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Quran 8:12 – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

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Quran 8:15 – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Circles.

Repeat it endlessly, still won't make your cherry-picked extremism mainstream.

Post in public forums, get responses.

Do you wear a tiara when you post?

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Hundreds of millions of people and counting have fallen to the Muslim hordes

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Hundreds of millions of people and counting have fallen to the Muslim hordes

Names, please. Alphabetical.

Two columns: Victims :::: Hoards.

asap,

thank you

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greta christianity is the new testament

Noah Ark story is still part of Christianity. And in Christianity, they recognise the old testament as valid and true.

Bear in mind that you're talking to somebody so far gone into conspiracyland that he refuses to accept that the zionists in Israel are jewish.

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The oldest known, well claimed - as there are older, flood myth is the Epic of Gilgamesh greta75 Noah was just a cheap knock off that one go look it up

I think they new the world to be round real0ne even from Enoch's time, before we mention the Hellenes...I cant speak for older than that. You could certainly say the Egyptians knew.

Not quite sure what you are driving at with what is Religion. I like cake is that a religion

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the insane troll posse .

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One of the more intractable aspects to countering terrorism has been getting into the minds of terrorists, understanding what causes an otherwise ordinary person to resort to desperate brutal acts. We are stumped by our inability to identify comprehensively the factors that cause mass shooters, lone wolf terrorists and terrorists generally.

There is a lot of talk about preventing radicalisation of at-risk males but precious little in the way of results. If we can agree that the causes of an individual’s ‘radicalisation’ can be many and complex, then we need to look deeper than simplistic one-word or single concept explanations such as “ideology creates terrorists” or “terrorists hate our freedoms”.

Mens advocate Steve Biddulph has studied the role of shame and humiliation in the male terrorist psyche. Biddulph’s examines not only terrorists but also to other acts of wanton violence by males, such as the mass shootings that are so common in the USA. Biddulph’s point of departure is the 2014 hostage crisis at the Lindt Cafe in Sydney where a lone deranged gunman held 18 people hostage in a siege that resulted in his death, and the deaths of 2 hostages. The motives of the gunman, Man Haron Moris, are the subject of debate. Monis claimed to be acting in the name of the reviled terrorist group IS, even though subsequent attempts to identify any links between Monis and IS were unsuccessful.

“The role of shame and failure is now being given far greater prominence in understanding men who commit harm. Terrorism specialists such as France's Olivier Roy believe that this sense of worthlessness, rather than any after-the-fact "radicalisation", is the driving factor for violent acts, and if we ignore this we will not solve the problem.”
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-role-of-male-shame-in-violent-incidents-like-the-lindt-cafe-siege-20170611-gwp0iy.html

More general causal factors must include the social, political, religious and liberty situations in a terrorist's background. All these factors undoubtedly play a part in creating terrorists. Individual terrorists are made not born. Biddulph concludes:
“If we do not acknowledge what male disintegration looks like and include this in a more accurate, albeit broader definition of mental illness and potential for violence, then we may see far more blood on our streets.
If we so easily lend the cachet of terrorism to what would otherwise be simply horrible acts by pathetic men, then that makes them much more likely to recur. These are the acts of damaged and heartless men, and they are entirely predictable and preventable once we know what we are looking for.”

Is this an area that we should be exploring to help us identify potential mass shooters and terrorists and hopefully to prevent them doing harm to others in the future? Is this an area that we need to devise strategies to prevent the radicalisation of at-risk males into terrorists? If violeto nce by at risk individual's is "predictable and preventable" what should we be doing to intervene?

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One of the more intractable aspects to countering terrorism has been getting into the minds of terrorists, understanding what causes an otherwise ordinary person to resort to desperate brutal acts. We are stumped by our inability to identify comprehensively the factors that cause mass shooters, lone wolf terrorists and terrorists generally.

There is a lot of talk about preventing radicalisation of at-risk males but precious little in the way of results. If we can agree that the causes of an individual’s ‘radicalisation’ can be many and complex, then we need to look deeper than simplistic one-word or single concept explanations such as “ideology creates terrorists” or “terrorists hate our freedoms”.

Mens advocate Steve Biddulph has studied the role of shame and humiliation in the male terrorist psyche. Biddulph’s examines not only terrorists but also to other acts of wanton violence by males, such as the mass shootings that are so common in the USA. Biddulph’s point of departure is the 2014 hostage crisis at the Lindt Cafe in Sydney where a lone deranged gunman held 18 people hostage in a siege that resulted in his death, and the deaths of 2 hostages. The motives of the gunman, Man Haron Moris, are the subject of debate. Monis claimed to be acting in the name of the reviled terrorist group IS, even though subsequent attempts to identify any links between Monis and IS were unsuccessful.

“The role of shame and failure is now being given far greater prominence in understanding men who commit harm. Terrorism specialists such as France's Olivier Roy believe that this sense of worthlessness, rather than any after-the-fact "radicalisation", is the driving factor for violent acts, and if we ignore this we will not solve the problem.”
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-role-of-male-shame-in-violent-incidents-like-the-lindt-cafe-siege-20170611-gwp0iy.html

More general causal factors must include the social, political, religious and liberty situations in a terrorist's background. All these factors undoubtedly play a part in creating terrorists. Individual terrorists are made not born. Biddulph concludes:
“If we do not acknowledge what male disintegration looks like and include this in a more accurate, albeit broader definition of mental illness and potential for violence, then we may see far more blood on our streets.
If we so easily lend the cachet of terrorism to what would otherwise be simply horrible acts by pathetic men, then that makes them much more likely to recur. These are the acts of damaged and heartless men, and they are entirely predictable and preventable once we know what we are looking for.”

Is this an area that we should be exploring to help us identify potential mass shooters and terrorists and hopefully to prevent them doing harm to others in the future? Is this an area that we need to devise strategies to prevent the radicalisation of at-risk males into terrorists? If violeto nce by at risk individual's is "predictable and preventable" what should we be doing to intervene?

This is an interesting concept, Tweak, and I confess it never occurred to me nor have I ever seen a discussion of male personality disintegration and sense of worthlessness coupled with shame, failure and humiliation as precursors to violence committed by men. I understand you to be saying these are a cluster of negative experiences that leave a man vulnerable to acting out violently. "Vulnerable" suggests he is a victim of forces and choices he cannot control, doesn't it? I am not inclined to that characterization, since we are talking here of men who have agency and act out to redeem themselves, to gain some measure of success they have never experienced and thus rehabilitate their masculinity.

Are there any studies that link these characteristics, this need for masculine redemption to men who commit violence? If so, I wonder how convincing they are.

Although I understand why it was necessary to refer to 'other' social and cultural values, I think it is better to isolate the variables of interest to avoid confusion and picky criticism.

Also, aren't there other manifestations of male personality disintegration? Drug addiction? Compulsive gambling? Suicide?

I can't imagine how these individuals would be identified and at what time period in their lives. You can begin perhaps perusing some of the posts on this forum, I guess. . .

Interesting topic, Tweak. Too bad some individual posters hijacked your thread for their own irrelevant agenda. I commend your patience.