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WinsomeDefiance -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 3:44:26 PM)

Tamaka, if you want to understand the history of Gay Pride, research the historical struggles gay,lesbian and, transgender, individuals have faced. The attacks, social stigmas, religious reprogramming and legal and civil rights injustices. Read accounts of the cost those who stood proud and out paid.





tamaka -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 3:58:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

Tamaka, if you want to understand the history of Gay Pride, research the historical struggles gay,lesbian and, transgender, individuals have faced. The attacks, social stigmas, religious reprogramming and legal and civil rights injustices. Read accounts of the cost those who stood proud and out paid.




I'm not trying to dismiss the history of gays. I remember when Ellen came on tv years ago and when it came out she was gay, she lost the show. Now she's back.... good for her. I love her and i watch her show often. All i am saying is should people really be dancing in the streets and marching in parades with rainbows everywhere BECAUSE they are gay? At some point it seems a bit nuts.




Real0ne -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:05:51 PM)

FR

The real issue is society designed this bell curve they call normal, (which is anything but normal), then forced it upon us through statist religion as well as various mainstream churches. If you do not fit neatly into that bell you are a fucking wierdo and outcast, scorned and condemned as satans spawn. Its the same problem that repeats itself throughout history, my religion or the hiway.

Otherwise yeh they are trying to give themselves a shot in the arm or drown their guilt, pick your poison.






blnymph -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:08:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka
... All i am saying is should people really be dancing in the streets and marching in parades with rainbows everywhere BECAUSE they are gay? At some point it seems a bit nuts.



Why not?

If you are too ... why not celebrate with them?
If you aren't ... why is it any of your business?

Any concerns about Chinese New Year celebrations if you aren't chinese? St Patrick's day but not Irish yourself?

Not joining carnival in Venice if you aren't Venitian?

Never been at a birthday party of someone else because it is not YOUR birthday?







BoscoX -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:10:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

FR

The real issue is society designed this bell curve they call normal, (which is anything but normal), then forced it upon us through statist religion as well as various mainstream churches. If you do not fit neatly into that bell you are a fucking wierdo and outcast, scorned and condemned as satans spawn. Its the same problem that repeats itself throughout history, my religion or the hiway.

Otherwise yeh they are trying to give themselves a shot in the arm or drown their guilt, pick your poison.





Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat's Islam.




tamaka -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:12:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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ORIGINAL: tamaka
... All i am saying is should people really be dancing in the streets and marching in parades with rainbows everywhere BECAUSE they are gay? At some point it seems a bit nuts.



Why not?

If you are too ... why not celebrate with them?
If you aren't ... why is it any of your business?

Any concerns about Chinese New Year celebrations if you aren't chinese? St Patrick's day but not Irish yourself?

Not joining carnival in Venice if you aren't Venitian?

Never been at a birthday party of someone else because it is not YOUR birthday?




Sure... i get what you're saying, but it seems to be everywhere. Like now on FB there's a rainbow flag thing. I mean, if we are going to give so much attention and support to one group of people, what about the rest of us?




tamaka -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:14:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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The real issue is society designed this bell curve they call normal, (which is anything but normal), then forced it upon us through statist religion as well as various mainstream churches. If you do not fit neatly into that bell you are a fucking wierdo and outcast, scorned and condemned as satans spawn. Its the same problem that repeats itself throughout history, my religion or the hiway.

Otherwise yeh they are trying to give themselves a shot in the arm or drown their guilt, pick your poison.





Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat's Islam.

... and Christianity.




BoscoX -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:25:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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The real issue is society designed this bell curve they call normal, (which is anything but normal), then forced it upon us through statist religion as well as various mainstream churches. If you do not fit neatly into that bell you are a fucking wierdo and outcast, scorned and condemned as satans spawn. Its the same problem that repeats itself throughout history, my religion or the hiway.

Otherwise yeh they are trying to give themselves a shot in the arm or drown their guilt, pick your poison.





Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat's Islam.

... and Christianity.



Christianity is all but dead. Where in the modern world is anyone treated by Christians the way Muslims treat gays and women and Christians and Jews etc

Any Christian who acts like Muslims often do are violating the teachings of the New Testament.

Islam really is a statist religion and all that, complete with the "Satan spawn" blah blah blah and they mean it, and they will kill you for having even straight sex in many places if you aren't married together

It's like night and day, the differences between the Christian west and Islam and it is surprising that you can't see that on your own




vincentML -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:27:17 PM)


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So it's not a leftist thing


My posts are not complicated, you should get your head checked out because you are constantly lost in these conversations

You are having a great deal of trouble following fairly simple and straightforward posts

Identity politics, tribal politics, hate politics based on dividing people by color and gender and sexual identity etc etc etc are very much alt left things, and alt left radicals have totally hijacked the 'Gay Pride' idea for partisan political purposes which have nothing to do with sexual identity, except to USE our differences to promote hate and fear and violence

Gay Republicans (or the lack thereof) were never mentioned on my part until you stumbled blindly into the conversation making these bizarre assumptions about things I didn't post

It is a "Leftist" thing in Russia where gays are persecuted.

The "gay pride" agenda was not hijacked by the Left. It fell to the Left by default after Republican and Christian Right Nuttery rejection and persecution.

You need only remind yourself of Anita Bryant's "Save Out Children" campaign in 1977 to overturn a Dade County, Florida non-discrimination ordinance.

Anita claimed that the ordinance discriminated against her right to teach her children biblical morality. It was a well-organized campaign that initiated a bitter political fight between unprepared gay activists and highly motivated Christian fundamentalists. When the repeal of the ordinance went to a vote, it attracted the largest response of any special election in Dade County's history, passing by 70%.[note 1] In response to this vote, a group of gay and lesbian community members formed Pride South Florida, now known as Pride Fort Lauderdale, an organization whose mission was to fight for the rights of the gay and lesbian community in South Florida.

[BIG SNIP]

Mike Thompson discovered in a poll taken in March 1977 that women in Dade County opposed repealing the measure two to one; they saw their gay friends as relatively harmless. Save Our Children's strategy, therefore, worked to prove that homosexuals were amoral, promiscuous, and defiant of traditional gender roles, and that they were a specific danger to children.[16] Bryant took this strategy as a crusade, delivering speeches that intoned that Dade County's passing of the ordinance "guts the law on the side of the unrighteous. If homosexuals are allowed to change the law in their favor, why not prostitutes, thieves, or murderers?"[17] She specifically connected homosexuals with child molesters, saying "Some of the stories I could tell you of child recruitment and child abuse by homosexuals would turn your stomach."[17] Bryant resented the media depiction of her as hateful, saying that her inspiration came "out of love—not only love for God's commandment and His word, but love for my children and yours. Yes, and even love for all sinners—even homosexuals."[18]
SOURCE

So, Tamaka, that's how Gay Pride was born. And that is one of the commonalities that President Putin of Russia has with the Christian Right in America.







vincentML -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:29:02 PM)

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Where in the modern world is anyone treated by Christians the way Muslims treat gays


Russia.




Musicmystery -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:29:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

So it's not a leftist thing


My posts are not complicated, you should get your head checked out because you are constantly lost in these conversations

You are having a great deal of trouble following fairly simple and straightforward posts

Identity politics, tribal politics, hate politics based on dividing people by color and gender and sexual identity etc etc etc are very much alt left things, and alt left radicals have totally hijacked the 'Gay Pride' idea for partisan political purposes which have nothing to do with sexual identity, except to USE our differences to promote hate and fear and violence

Gay Republicans (or the lack thereof) were never mentioned on my part until you stumbled blindly into the conversation making these bizarre assumptions about things I didn't post

Well gosh.

If identity politics based on dividing people by sexual identity are very much alt left things, that makes the Log Cabin Republicans very much alt left.

I wonder if they're aware, and what they'd think of their new alt left status you've conferred upon them?




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:32:25 PM)

It's is so apparent now, because people were celebrating that marriage was legal for gay/lesbian couples.

I've marched in LGBT "parades" which were actually protests, that ended at the steps of the State Capital.
I did my own happy dance in private, when gay marriage was legalized.

There is still a social and religious stigma to being gay/lesbian. Some people make a point of showing support, even when it isn't something that effects them personally, because they believe in equality of rights. Some just do it because it's the current fad.

I say any chance you get to dance in the street, go for it. Celebrate Life. Celebrate the art of celebrating.




vincentML -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:32:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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I don't get the whole 'Pride' thing. Proud of what exactly? I mean, is a guy proud because he gets an erection when he sees another guy naked?


It's about overcoming societal stigmas and celebrating and loving who you are, however you identify sexually

ETA, it's been rather hijacked for partisan political purposes by alt left radicals though

Clearly

You first comment was remarkably humane. Kudos.

Too bad you spoiled it by politicizing.




BoscoX -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:33:56 PM)


What kind of stupidity are you preaching now

Soviet Socialists literally destroyed Russian Christianity. Tortured priests and nuns etc, mass murdered them as if the KGB were Islamic Mullahs or something

And the church certainly hasn't recovered from that. What you are seeing in Russia is the musty remnant of authoritarian socialism, your own disease




Real0ne -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:33:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

FR

The real issue is society designed this bell curve they call normal, (which is anything but normal), then forced it upon us through statist religion as well as various mainstream churches. If you do not fit neatly into that bell you are a fucking wierdo and outcast, scorned and condemned as satans spawn. Its the same problem that repeats itself throughout history, my religion or the hiway.

Otherwise yeh they are trying to give themselves a shot in the arm or drown their guilt, pick your poison.





Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat's Islam.



Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaats the US, Thaaaaaaaaaaats the UK, Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaats all of europe, Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaats all gubmints that do not respect peoples religions, and all religions that do not respect other religions.

the moral of the story who gives a rats ass what religion anyone is as long as its not forced upon you?










vincentML -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:35:06 PM)

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So if i identify as a slut and a whore i should march in a parade and tell everyone how awesome i am because i love to suck cock and be fucked all of the time?


Sounds like a great plan to me. [sm=popcorn.gif]




vincentML -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:37:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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I doubt they would kick you out


Ok. Well i don't understand why people's private sex lives are something to march in a parade about but... whatever.


It's not so private if you can lose your job, lose everything just because the wrong person finds out about it. Hiding in shame because of something you have no control over is hell

Excellent observation, Bosco. [sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif]




vincentML -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:40:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I don't. I'm being honest. From everything i've ever read, gays wish that they weren't gay. They were born this way and they often have prayed that God would fix them and make them straight. In any case, it's a personal struggle. Now they put rainbows on everything and use the word PRIDE (isn't that one of the 7 Deadly Sins).


Really, you should broaden your reading. Most of what you said is not true, imo.





vincentML -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:43:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


What kind of stupidity are you preaching now

Soviet Socialists literally destroyed Russian Christianity. Tortured priests and nuns etc, mass murdered them as if the KGB were Islamic Mullahs or something

And the church certainly hasn't recovered from that. What you are seeing in Russia is the musty remnant of authoritarian socialism, your own disease

Eastern Orthodox Christianity is very much alive in Russia.

Orthodox Christianity (Russian: Православие Pravoslavije), is Russia’s traditional and largest religion, deemed part of Russia‘s “historical heritage” constitutionally.




BoscoX -> RE: PRIDE (6/23/2017 4:47:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I don't. I'm being honest. From everything i've ever read, gays wish that they weren't gay. They were born this way and they often have prayed that God would fix them and make them straight. In any case, it's a personal struggle. Now they put rainbows on everything and use the word PRIDE (isn't that one of the 7 Deadly Sins).


Really, you should broaden your reading. Most of what you said is not true, imo.




They might barely have a pulse

To claim they or any church has control over or are behind official Russian government actions against gays is absurd

Those are your peeps, doing that




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