WhoreMods -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 8:26:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne greta christianity is the new testament Noah Ark story is still part of Christianity. And in Christianity, they recognise the old testament as valid and true. Bear in mind that you're talking to somebody so far gone into conspiracyland that he refuses to accept that the zionists in Israel are jewish.

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