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The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 1:32:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Basically there are only 5% Asians in the US, but Ivy League Universities can have as much as 20% Asians in it, too many top scoring Asians.

So basically, too many Asians are getting perfect scores and now thanks to affirmative action to balance the racial profile in schools. Many perfect scoring Asians are denied a place in college, as they do not want to exceed a certain number of Asian Americans in their schools.

When I was reading this today, I feel like this is just like Malaysia, where, they make the race quota for Chinese Asians into their local Universities very very small, as if they don't, then very few Malays will be able to get entry into University, as the Chinese Asians or even Indian Asians will grab them all IF they go by grades alone and also Extra Curriculum achievements.

So this is how it's like. University entry is no longer on meritocracy. If your race is too over-achieving on studies. They will not allow you entry, even if you scored better than the other races. Sad states of affairs.

Fair or not Fair? Should race quota be allowed in Universities? I personally think it should always be purely by meritocracy. Screw the race quota.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/2015/06/01/college-counselors-advise-some-asian-students-appear-less-asian/Ew7g4JiQMiqYNQlIwqEIuO/story.html

In a 2014 lawsuit against Harvard and the University of North Carolina, the nonprofit Students For Fair Admission allege that both schools discriminate against Asian applicants in favor of less qualified African-American and Latino students. The suit cited a 2009 Princeton University study of seven top colleges that concluded an Asian applicant needed an average 1460 SAT score to be admitted, while whites with similar academic qualifications needed 1320, Hispanics 1190, and blacks 1010.



That is so discriminatory, because Asians put more studying hours than other races! And are forced to study from day to night from 2 years old, no play time, all work and no play for Asian kids. And penalised for their hard work. No other races do that, that's why their grades are lower, because they put in lesser work. Like just watch a documentary of a poor China kids. On top of walking miles to school, having to do back breaking farm work in their rural area, they still score straight A's. They sacrifice sleep to study. Work like a dog. No time for play, no rest. No taking it easy. They earned it. And I'm talking about like 8 yr olds. By the time they grow up, they are trained to work this hard always. And take such punishing schedules and lifestyles.

Like if ya got a Tiger mom, there is seriously ZERO play time.

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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 3:29:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Any idea how much a university education costs in the 'States, Greta? It's not a particularly meritocratic set up from the off.

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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 4:04:09 AM   
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Martin Luther King would be a Republican today.

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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 4:55:11 AM   
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Any idea how much a university education costs in the 'States, Greta? It's not a particularly meritocratic set up from the off.


which doesn't negate greta's point. acceptance is ostensibly based on merit regardless of ability to pay or how much things cost.

additionally, costs vary greatly between colleges and there is either always somewhere affordable, or ways to make the college of your choice affordable.

not only that, but top students academically, athletically or musically, are sought after and provided for.

unfortunately at the same time some colleges are denying high achieving students from asia due to discriminatory affirmative action/diversity plans, other colleges are allowing students in who don't have the academic experience, ability or motivation to succeed there.


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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 4:55:24 AM   
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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 5:00:49 AM   
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Any idea how much a university education costs in the 'States, Greta? It's not a particularly meritocratic set up from the off.


which doesn't negate greta's point. acceptance is ostensibly based on merit regardless of ability to pay or how much things cost.

additionally, costs vary greatly between colleges and there is either always somewhere affordable, or ways to make the college of your choice affordable.

not only that, but top students academically, athletically or musically, are sought after and provided for.

unfortunately at the same time some colleges are denying high achieving students from asia due to discriminatory affirmative action/diversity plans, other colleges are allowing students in who don't have the academic experience, ability or motivation to succeed there.




The color of the skin is all that matters and "liberals" are good with this

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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 5:02:51 AM   
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Martin Luther King would be a Republican today.


its interesting---an internet search gives the reader bunches of "king was a republican" and "king was NOT a republican" articles and websites.

the only way to answer that definitively would be to see voter registration information.

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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 5:03:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		So 5% of the population is Asian, yet top schools allot up to 20% of their admissions to Asians...and you think ASIANS are discriminated against?

Sure doesn't look that way.


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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 5:08:07 AM   
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Martin Luther King would be a Republican today.


its interesting---an internet search gives the reader bunches of "king was a republican" and "king was NOT a republican" articles and websites.

the only way to answer that definitively would be to see voter registration information.


What I meant by that is King famously said that judging people by their skin color rather than the content of their character is wrong

And all leftists care about is skin color. Many of them are literally insane about judging people by their skin color. "Check your privilege cracker' and all that, while the rest show their consent through their silence

EXAMPLE:

HuffPo, Others Appear to Say Warmbier's 'White Privilege' Makes NK Capture His Fault

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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 5:11:01 AM   
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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 5:21:50 AM   
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Which is why King lead marches for the rights of all different skin colors, and is the hero of Asians, Native Americans, Hispanics and Armenians.


"No college for you!" - the alt left college Nazis

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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 5:24:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Then fund public college for all. Write your GOP legislators and get them on it.

Ivy League schools are private institutions. You want government control of them, get on it.

The GOP are in charge. Don't like things, change them.

Any little bitch can whine.

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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 5:24:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		yes I made that connection...and wouldn't it be interesting to see how the comrades of today would receive him. im leaning towards "uncle tom."

as a couple of asides---I spent some time at a highly reputed 50k a year school in the south that had a sort of "geographical diversity" practice. you could be valedictorian of your class but if they already had some acceptances from your neck of the woods, the likelihood of getting accepted was diminished.

I believe ive shared this one before. I had a phone interview for a faculty position and one of the search committee asked me what I thought about "diversity." I said when I was most recently in grad school I had friends and taught students from all over the world and loved that, but unfortunately, "diversity" was all too often defined by skin color or cultural background as opposed to social/political thought. you could have heard a pin drop on the phone reaffirming what i suspected, that I knew as I was giving that answer the chance for my getting that position flew right out the window.

have shared this one before too: I had another phone interview for a position where the fellow said "if it was up to me, id hire you on the spot, but unfortunately youre the wrong color or gender."

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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 5:28:49 AM   
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In fact, it's a full on committee affair, followed by chief academic officer interviews, and then it's the call of the provost and then the president.

So in short -- bullshit.

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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 5:32:22 AM   
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Then fund public college for all. Write your GOP legislators and get them on it.

Ivy League schools are private institutions. You want government control of them, get on it.

The GOP are in charge. Don't like things, change them.

Any little bitch can whine.


If the taxpayers paid everyone's utility bills, a lot more people would leave doors and windows open with the heat or the air conditioner running full blast. If taxpayers paid for auto care, people wouldn't worry as much about changing their oil, driving hard and doing burnouts etc.

Free college for everyone would ruin college. It is something that people should respect, and if it were free people would treat it like a rented mule. Things are already bad enough with all of the communist propaganda they push, now you want to make it completely worthless

Just like it's wrong the way people abuse their bodies with drugs and alcohol, don't work out and eat garbage then demand that taxpayers pay their medical bills





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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 5:35:31 AM   
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Any idea how much a university education costs in the 'States, Greta? It's not a particularly meritocratic set up from the off.


It depends on the University.

It could cost 300k to 500k for harvard, but for a state university or a lower one, it could be as cheap as 14 to 20k per year for a foreigner. Not sure what local American pays but for state University, might even be cheaper for them. I always assume we foreigners get quoted inflated pricing, which is fair, I feel, we should pay more.

What has price got to do with anything? The education is not free.

Meritocracy is about grades. IF you got top grades, you will be eligible for scholarships anyway!

My own brother is a foreigner and went to the US and got the scholarship because of his SAT scores. My parents didn't even have to pay for his education in the US.

That's how Meritocracy works. You get good grades. You get in. But he also didn't go to Ivy League. There are more Asian quota in lower Universities I guess. Ivy League, with the competition among Asians and the quota for them, he wouldn't get in.My brother's SATs was definitely above the qualifying 1450 region.

And the best part is, he didn't even have to attend high school to take it. You are British, you might be familiar with O'levels. After his O'levels, he took his SATs immediately right after, as well so he can get into an American University. So he actually did worst for his O'levels, and he found SATs so much easier to score good. And he did this at 16 too.

The other thing also for lesser American University, they accept O'levels without SATs for entrance. I was accepted into a US university with my own O'levels too at 16. I believe most American kids only do SATs at 18yrs old. But I chose to go Australia instead as I prefer Australia as a country to be in. No snow. Warmer. Authentic Asian food. I hate the cold.

But my own journey with education, I gave up my education for love. So I didn't graduate. But I just don't like race quota for anything. It's not like Asians cheat at exams. They study damn fucking hard. And their parents push them very hard. It's very punishing, their study schedule. And many endured beatings for anything less than full marks to get there.

Other races don't go through such a regime. I believe if you put any race through an Asian education regime. I guarantee, they will all easily get full SAT scores. But there may be alot of child abuse involve to get there.

I just feel so bad for these Asian kids, knowing what they go through and not having a childhood to be perfect scoring machines for their parents. And then the Ivy League rejecting them as too many of them are too brilliant and there is a race quota. They seriously earned it the hard way. No cheating, no short cuts. They work their whole childhood off.


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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 5:48:17 AM   
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Then fund public college for all. Write your GOP legislators and get them on it.

Ivy League schools are private institutions. You want government control of them, get on it.

The GOP are in charge. Don't like things, change them.

Any little bitch can whine.


If the taxpayers paid everyone's utility bills, a lot more people would leave doors and windows open with the heat or the air conditioner running full blast. If taxpayers paid for auto care, people wouldn't worry as much about changing their oil, driving hard and doing burnouts etc.

Free college for everyone would ruin college. It is something that people should respect, and if it were free people would treat it like a rented mule. Things are already bad enough with all of the communist propaganda they push, now you want to make it completely worthless

Just like it's wrong the way people abuse their bodies with drugs and alcohol, don't work out and eat garbage then demand that taxpayers pay their medical bills





Then stop whining about college as it is today then.

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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 5:55:00 AM   
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Then fund public college for all. Write your GOP legislators and get them on it.

Ivy League schools are private institutions. You want government control of them, get on it.

The GOP are in charge. Don't like things, change them.

Any little bitch can whine.


If the taxpayers paid everyone's utility bills, a lot more people would leave doors and windows open with the heat or the air conditioner running full blast. If taxpayers paid for auto care, people wouldn't worry as much about changing their oil, driving hard and doing burnouts etc.

Free college for everyone would ruin college. It is something that people should respect, and if it were free people would treat it like a rented mule. Things are already bad enough with all of the communist propaganda they push, now you want to make it completely worthless

Just like it's wrong the way people abuse their bodies with drugs and alcohol, don't work out and eat garbage then demand that taxpayers pay their medical bills





Then stop whining about college as it is today then.


Shut up your damn self, idiot troll

I will post what I want

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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 5:56:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		So...you like college as it is, don't want to change it . . .

Nothing on the topic then . . .

But YOU'RE not the troll.


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RE: The Asian Penalty for US College Entry - 6/22/2017 5:57:36 AM   
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So...you like college as it is, don't want to change it . . .

Nothing on the topic then . . .

But YOU'RE not the troll.




Whatever dude. You are really unglued

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