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RE: PRIDE - 6/23/2017 4:49:09 PM

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I don't. I'm being honest. From everything i've ever read, gays wish that they weren't gay. They were born this way and they often have prayed that God would fix them and make them straight. In any case, it's a personal struggle. Now they put rainbows on everything and use the word PRIDE (isn't that one of the 7 Deadly Sins).

Really, you should broaden your reading. Most of what you said is not true, imo.

They might barely have a pulse

To claim they or any church has control over or are behind official Russian government actions against gays is absurd

You don't really know that. You are guessing hopefully. And I never made that claim btw.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/23/2017 4:49:13 PM

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It's is so apparent now, because people were celebrating that marriage was legal for gay/lesbian couples.

I've marched in LGBT "parades" which were actually protests, that ended at the steps of the State Capital.
I did my own happy dance in private, when gay marriage was legalized.

There is still a social and religious stigma to being gay/lesbian. Some people make a point of showing support, even when it isn't something that effects them personally, because they believe in equality of rights. Some just do it because it's the current fad.

I say any chance you get to dance in the street, go for it. Celebrate Life. Celebrate the art of celebrating.

Ok but people need to start getting it together, that is the popular mantra however it has nothing to do with 'equal' rights what so ever, it has to do with 'personal' rights 'PERIOD'.

That is all part of your religion, the state has no 'LEGITIMATE' jurisdiction to tell you what religion you must adhere to period. People really need to start getting their philosophy, metaphysics and theology in order before they lose everything they value in life to the state.

I would have thought the mormon thing would have awakened people but it didnt, now gay marriage and it isnt, too bad.

People need to wake up and start judging the judges and research the foundations of where they allegedly got the powers they claim, and try to validate it, it will be an eyeopener

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RE: PRIDE - 6/23/2017 4:52:22 PM

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What kind of stupidity are you preaching now

Soviet Socialists literally destroyed Russian Christianity. Tortured priests and nuns etc, mass murdered them as if the KGB were Islamic Mullahs or something

And the church certainly hasn't recovered from that. What you are seeing in Russia is the musty remnant of authoritarian socialism, your own disease

Eastern Orthodox Christianity is very much alive in Russia.

Orthodox Christianity (Russian: Православие Pravoslavije), is Russia’s traditional and largest religion, deemed part of Russia‘s “historical heritage” constitutionally.

Like everywhere else, they are not religious

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But for most Russians, the return to religion did not correspond with a return to church. Across all three waves of ISSP data, no more than about one-in-ten Russians said they attend religious services at least once a month. The share of regular attenders (monthly or more often) was 2% in 1991, 9% in 1998 and 7% in 2008. This suggests that although many more Russians now freely identify with the Orthodox Church or other religious groups, they may not be much more religiously observant than they were in the recent past, at least in terms of attendance at religious services.

Christianity is all but dead

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RE: PRIDE - 6/23/2017 5:09:33 PM

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Hang on, has there been an email campaign inviting selected people to a 'Nitwits' Pride' march, or something?

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RE: PRIDE - 6/23/2017 5:15:36 PM

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Being gay is not all about sex tamaka...

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RE: PRIDE - 6/23/2017 5:44:41 PM

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Being gay is not all about sex tamaka...

No i get that. Neither is being poly... i don't see them legalizing multi-marriages and celebrating 'Big Love'.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/23/2017 6:10:56 PM

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Gays have been discriminated against in this country and I'd say, world wide, throughout history... at least recent history. Most gays were afraid to let other people know their orientation. Only in the last few years has most of the US become at least tolerant of gays.

This tenuous tolerance has emboldened gays to throw of the yoke of shame and become proud of what they are... not easy to do even now. So yes gay pride is important to just say I am not dirty... I am not nasty... I am not perverted in the eyes of God...I am me and too damn bad if you don't like it.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/23/2017 10:02:14 PM

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I don't get the whole 'Pride' thing. Proud of what exactly? I mean, is a guy proud because he gets an erection when he sees another guy naked?

It's about overcoming societal stigmas and celebrating and loving who you are, however you identify sexually

ETA, it's been rather hijacked for partisan political purposes by alt left radicals though

Clearly

Sure. That's why there are no gay Republicans...totally a "leftist" thing.

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Pro-Trump LGBT group says it was denied float in gay pride parade

There ya go....pro-Trump gays. Not so leftist.

Naturally the leftists and Trumpers don't get along, any more than the straight ones do.

You think the log cabin Republicans allow Hilary supporters to join?

I think they would include them a lot quicker than Hillary supporters would include the republicans, but I am not sure what difference it would make. One is a political party and the other is a parade that is supposed to celebrate being free to be who you are.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/23/2017 11:31:11 PM

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Of course you don't..

I don't. I'm being honest. From everything i've ever read, gays wish that they weren't gay. They were born this way and they often have prayed that God would fix them and make them straight. In any case, it's a personal struggle. Now they put rainbows on everything and use the word PRIDE (isn't that one of the 7 Deadly Sins).

It seems like our country is not able to just handle things on an even keel (is that a word?). Everything in this country has to be one extreme or the other. A little balance might be nice for a change.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/23/2017 11:44:09 PM

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I don't get the whole 'Pride' thing. Proud of what exactly? I mean, is a guy proud because he gets an erection when he sees another guy naked?

It's about overcoming societal stigmas and celebrating and loving who you are, however you identify sexually

So if i identify as a slut and a whore i should march in a parade and tell everyone how awesome i am because i love to suck cock and be fucked all of the time?

Why not? If you can get a hetero woman's slut parade going, go for it. Could be fun.

On the other hand, if you don't like Pride marches, don't watch and don't join in.

You don't have to personally approve of people's lifestyles but you could just support their right to get on with them unmolested, including their right to have parties you don't want to attend.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/23/2017 11:51:59 PM

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I don't get the whole 'Pride' thing. Proud of what exactly? I mean, is a guy proud because he gets an erection when he sees another guy naked?

Depends on how old he is. But you may have something here. Maybe it does depend on his politics and religion.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/23/2017 11:54:03 PM

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Ok. Well i suppose that the pendulum has to swing far in the opposite direction before it can settle on a midpoint. It just seems a bit much for rainbows everywhere and parades to celebrate someone's sex life.

Like I edited into my first post, the whole idea has been rather hijacked by alt left radicals who operate on impure motives. Dividing the nation and sewing as much hate and division as possible is high on their agenda

See also "identity politics"

What any of the left does of that, they learned from right wing media since Clinton.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 12:06:38 AM

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What kind of stupidity are you preaching now

Soviet Socialists literally destroyed Russian Christianity. Tortured priests and nuns etc, mass murdered them as if the KGB were Islamic Mullahs or something

And the church certainly hasn't recovered from that. What you are seeing in Russia is the musty remnant of authoritarian socialism, your own disease

The Soviet socialists did no such thing. Stalin educated in a Catholic seminary school (Soviets) and the Catholic church jumped right in bed with each other as the Catholic church did with the Nazis. It was religious fascists meet political fascists.

Soviets divided the church and those who didn't jump on board were excommunicated or worse.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 1:18:36 AM

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Pro-Trump LGBT group says it was denied float in gay pride parade

The left doesn't have a Mike Pence.
You can't deny that the right's embrace of/refusal to denounce Christian homophobia is a huge part of why they appeal to only a very small minority of LGBTQ people.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 1:22:02 AM

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Pro-Trump LGBT group says it was denied float in gay pride parade

Probably because the left doesn't have a Mike Pence.

Obama and Hillary USED gays, and anyone with half a mind knows they were vehemently against gay marriage etc before they realized they could use the rainbow coalition to further divide Americans for political purposes

Don't believe me, look at their records

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 1:30:40 AM

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Pro-Trump LGBT group says it was denied float in gay pride parade

Probably because the left doesn't have a Mike Pence.

Obama and Hillary USED gays, and anyone with half a mind knows they were vehemently against gay marriage etc before they realized they could use the rainbow coalition to further divide Americans for political purposes

Don't believe me, look at their records

When? 30 years ago?

Politicians will say whatever they think the public wants to hear at the time... but you can't deny that the Democrats are the ones leading the way towards mainstream acceptance of homosexuals, and the Republicans are the one who want to reverse that progress.

Mike Pence supports conversion therapy, opposes gay marriage, has willfully associated himself with homophobic organizations, and is more likely to sign homophobic laws into being... you don't think he is a typical GOP 'Christian Fascist'?

Even if the Clintons personally despise gays, they're still going to follow their party's lead... and that lead is far more tolerant and far more open to different walks of life.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 1:44:52 AM

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Determined as ever to be willfully ignorant, I see

Pro-Trump LGBT group says it was denied float in gay pride parade

Probably because the left doesn't have a Mike Pence.

Obama and Hillary USED gays, and anyone with half a mind knows they were vehemently against gay marriage etc before they realized they could use the rainbow coalition to further divide Americans for political purposes

Don't believe me, look at their records

When? 30 years ago?

Politicians will say whatever they think the public wants to hear at the time... but you can't deny that the Democrats are the ones leading the way towards mainstream acceptance of homosexuals, and the Republicans are the one who want to reverse that progress.

Mike Pence supports conversion therapy, opposes gay marriage, has willfully associated himself with homophobic organizations, and is more likely to sign homophobic laws into being... you don't think he is a typical GOP 'Christian Fascist'?

Even if the Clintons personally despise gays, they're still going to follow their party's lead... and that lead is far more tolerant and far more open to different walks of life.

Your heroes are willing to say anything they don't believe and use anyone to gain as much power over your life as possible. There is something to be said for real and genuine and honorable, even if one doesn't always agree

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 1:56:16 AM

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Your heroes are willing to say anything they don't believe and use anyone to gain as much power over your life as possible. There is something to be said for real and genuine and honorable, even if one doesn't always agree

WTF?!
Politicians are SUPPOSED to cater to their voters' wants and needs and ignore their own personal feelings.
If they did only what they wanted to do, we wouldn't even have the semblance of democracy that we have now.

On the other hand, Pence is definitely sincere in his hatred and disgust for gays, and so is a member of the party that best enables and supports that.

The GOP has aligned itself with the homophobic/anti-science Christians, the gun nuts, the oil companies, disillusioned whites, the racists, the millionaires who hate paying taxes, etc... and the left has aligned itself with Hollywood, the mainstream media, minorities, and the poor.
This isn't a secret-- almost everyone knows this.

If you can't understand why a certain minority group would largely prefer not to vote for the people who have aligned themselves with groups that want to take away their rights, then I don't know how to reach you.

The only way that Trump/Pence could appeal to gays is if those gays are more interested in things like guns or tax breaks than they are in getting married or being equal in the eyes of the law... or I guess if they're religious or self-loathing or something.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 3:06:20 AM

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I don't. I'm being honest. From everything i've ever read, gays wish that they weren't gay. They were born this way and they often have prayed that God would fix them and make them straight. In any case, it's a personal struggle. Now they put rainbows on everything and use the word PRIDE (isn't that one of the 7 Deadly Sins).

Gee Tamaka you sound confused more than anything else to me. You tell us that "everything i've ever read, gays wish that they weren't gay", so it's not a surprise that you find the spectacle of people celebrating their queerness disconcerting. Especially disconcerting as it appears to you to be happening everywhere. Why are gays (who aren't supposed to like being gays according to what you have read) instead of being secretive and neurotic, out on the streets proclaiming to the world that they are happy and proud? According to what you have read, it simply shouldn't be happening, should it? One reason it happens is to make it crystal clear to folks like you who have a false impression of queers that their understanding of queers leaves a lot to be desired.

You are having a problem reconciling what you have read, and what you see and hear all around you. It's obvious to me that whatever it is you have been reading has given you a completely false impression of queers, one that is impossible to reconcile with the reality you see all around you. It ought to obvious to you that your reading on queer issues doesn't describe the reality that you see.

I have a sneaking suspicion that you have been raised on a diet of religiously-inspired homophobic accounts of queers and queer issues. Treat yourself to some impartial* accounts of the history of queers, and discard the crap you have been unfortunate enough to read to date, crap that has obviously distorted the way you understand queers and queer issues and created a false and inadequate understanding.

* or in the interests of the balance you approve of some sympathetic accounts of queers and queer history and issues.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 5:26:12 AM

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I don't get the whole 'Pride' thing. Proud of what exactly? I mean, is a guy proud because he gets an erection when he sees another guy naked?

It's about overcoming societal stigmas and celebrating and loving who you are, however you identify sexually

ETA, it's been rather hijacked for partisan political purposes by alt left radicals though

Clearly

Sure. That's why there are no gay Republicans...totally a "leftist" thing.

/sarcasm

Determined as ever to be willfully ignorant, I see

Pro-Trump LGBT group says it was denied float in gay pride parade

There ya go....pro-Trump gays. Not so leftist.

Naturally the leftists and Trumpers don't get along, any more than the straight ones do.

You think the log cabin Republicans allow Hilary supporters to join?

I think they would include them a lot quicker than Hillary supporters would include the republicans, but I am not sure what difference it would make. One is a political party and the other is a parade that is supposed to celebrate being free to be who you are.