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tweakabelle -> What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 3:16:13 AM)
One of the more intractable aspects to countering terrorism has been getting into the minds of terrorists, understanding what causes an otherwise ordinary person to resort to desperate brutal acts. We are stumped by our inability to identify comprehensively the factors that cause mass shooters, lone wolf terrorists and terrorists generally. There is a lot of talk about preventing radicalisation of at-risk males but precious little in the way of results. If we can agree that the causes of an individual’s ‘radicalisation’ can be many and complex, then we need to look deeper than simplistic one-word or single concept explanations such as “ideology creates terrorists” or “terrorists hate our freedoms”. Mens advocate Steve Biddulph has studied the role of shame and humiliation in the male terrorist psyche. Biddulph’s examines not only terrorists but also to other acts of wanton violence by males, such as the mass shootings that are so common in the USA. Biddulph’s point of departure is the 2014 hostage crisis at the Lindt Cafe in Sydney where a lone deranged gunman held 18 people hostage in a siege that resulted in his death, and the deaths of 2 hostages. The motives of the gunman, Man Haron Moris, are the subject of debate. Monis claimed to be acting in the name of the reviled terrorist group IS, even though subsequent attempts to identify any links between Monis and IS were unsuccessful. “The role of shame and failure is now being given far greater prominence in understanding men who commit harm. Terrorism specialists such as France's Olivier Roy believe that this sense of worthlessness, rather than any after-the-fact "radicalisation", is the driving factor for violent acts, and if we ignore this we will not solve the problem.” http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-role-of-male-shame-in-violent-incidents-like-the-lindt-cafe-siege-20170611-gwp0iy.html More general causal factors must include the social, political, religious and liberty situations in a terrorist's background. All these factors undoubtedly play a part in creating terrorists. Individual terrorists are made not born. Biddulph concludes: “If we do not acknowledge what male disintegration looks like and include this in a more accurate, albeit broader definition of mental illness and potential for violence, then we may see far more blood on our streets. If we so easily lend the cachet of terrorism to what would otherwise be simply horrible acts by pathetic men, then that makes them much more likely to recur. These are the acts of damaged and heartless men, and they are entirely predictable and preventable once we know what we are looking for.” Is this an area that we should be exploring to help us identify potential mass shooters and terrorists and hopefully to prevent them doing harm to others in the future? Is this an area that we need to devise strategies to prevent the radicalisation of at-risk males into terrorists? If violence by at risk individual's is "predictable and preventable" what should we be doing to intervene successfully?

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 4:09:29 AM)
So your definition of terrorist is someone who does brutal acts? Why dont we start with what crime is the crime of terrorism? A brutal act? Does it apply to any brutal act? Nations like the US and UK or just individuals? Seems to me that before we can analyse the minds of terrorists we must fist understand exactly what crime is associated with the word? More general causal factors must include the social, political, religious and liberty situations in a terrorist's background. All these factors undoubtedly play a part in creating terrorists. Individual terrorists are made not born. Sounds like a nation state to me, the UK and US comes to mind, they invaded nearly every country on the planet, like state like individual? Western State terrorism = ok , Individual terrorism = criminal sound about right? I have a solution, ban religion, ban politics, and ban liberty, and ban the nation states that created it.

Greta75 -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 4:10:55 AM)
In Singapore, we just arrested a young Female potential Terrorist planning to join ISIS. Basically her parents were suppose to certified Quran experts. Educaters of Islam. But specifically in my country, this part is government controlled on what content of Islam they are allowed to teach. Many things from the Quran are deemed not compatible with our civil laws, so they cannot teach those things. So instead, she learnt from her parents and learnt from ISIS through online about Islam. She went from a teenager who dressed normal like a non-Muslim to starting to dress like Saudi women, in full black and veil, only eyes on show. And through her own rationalization, she realises ISIS represents the truest form of Islam and believes Islam that is practiced in Singapore is oppressed to the fullest extent. And that is why she signed up for ISIS to fight oppression of Islam, and make sure the true Islam gets practiced world wide. The problem is the religion. Period. Learn the rationalization of these self-radicalised teens. How can ISIS possibly convert people unless they are using the Quran and Hadith as their back up to tell them why this is what Allah wants. And they can back it up with respected religious text from their mutual religion. And alot of these kids joining ISIS, they probably aren't bad kids. They are religious kids. They believe this is what the Quran wants them to do. That's why they do it. Qur'an 4:95 "Not equal are believers who sit home and receive no hurt and those who Fight in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a grade higher to those who Fight with their possessions and bodies to those who sit home. Those who Fight He has distinguished with a special reward." Damn fucking Quran rewarding violence. PS: The biggest joke is, when their daughter was arrested, the family tried to destroy evidence of her link to ISIS. So now we are considering to jail the whole family too. The father claim some bullshit that he tried to stop her but he regrets not reporting her. Not reporting a family member who is involve with ISIS is now a crime too in my country. We have a hotline for this and plenty of ads constantly running to report your family if they have hook up with ISIS. In Islamic families, it's impossible for the parents not to know. As it always starts with the kids questioning the parents on their Islamic Faith, and arguing with them why ISIS is the legit Islam. We have a rehabilitation program for these kids. So we are urging all the Muslim parents to turn in their kids. Because ISIS is reaching all the young ones.

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 4:13:06 AM)
So then joining isis is terrorism? Fighting the oppression of islam is terrorism? Religion is terrorism maybe? Someone tell me wth terrorism is? I can imagine sitting in court listening to a judge saying you are being charged with crime of religion.

Greta75 -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 4:19:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne So then joining isis is terrorism? Fighting the oppression of islam is terrorism? Religion is terrorism maybe? Someone tell me wth terrorism is? I can imagine sitting in court listening to a judge saying you are being charged with crime of religion. In Singapore, showing any support of ISIS or any intention to join them, or even praising ISIS online is a jailable offense immediately. No excuse. ISIS goal is to take as many lives as possible from all the different countries of the world. To even show verbal support for a group who's intention is to kill people, is a crime now, of course I don't live in a nation who has freedom of speech. So we can implement these things.

WhoreMods -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 4:21:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne So your definition of terrorist is someone who does brutal acts? Why dont we start with what crime is the crime of terrorism? A brutal act? Does it apply to any brutal act? Nations like the US and UK or just individuals? Seems to me that before we can analyse the minds of terrorists we must fist understand exactly what crime is associated with the word? Your google fu is weak, moron.

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 4:35:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne So then joining isis is terrorism? Fighting the oppression of islam is terrorism? Religion is terrorism maybe? Someone tell me wth terrorism is? I can imagine sitting in court listening to a judge saying you are being charged with crime of religion. In Singapore, showing any support of ISIS or any intention to join them, or even praising ISIS online is a jailable offense immediately. No excuse. ISIS goal is to take as many lives as possible from all the different countries of the world. To even show verbal support for a group who's intention is to kill people, is a crime now, of course I don't live in a nation who has freedom of speech. So we can implement these things. I never heard of a universal crime before, so why dont we make a list and get our calculators and add up how many bad things we can lump into the crime we call terrorism? Its a new age, it used to be murder was one crime rape was another extortion was another but its really cool because we now have one label for anything we want to call crime.

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 4:38:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne So your definition of terrorist is someone who does brutal acts? Why dont we start with what crime is the crime of terrorism? A brutal act? Does it apply to any brutal act? Nations like the US and UK or just individuals? Seems to me that before we can analyse the minds of terrorists we must fist understand exactly what crime is associated with the word? Your google fu is weak, moron. I realize your favorite pastime is endlessly blathering on, but I prefer to start a supposed academic discussion knowing the exact definition of the words being used if its all the same to you. Definitions of terrorism From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Terrorism There is no universal agreement on the definition of terrorism.[1][2] Various legal systems and government agencies use different definitions.

Greta75 -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 4:38:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne I never heard of a universal crime before, so why dont we make a list and get our calculators and add up how many bad things we can lump into the crime we call terrorism? Its a new age, it used to be murder was one crime rape was another extortion was another but its really cool because we now have one label for anything we want to call crime. Personally, I think my country should let those who wanna join ISIS just go join ISIS, strip them of their citizenship and deny them entry back. This is the better solution. And those who praise ISIS online. Send them packing to ISIS. They will cry and beg to come back, and we won't accept them back too. This will personally in my opinion be the better solution. But my country wants to save the people who wants to join ISIS. So rehabilitation program, part of jail time, is instilled instead. Terrorism to me is an organization influencing people to go do something to kill a whole loads of people. To me, Islam is terrorism, because the Quran promotes terrorism. So a whole world wide organization, called Islam, that has 1.6billion followers, either funding their activities with their wealth or personally participating in violent activities, follows a book that promotes Terrorism. Those who claim that most of the 1.6billion have not personally attacked you yet, read the Quran again. It clearly states, alternatively, just use their wealth. Not all have to use their brawn.

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 4:41:53 AM)
Makes sense, give every political group an island state and each to their own. We stay here they stay there and everyone is happy, or why not just ban religion, ban liberty, ban politics, and social whatever?

tweakabelle -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 4:46:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 In Singapore, we just arrested a young Female potential Terrorist planning to join ISIS. [snip] The problem is the religion. Period. [snip] We have a rehabilitation program for these kids. So we are urging all the Muslim parents to turn in their kids. Because ISIS is reaching all the young ones. The OP is concerned only with males who commit terrorists or acts of mass violence. There are certainly grounds for studying acts carried out by females but they are beyond the scope of the OP. "The problem is the religion. Period." This claim may partially describe the individual case you posted but it hardly applies to say, an atheist terrorist or mass shooter - and there are plenty of both. For instance, most left wing terrorists have no religious motivations whatsoever. And there are plenty of irreligious mass shooters. So claims such as this aren't particularly helpful. I would be interested to see something about the rehabilitation process you mentioned. Is there a link you can provide to enable access to study it? I'd be grateful if you could. We might also note that rehabilitation occurs after the terrorist/mass shooter has been arrested. The OP is more concerned with identifying factors that precede the act of violence/arrest.

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 4:48:28 AM)
But zionism is atheist and look how they perpetrate war and murder enmassenburger. Zionism is a state religion, holocaust dissent is heresy and punishable by several years imprisonment in europe. How does ANYTHING escape religion? All I see here is one faulty premise built upon another, and we are supposed to discuss it academically? For real?

tweakabelle -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 4:51:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne But zionism is atheist and look how they perpetrate war and murder enmassenburger. I quite agree that the Israeli Defence Forces are one of the world's biggest best equipped and most ruthless terrorist groups. However the OP is concerned with acts of violence carried out by non-State actors. So perhaps another thread would be a better place to discuss this point. It's outside the scope of this thread.

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 4:54:09 AM)
Who does not belong to a state this day in age? The individual is a single member of a state. Even with that brings us back to how does any individual or group escape religion? What is a working definition for the crime of terrorism, we dont know, and its the supposed basis for yout OP

WhoreMods -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 4:56:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 In Singapore, we just arrested a young Female potential Terrorist planning to join ISIS. [snip] The problem is the religion. Period. [snip] We have a rehabilitation program for these kids. So we are urging all the Muslim parents to turn in their kids. Because ISIS is reaching all the young ones. The OP is concerned only with males who commit terrorists or acts of mass violence. There are certainly grounds for studying acts carried out by females but they are beyond the scope of the OP. "The problem is the religion. Period." This claim may partially describe the individual case you posted but it hardly applies to say, an atheist terrorist or mass shooter - and there are plenty of both. For instance, most left wing terrorists have no religious motivations whatsoever. And there are plenty of irreligious mass shooters. So claims such as this aren't particularly helpful. I would be interested to see something about the rehabilitation process you mentioned. Is there a link you can provide to enable access to study it? I'd be grateful if you could. We might also note that rehabilitation occurs after the terrorist/mass shooter has been arrested. The OP is more concerned with identifying factors that precede the act of violence/arrest. If the problem was the religion alone, then all moslems would be terrorists, rather than a fairly small minority. I know that the more hysterical and sissified Americans on here like to insist that that this is the only factor at work, but they're just as stupid and ill-informed as they are wussy and infantile, so their argument about this shouldn't be taken very seriously, at least until such time as they can explain why daesh, black september, the plo etc are terrorists, but the provos, the UDA, contras, LTTE, basque separatists, Baader-Meinhoff group, etc aren't.

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 4:59:56 AM)
Which brings us full circle, what is religion for 10000? what is terrorism 1000? How can we figure out what makes a terrorist when we dont even know wth terrorism is [8\|]

WhoreMods -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 5:03:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne But zionism is atheist and look how they perpetrate war and murder enmassenburger. I quite agree that the Israeli Defence Forces are one of the world's biggest best equipped and most ruthless terrorist groups. However the OP is concerned with acts of violence carried out by non-State actors. So perhaps another thread would be a better place to discuss this point. It's outside the scope of this thread. As is the definition of terrorism. However, conspiracy boy's loathing of the international zionist conspiracy takes precedence over any discussion of other matters, rationality or facts if he can invent even the most feeble excuse to stink up a thread about another subject with it. I'm surprised you haven't noticed.

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 5:06:23 AM)
We have a thread based on popular 'buzz' words and no reasonable argument in fact. I merely gave an example, so tell us WTF terrorism is, WTF religion is so we know what the hell we are talking about, babylon boy You are attempting to discuss a subject with no clue what the definitions are for the words you are using, fucking laughable.

WhoreMods -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 5:14:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne We have a thread with no reasonable argument in fact. I merely gave an example, so tell us WTF terrorism is, WTF religion is so we know what the hell we are talking about, babylon boy You are attempting to discuss a subject with no clue what the definitions are for the words you are using, fucking laughable. There's a link to a definition of terrorism in post six, fuckwit. Here it is again. Try reading it before you make an even bigger tit of yourself than you have already. You've already passed Chesty Morgan territory and are zooming towards the late Lola Ferrarri's cup size.

Real0ne -> RE: What makes a terrorist? (6/14/2017 5:20:45 AM)
your definition: terrorist noun A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. ‘four commercial aircraft were hijacked by terrorists’ ‘a suspected terrorist’ adjective attributive Unlawfully using violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. ‘a terrorist organization’ ‘terrorist attacks’ Origin Late 18th century: from French terroriste, from Latin terror (see terror). The word was originally applied to supporters of the Jacobins in the French Revolution, who advocated repression and violence in pursuit of the principles of democracy and equality. So then all we need do is pass laws against mooslums so then its lawful intimidation against civilians, and violence if they dont comply just like any other religion eh? Since we are talking about crime how about posting a legal definition? ....and for the individual when your big sister beats you up for calling her names that makes her a terrorist right?

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