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BoscoX -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 5:31:00 AM)

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I don't get the whole 'Pride' thing. Proud of what exactly? I mean, is a guy proud because he gets an erection when he sees another guy naked?


It's about overcoming societal stigmas and celebrating and loving who you are, however you identify sexually

ETA, it's been rather hijacked for partisan political purposes by alt left radicals though

Clearly

Sure. That's why there are no gay Republicans...totally a "leftist" thing.

/sarcasm


Determined as ever to be willfully ignorant, I see [:D]

Pro-Trump LGBT group says it was denied float in gay pride parade

There ya go....pro-Trump gays. Not so leftist.

Naturally the leftists and Trumpers don't get along, any more than the straight ones do.

You think the log cabin Republicans allow Hilary supporters to join?


I think they would include them a lot quicker than Hillary supporters would include the republicans, but I am not sure what difference it would make. One is a political party and the other is a parade that is supposed to celebrate being free to be who you are.


Exactly. Hardly a "leftist" thing.



So now one single person's opinion, or rather a guess - is all of that and more. [:D]




vincentML -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 7:22:34 AM)

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What kind of stupidity are you preaching now

Soviet Socialists literally destroyed Russian Christianity. Tortured priests and nuns etc, mass murdered them as if the KGB were Islamic Mullahs or something

And the church certainly hasn't recovered from that. What you are seeing in Russia is the musty remnant of authoritarian socialism, your own disease

Eastern Orthodox Christianity is very much alive in Russia.

Orthodox Christianity (Russian: Православие Pravoslavije), is Russia’s traditional and largest religion, deemed part of Russia‘s “historical heritage” constitutionally.


Like everywhere else, they are not religious

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But for most Russians, the return to religion did not correspond with a return to church. Across all three waves of ISSP data, no more than about one-in-ten Russians said they attend religious services at least once a month. The share of regular attenders (monthly or more often) was 2% in 1991, 9% in 1998 and 7% in 2008. This suggests that although many more Russians now freely identify with the Orthodox Church or other religious groups, they may not be much more religiously observant than they were in the recent past, at least in terms of attendance at religious services.


Christianity is all but dead

Russia is no longer a socialist paradise. It is a kleptocracy. You, nor anyone of us, knows whether the Orthodox Church is getting a cut of the pie in the back room. Surveys of the populace are useless in an authoritarian regime.




vincentML -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 7:28:21 AM)

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Obama and Hillary USED gays, and anyone with half a mind knows they were vehemently against gay marriage etc before they realized they could use the rainbow coalition to further divide Americans for political purposes

Or, like good politicians they listened to their constituencies.




Musicmystery -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 7:47:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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What kind of stupidity are you preaching now

Soviet Socialists literally destroyed Russian Christianity. Tortured priests and nuns etc, mass murdered them as if the KGB were Islamic Mullahs or something

And the church certainly hasn't recovered from that. What you are seeing in Russia is the musty remnant of authoritarian socialism, your own disease

Eastern Orthodox Christianity is very much alive in Russia.

Orthodox Christianity (Russian: Православие Pravoslavije), is Russia’s traditional and largest religion, deemed part of Russia‘s “historical heritage” constitutionally.


Like everywhere else, they are not religious

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But for most Russians, the return to religion did not correspond with a return to church. Across all three waves of ISSP data, no more than about one-in-ten Russians said they attend religious services at least once a month. The share of regular attenders (monthly or more often) was 2% in 1991, 9% in 1998 and 7% in 2008. This suggests that although many more Russians now freely identify with the Orthodox Church or other religious groups, they may not be much more religiously observant than they were in the recent past, at least in terms of attendance at religious services.


Christianity is all but dead

Russia is no longer a socialist paradise. It is a kleptocracy. You, nor anyone of us, knows whether the Orthodox Church is getting a cut of the pie in the back room. Surveys of the populace are useless in an authoritarian regime.

Well, to be fair, the US is a kleptocracy now as well.




Musicmystery -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 7:48:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I don't get the whole 'Pride' thing. Proud of what exactly? I mean, is a guy proud because he gets an erection when he sees another guy naked?


It's about overcoming societal stigmas and celebrating and loving who you are, however you identify sexually

ETA, it's been rather hijacked for partisan political purposes by alt left radicals though

Clearly

Sure. That's why there are no gay Republicans...totally a "leftist" thing.

/sarcasm


Determined as ever to be willfully ignorant, I see [:D]

Pro-Trump LGBT group says it was denied float in gay pride parade

There ya go....pro-Trump gays. Not so leftist.

Naturally the leftists and Trumpers don't get along, any more than the straight ones do.

You think the log cabin Republicans allow Hilary supporters to join?


I think they would include them a lot quicker than Hillary supporters would include the republicans, but I am not sure what difference it would make. One is a political party and the other is a parade that is supposed to celebrate being free to be who you are.


Exactly. Hardly a "leftist" thing.



So now one single person's opinion, or rather a guess - is all of that and more. [:D]

When that "one person" shares facts instead of opinions, yes.

You really don't know the difference, do you.




BoscoX -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 7:51:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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What kind of stupidity are you preaching now

Soviet Socialists literally destroyed Russian Christianity. Tortured priests and nuns etc, mass murdered them as if the KGB were Islamic Mullahs or something

And the church certainly hasn't recovered from that. What you are seeing in Russia is the musty remnant of authoritarian socialism, your own disease

Eastern Orthodox Christianity is very much alive in Russia.

Orthodox Christianity (Russian: Православие Pravoslavije), is Russia’s traditional and largest religion, deemed part of Russia‘s “historical heritage” constitutionally.


Like everywhere else, they are not religious

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But for most Russians, the return to religion did not correspond with a return to church. Across all three waves of ISSP data, no more than about one-in-ten Russians said they attend religious services at least once a month. The share of regular attenders (monthly or more often) was 2% in 1991, 9% in 1998 and 7% in 2008. This suggests that although many more Russians now freely identify with the Orthodox Church or other religious groups, they may not be much more religiously observant than they were in the recent past, at least in terms of attendance at religious services.


Christianity is all but dead

Russia is no longer a socialist paradise. It is a kleptocracy. You, nor anyone of us, knows whether the Orthodox Church is getting a cut of the pie in the back room. Surveys of the populace are useless in an authoritarian regime.


From Wikipedia, and a guy who looks kind of like a pirate

Soviet tactics[edit]
The tactics varied over the years and became more moderate or more harsh at different times. Among common tactics included confiscating church property, ridiculing religion, harassing believers, and propagating atheism in the schools. Actions toward particular religions, however, were determined by State interests, and most organized religions were never outlawed.

Some actions against Orthodox priests and believers along with execution included torture, being sent to prison camps, labour camps or mental hospitals.[25][26][27][28] Many Orthodox (along with peoples of other faiths) were also subjected to psychological punishment or torture and mind control experimentation in order to force them to give up their religious convictions (see Punitive psychiatry in the Soviet Union).[26][27][29] During the first five years of Soviet power, the Bolsheviks executed 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and over 1,200 Russian Orthodox priests. Many others were imprisoned or exiled.[2]

In the Soviet Union, in addition to the methodical closing and destruction of churches, the charitable and social work formerly done by ecclesiastical authorities was taken over by the state. As with all private property, Church owned property was confiscated into public use. The few places of worship left to the Church were legally viewed as state property which the government permitted the church to use.

Protestant Christians in the USSR (Baptists, Pentecostals, Adventists etc.) in the period after the Second world war were compulsively sent to mental hospitals, or endured trials and imprisonment (often for refusal to enter military service). Some were even compulsively deprived of parental rights.[30]




LadyPact -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 8:03:38 AM)

<FR>

It occurs to me that, when I'm the best leather historian on the boards, y'all are in trouble. [:)]

I'd be willing to bet the farm that half of the people on these forums don't even know why Pride is in June.

For the ignorant, the very first Pride was held in NYC on the first anniversary of the Stonewall riots. The first Pride was held on June 28, 1970. Exactly one year after Stonewall. Today, Pride is held in over 128 counties cross the world.

You shouldn't ask me why I march at Pride. You should ask yourself why you don't.




vincentML -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 8:47:55 AM)


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What kind of stupidity are you preaching now

Soviet Socialists literally destroyed Russian Christianity. Tortured priests and nuns etc, mass murdered them as if the KGB were Islamic Mullahs or something

And the church certainly hasn't recovered from that. What you are seeing in Russia is the musty remnant of authoritarian socialism, your own disease

Eastern Orthodox Christianity is very much alive in Russia.

Orthodox Christianity (Russian: Православие Pravoslavije), is Russia’s traditional and largest religion, deemed part of Russia‘s “historical heritage” constitutionally.


Like everywhere else, they are not religious

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But for most Russians, the return to religion did not correspond with a return to church. Across all three waves of ISSP data, no more than about one-in-ten Russians said they attend religious services at least once a month. The share of regular attenders (monthly or more often) was 2% in 1991, 9% in 1998 and 7% in 2008. This suggests that although many more Russians now freely identify with the Orthodox Church or other religious groups, they may not be much more religiously observant than they were in the recent past, at least in terms of attendance at religious services.


Christianity is all but dead

Russia is no longer a socialist paradise. It is a kleptocracy. You, nor anyone of us, knows whether the Orthodox Church is getting a cut of the pie in the back room. Surveys of the populace are useless in an authoritarian regime.


From Wikipedia, and a guy who looks kind of like a pirate

Soviet tactics[edit]
The tactics varied over the years and became more moderate or more harsh at different times. Among common tactics included confiscating church property, ridiculing religion, harassing believers, and propagating atheism in the schools. Actions toward particular religions, however, were determined by State interests, and most organized religions were never outlawed.

Some actions against Orthodox priests and believers along with execution included torture, being sent to prison camps, labour camps or mental hospitals.[25][26][27][28] Many Orthodox (along with peoples of other faiths) were also subjected to psychological punishment or torture and mind control experimentation in order to force them to give up their religious convictions (see Punitive psychiatry in the Soviet Union).[26][27][29] During the first five years of Soviet power, the Bolsheviks executed 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and over 1,200 Russian Orthodox priests. Many others were imprisoned or exiled.[2]

In the Soviet Union, in addition to the methodical closing and destruction of churches, the charitable and social work formerly done by ecclesiastical authorities was taken over by the state. As with all private property, Church owned property was confiscated into public use. The few places of worship left to the Church were legally viewed as state property which the government permitted the church to use.

Protestant Christians in the USSR (Baptists, Pentecostals, Adventists etc.) in the period after the Second world war were compulsively sent to mental hospitals, or endured trials and imprisonment (often for refusal to enter military service). Some were even compulsively deprived of parental rights.[30]

Yeah, great, Bosco. But we are no longer dealing with the Soviet Union. Not since 1989. Try to keep up.




BitaTruble -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 10:17:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

It occurs to me that, when I'm the best leather historian on the boards, y'all are in trouble. [:)]



I shoulda done more homework but I thought I had this down cold.

I hate being in truble.

[8D]

Wtf? Edits to get rid of the empty space.




BoscoX -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 10:27:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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What kind of stupidity are you preaching now

Soviet Socialists literally destroyed Russian Christianity. Tortured priests and nuns etc, mass murdered them as if the KGB were Islamic Mullahs or something

And the church certainly hasn't recovered from that. What you are seeing in Russia is the musty remnant of authoritarian socialism, your own disease

Eastern Orthodox Christianity is very much alive in Russia.

Orthodox Christianity (Russian: Православие Pravoslavije), is Russia’s traditional and largest religion, deemed part of Russia‘s “historical heritage” constitutionally.


Like everywhere else, they are not religious

quote:

But for most Russians, the return to religion did not correspond with a return to church. Across all three waves of ISSP data, no more than about one-in-ten Russians said they attend religious services at least once a month. The share of regular attenders (monthly or more often) was 2% in 1991, 9% in 1998 and 7% in 2008. This suggests that although many more Russians now freely identify with the Orthodox Church or other religious groups, they may not be much more religiously observant than they were in the recent past, at least in terms of attendance at religious services.


Christianity is all but dead

Russia is no longer a socialist paradise. It is a kleptocracy. You, nor anyone of us, knows whether the Orthodox Church is getting a cut of the pie in the back room. Surveys of the populace are useless in an authoritarian regime.


From Wikipedia, and a guy who looks kind of like a pirate

Soviet tactics[edit]
The tactics varied over the years and became more moderate or more harsh at different times. Among common tactics included confiscating church property, ridiculing religion, harassing believers, and propagating atheism in the schools. Actions toward particular religions, however, were determined by State interests, and most organized religions were never outlawed.

Some actions against Orthodox priests and believers along with execution included torture, being sent to prison camps, labour camps or mental hospitals.[25][26][27][28] Many Orthodox (along with peoples of other faiths) were also subjected to psychological punishment or torture and mind control experimentation in order to force them to give up their religious convictions (see Punitive psychiatry in the Soviet Union).[26][27][29] During the first five years of Soviet power, the Bolsheviks executed 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and over 1,200 Russian Orthodox priests. Many others were imprisoned or exiled.[2]

In the Soviet Union, in addition to the methodical closing and destruction of churches, the charitable and social work formerly done by ecclesiastical authorities was taken over by the state. As with all private property, Church owned property was confiscated into public use. The few places of worship left to the Church were legally viewed as state property which the government permitted the church to use.

Protestant Christians in the USSR (Baptists, Pentecostals, Adventists etc.) in the period after the Second world war were compulsively sent to mental hospitals, or endured trials and imprisonment (often for refusal to enter military service). Some were even compulsively deprived of parental rights.[30]

Yeah, great, Bosco. But we are no longer dealing with the Soviet Union. Not since 1989. Try to keep up.


We were "dealing with" it in the thread above

Are you suffering some extreme memory issues?




LadyPact -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 10:44:30 AM)

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Tell me how you're with dealing it.

You sit in your armchairs Never having a f^cking clue.



And the last person you KNEW who was actually in FEAR of losing their job, or their home, or the custody of their kids?

Before anyone talks big, I'm going to remind you,gently, that I've been outed, and all that comes from it.




BoscoX -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 11:06:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Tell me how you're with dealing it.

You sit in your armchairs Never having a f^cking clue.



And the last person you KNEW who was actually in FEAR of losing their job, or their home, or the custody of their kids?

Before anyone talks big, I'm going to remind you,gently, that I've been outed, and all that comes from it.



Guess you really told me [:D]




thishereboi -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 11:12:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I don't get the whole 'Pride' thing. Proud of what exactly? I mean, is a guy proud because he gets an erection when he sees another guy naked?


It's about overcoming societal stigmas and celebrating and loving who you are, however you identify sexually

ETA, it's been rather hijacked for partisan political purposes by alt left radicals though

Clearly

Sure. That's why there are no gay Republicans...totally a "leftist" thing.

/sarcasm


Determined as ever to be willfully ignorant, I see [:D]

Pro-Trump LGBT group says it was denied float in gay pride parade

There ya go....pro-Trump gays. Not so leftist.

Naturally the leftists and Trumpers don't get along, any more than the straight ones do.

You think the log cabin Republicans allow Hilary supporters to join?


I think they would include them a lot quicker than Hillary supporters would include the republicans, but I am not sure what difference it would make. One is a political party and the other is a parade that is supposed to celebrate being free to be who you are.


Exactly. Hardly a "leftist" thing.



So now one single person's opinion, or rather a guess - is all of that and more. [:D]


Are you honestly claiming there are no gays on the right side of the political spectrum?

And since you are keeping track, that's 2 people who think it's hardly a leftist thing




BoscoX -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 11:15:51 AM)


I am going to add a couple of things to that.

1. You don't know me, it is unwise to assume things about me when you have no clue

2. How has it escaped you that I do not wear my personal life on my sleeves around here. You facilitate an army of shit eating, mindless little trolls who use anything that is posted in the ugliest ways they can imagine

3. We weren't discussing Pride at all, the thread had drifted considerably. You excoriated me about a statement I made about the Soviet Union




BoscoX -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 11:17:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I don't get the whole 'Pride' thing. Proud of what exactly? I mean, is a guy proud because he gets an erection when he sees another guy naked?


It's about overcoming societal stigmas and celebrating and loving who you are, however you identify sexually

ETA, it's been rather hijacked for partisan political purposes by alt left radicals though

Clearly

Sure. That's why there are no gay Republicans...totally a "leftist" thing.

/sarcasm


Determined as ever to be willfully ignorant, I see [:D]

Pro-Trump LGBT group says it was denied float in gay pride parade

There ya go....pro-Trump gays. Not so leftist.

Naturally the leftists and Trumpers don't get along, any more than the straight ones do.

You think the log cabin Republicans allow Hilary supporters to join?


I think they would include them a lot quicker than Hillary supporters would include the republicans, but I am not sure what difference it would make. One is a political party and the other is a parade that is supposed to celebrate being free to be who you are.


Exactly. Hardly a "leftist" thing.



So now one single person's opinion, or rather a guess - is all of that and more. [:D]


Are you honestly claiming there are no gays on the right side of the political spectrum?

And since you are keeping track, that's 2 people who think it's hardly a leftist thing


Try as you might, you will never find where I posted that being gay is a leftist thing. MM twisted my words and you fell for his trollish stupidity




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 11:23:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

<FR>

It occurs to me that, when I'm the best leather historian on the boards, y'all are in trouble. [:)]

I'd be willing to bet the farm that half of the people on these forums don't even know why Pride is in June.

For the ignorant, the very first Pride was held in NYC on the first anniversary of the Stonewall riots. The first Pride was held on June 28, 1970. Exactly one year after Stonewall. Today, Pride is held in over 128 counties cross the world.

You shouldn't ask me why I march at Pride. You should ask yourself why you don't.


My suggestion that she read up (educate) herself on the history was to subtle, but here you go doing her homework for her.




Musicmystery -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 11:43:12 AM)

Then apparently you have as much trouble with clarity in writing as you do with reading comprehension.




LadyPact -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 11:45:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Tell me how you're with dealing it.

You sit in your armchairs Never having a f^cking clue.



And the last person you KNEW who was actually in FEAR of losing their job, or their home, or the custody of their kids?

Before anyone talks big, I'm going to remind you,gently, that I've been outed, and all that comes from it.



Guess you really told me [:D]

Dude, don't be a dick I'm not in the mood.





BoscoX -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 11:49:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Then apparently you have as much trouble with clarity in writing as you do with reading comprehension.


Why not try to find where I posted that "there are no gay Republicans" yourself, idiot

You're so smart and have such great reading comprehension, it should be a breeze for you




BoscoX -> RE: PRIDE (6/24/2017 11:53:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Tell me how you're with dealing it.

You sit in your armchairs Never having a f^cking clue.



And the last person you KNEW who was actually in FEAR of losing their job, or their home, or the custody of their kids?

Before anyone talks big, I'm going to remind you,gently, that I've been outed, and all that comes from it.



Guess you really told me [:D]

Dude, don't be a dick I'm not in the mood.




You attacked me for agreeing with you 100%, now you are threatening me?

Whats the worst that can happen, your pet felchgoblin won't call me a "faggot" every day anymore?





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