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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 11:54:23 AM

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I don't get the whole 'Pride' thing. Proud of what exactly? I mean, is a guy proud because he gets an erection when he sees another guy naked?

It's about overcoming societal stigmas and celebrating and loving who you are, however you identify sexually

ETA, it's been rather hijacked for partisan political purposes by alt left radicals though

Clearly

Sure. That's why there are no gay Republicans...totally a "leftist" thing.

/sarcasm

There ya go!

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 11:55:30 AM

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Of course you don't..

I don't. I'm being honest. From everything i've ever read, gays wish that they weren't gay. They were born this way and they often have prayed that God would fix them and make them straight. In any case, it's a personal struggle. Now they put rainbows on everything and use the word PRIDE (isn't that one of the 7 Deadly Sins).

It seems like our country is not able to just handle things on an even keel (is that a word?). Everything in this country has to be one extreme or the other. A little balance might be nice for a change.

For me, poly is a choice.

You chose, too.

That chip you have on your shoulder is the whole potato.

LP,

For someone with such an extensive knowledge of the lifestyle LP, you seem pretty ignorant of what a slave is.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 11:58:18 AM

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I don't get the whole 'Pride' thing. Proud of what exactly? I mean, is a guy proud because he gets an erection when he sees another guy naked?

It's about overcoming societal stigmas and celebrating and loving who you are, however you identify sexually

ETA, it's been rather hijacked for partisan political purposes by alt left radicals though

Clearly

Sure. That's why there are no gay Republicans...totally a "leftist" thing.

/sarcasm

There ya go!

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"It" being the topic

What is the topic, I will give you three guesses. I'll even let you peek at the thread title

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 12:02:20 PM

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Do keep trying though, Mr Reading Comprehension lecturer dude

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 12:07:58 PM

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What kind of stupidity are you preaching now

Soviet Socialists literally destroyed Russian Christianity. Tortured priests and nuns etc, mass murdered them as if the KGB were Islamic Mullahs or something

And the church certainly hasn't recovered from that. What you are seeing in Russia is the musty remnant of authoritarian socialism, your own disease

Eastern Orthodox Christianity is very much alive in Russia.

Orthodox Christianity (Russian: Православие Pravoslavije), is Russia’s traditional and largest religion, deemed part of Russia‘s “historical heritage” constitutionally.

Like everywhere else, they are not religious

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But for most Russians, the return to religion did not correspond with a return to church. Across all three waves of ISSP data, no more than about one-in-ten Russians said they attend religious services at least once a month. The share of regular attenders (monthly or more often) was 2% in 1991, 9% in 1998 and 7% in 2008. This suggests that although many more Russians now freely identify with the Orthodox Church or other religious groups, they may not be much more religiously observant than they were in the recent past, at least in terms of attendance at religious services.

Christianity is all but dead

Russia is no longer a socialist paradise. It is a kleptocracy. You, nor anyone of us, knows whether the Orthodox Church is getting a cut of the pie in the back room. Surveys of the populace are useless in an authoritarian regime.

Well, to be fair, the US is a kleptocracy now as well.

The US always has been, as is every other so called da mobcracy, people are first begining to wake up to the reality of what the gubmint has done to them. Which is stablished itself as a religion, removing yours and mine all while bullshitting us that they are 'secular' so its impossible to be a religion and the people are such dumbasses they accept the state as the god and authority.

All this shit is cooked up by the legislature and the courts and we get to spend 100's of years fighting for rights long since taken away to get them beck sliver by miniscule sliver.

What a racket, what job protection, pontificate gays bad and people can spend trillions in court cases before its reversed.

The is the state imposes their religion and people are none the wiser, well most peole anyway.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 12:13:44 PM

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It occurs to me that, when I'm the best leather historian on the boards, y'all are in trouble.

I'd be willing to bet the farm that half of the people on these forums don't even know why Pride is in June.

For the ignorant, the very first Pride was held in NYC on the first anniversary of the Stonewall riots. The first Pride was held on June 28, 1970. Exactly one year after Stonewall. Today, Pride is held in over 128 counties cross the world.

You shouldn't ask me why I march at Pride. You should ask yourself why you don't.

Kleptocratic statist Religion v Your Religion

State takes one on the chin.

Dont forget all these bs laws made and imposed by the allegedly secular legislature is good for business. It generates countless court cases, keeps psychologists busy, family services denies one religion in favor of another and oils all those squeeky wheels of the 'machine'

Wish you were here

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 1:04:30 PM

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LP,

For someone with such an extensive knowledge of the lifestyle LP, you seem pretty ignorant of what a slave is.

That might be so. At the same time, I know I've spent a long time around here, in my position about gay rights. You might as well get used to it.

I came up in kink in Colorado. Yep. The state of hate. The first state to pass an actual LAW that said discrimination against a person for their sexual orientation was cool. Yeah, other states had these laws about congregating, and whatnot. That's a part of what Stonewall was about. If there was a birthplace to the gay movement that was it.

(Always know history, dude. Those who don't are condemned to repeat it.)

Whether y'all realize it or not, a lot of what you have now in kink culture, is in thanks to the gay culture. Terms like SSC, outing, Masters, slaves... All of that junk. Like it or not. Came from gay men.

As a personal note, it should shame the crap out of you that only I and Bita knew why Pride is held in June. Pick up a book, sometime.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 1:20:57 PM

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LP,

For someone with such an extensive knowledge of the lifestyle LP, you seem pretty ignorant of what a slave is.

That might be so. At the same time, I know I've spent a long time around here, in my position about gay rights. You might as well get used to it.

I came up in kink in Colorado. Yep. The state of hate. The first state to pass an actual LAW that said discrimination against a person for their sexual orientation was cool. Yeah, other states had these laws about congregating, and whatnot. That's a part of what Stonewall was about. If there was a birthplace to the gay movement that was it.

(Always know history, dude. Those who don't are condemned to repeat it.)

Whether y'all realize it or not, a lot of what you have now in kink culture, is in thanks to the gay culture. Terms like SSC, outing, Masters, slaves... All of that junk. Like it or not. Came from gay men.

As a personal note, it should shame the crap out of you that only I and Bita knew why Pride is held in June. Pick up a book, sometime.

I have no problem with gay rights, LP. My first sexual experience and actual relationship was with a woman in HS and everyone knew it. In English class once my teacher asked us how we felt about gays. I remember everyone kind of looking towards me, and i said i thought being gay was fine but you shouldn't flaunt it in everyone's face all of the time. I think here i am 35 years later, happy that gays have rights and everything, but thinking that some of this PRIDE stuff is just a bit over-the-top. If things were then the way they are now however, i think my life might have been different. Then again, probably not because of my parents. My kids however, can do whatever they want, and i encourage them to do so. No parades necessary.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 1:24:08 PM

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LP,

For someone with such an extensive knowledge of the lifestyle LP, you seem pretty ignorant of what a slave is.

That might be so. At the same time, I know I've spent a long time around here, in my position about gay rights. You might as well get used to it.

I came up in kink in Colorado. Yep. The state of hate. The first state to pass an actual LAW that said discrimination against a person for their sexual orientation was cool. Yeah, other states had these laws about congregating, and whatnot. That's a part of what Stonewall was about. If there was a birthplace to the gay movement that was it.

(Always know history, dude. Those who don't are condemned to repeat it.)

Whether y'all realize it or not, a lot of what you have now in kink culture, is in thanks to the gay culture. Terms like SSC, outing, Masters, slaves... All of that junk. Like it or not. Came from gay men.

As a personal note, it should shame the crap out of you that only I and Bita knew why Pride is held in June. Pick up a book, sometime.

I have no problem with gay rights, LP. My first sexual experience and actual relationship was with a woman in HS and everyone knew it. In English class once my teacher asked us how we felt about gays. I remember everyone kind of looking towards me, and i said i thought being gay was fine but you shouldn't flaunt it in everyone's face all of the time. I think here i am 35 years later, happy that gays have rights and everything, but thinking that some of this PRIDE stuff is just a bit over-the-top. If things were then the way they are now however, i think my life might have been different. Then again, probably not because of my parents. My kids however, can do whatever they want, and i encourage them to do so. No parades necessary.

PS good luck trying to shame me. Many have tried and failed.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 1:27:01 PM

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The concept of Gay Pride celebrations as a venue to overcome social stigmas really gets sabotaged by some of the gay community. At least that is the impression about U.S. pride celebrations in many cities. The parades in the U.S. often bring to mind the term "flaming queen". I don't think it is in any way conducive to alleviating social stigma to have a platoon of gay men walking around in leather chaps, leather vests, and nothing else. (Noted on the Vieux Carre this year in New Orleans.) The outrageous behaviors rather feed the stereotype of "gay is deviant and dangerous" to the mainstream. No, I don't want it banned. I do disagree it is about alleviating social stigma but is about shocking the breeders.

Just a quick comparison and contrast. Not cherry picking, you can do your own Google image search.

San Francisco, California, USA
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/97/d0/0f/97d00f1d4ac49fa8339b5fe86b3f2352.jpg

Paris, France
http://www.gaytravel4u.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/gay-pride-paris-1.jpg

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-08-15-NOTMC_855-thumb.jpg

Note: if you want outlandish, intentionally outlandish, catch the Fetish Parade in New Orleans on Halloween Night.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 2:03:49 PM

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I have no problem with gay rights, LP. My first sexual experience and actual relationship was with a woman in HS and everyone knew it.

I think this part of it can be discussed, elsewhere.

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In English class once my teacher asked us how we felt about gays. I remember everyone kind of looking towards me, and i said i thought being gay was fine but you shouldn't flaunt it in everyone's face all of the time.

I want you to think about that.

I don't "flaunt" my heterosexuality. In a normal 24 hour day, I'm just myself. (OK. Me, MP, two dogs, and two cats. Engie one or two times a week.)

Is it "flaunting" it when I kiss MP good-bye before he goes to work? When we hold hands in public? When the neighbors see us kiss, or hug, or any other expression of love? Should I have reason to call at work, does his boss acknowledge our relationship status?

The same stuff that MP and do that reflects our relationship, and we never give a second thought about, is what you call flaunting.

The next full day you spend with the M-type, think of how you get to flaunt your relationship.

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I think here i am 35 years later, happy that gays have rights and everything, but thinking that some of this PRIDE stuff is just a bit over-the-top.

That's what YOU think, because you're (mostly) het. Has your job ever been in danger because of your orientation? How about losing your house? Threat to your medical benefits, or the person you chose to make your end of life decisions can't see you, much less get a doc to listen?

Take a closer look at Pride. In that crowd, you'll see people who have experienced these things and more.

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If things were then the way they are now however, i think my life might have been different. Then again, probably not because of my parents. My kids however, can do whatever they want, and i encourage them to do so. No parades necessary.

Is that so? Check again.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 2:35:30 PM

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I don't get the whole 'Pride' thing. Proud of what exactly? I mean, is a guy proud because he gets an erection when he sees another guy naked?

It's about overcoming societal stigmas and celebrating and loving who you are, however you identify sexually

ETA, it's been rather hijacked for partisan political purposes by alt left radicals though

Clearly

Sure. That's why there are no gay Republicans...totally a "leftist" thing.

/sarcasm

There ya go!

Your idiocy re-quoted, as requested.

"It" being the topic

What is the topic, I will give you three guesses. I'll even let you peek at the thread title

Yep. Got it. And showed how your point about it was bat-shit stupid.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 2:38:30 PM

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No parades necessary.

Do you not sometimes consider that it's exactly because so many before you have fought so hard that people like you are able to go through your lives so easily and comfortably now? And if you don't carry on making noise, regularly, you'll get stamped down again? Even I consider that, often - and I'm a white, middle class male. Nonetheless as a kinkster I'm pretty damned sure that the gays of years gone by - the ones who shouted and argued and deliberately got in people's faces and would not give up - have made my life as comfy as it is now.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 2:42:07 PM

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I don't get the whole 'Pride' thing. Proud of what exactly? I mean, is a guy proud because he gets an erection when he sees another guy naked?

It's about overcoming societal stigmas and celebrating and loving who you are, however you identify sexually

ETA, it's been rather hijacked for partisan political purposes by alt left radicals though

Clearly

Sure. That's why there are no gay Republicans...totally a "leftist" thing.

/sarcasm

There ya go!

Your idiocy re-quoted, as requested.

"It" being the topic

What is the topic, I will give you three guesses. I'll even let you peek at the thread title

Yep. Got it. And showed how your point about it was bat-shit stupid.

So you wipe the shit off of your face, declare victory and slither away...

Just another day in paradise

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 2:43:56 PM

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Just pointing it out. It was an outrageous statement to make. Pride is not a leftist affair.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 2:53:33 PM

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Do you not sometimes consider that it's exactly because so many before you have fought so hard that people like you are able to go through your lives so easily and comfortably now? And if you don't carry on making noise, regularly, you'll get stamped down again? Even I consider that, often - and I'm a white, middle class male. Nonetheless as a kinkster I'm pretty damned sure that the gays of years gone by - the ones who shouted and argued and deliberately got in people's faces and would not give up - have made my life as comfy as it is now.

Thank you. That's part of the point.

ETA - So much of what we have now, we have because other people fought for it.

The stuff I do on the regular? My kink expression, my leatherism, my engaging BDSM *most* of the time? Those opportunities didn't just happen. Having that didn't just spring out of the ground. Other people WORKED for it.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 3:05:04 PM

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Just pointing it out. It was an outrageous statement to make. Pride is not a leftist affair.

No, that wasn't what I wrote either, and what I did write was an on point political observation that you cannot address without derailing into these typical wild-eyed debate fallacies of yours. You falsely attribute words to me that I did not post because your reading comprehension is terrible or your mind is shot

You may disagree with what I wrote but you have yet to address it like an adult. I seriously doubt that you even understand what I wrote, that you are capable of handling mature discussions about such things. All I ever see from you is that you are seriously just a troll

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 3:09:42 PM

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If you don't like what you wrote, then write more clearly.

You haven't offered ANYTHING refuting the point I raised -- just "Nuh-uh, troll," the usual silliness when you're caught with nothing.

Learn to write. Learn to comprehend the words you use.

Get literate. And take responsibility for what you say.

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 3:14:56 PM

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If you don't like what you wrote, then write more clearly.

You haven't offered ANYTHING refuting the point I raised -- just "Nuh-uh, troll," the usual silliness when you're caught with nothing.

Learn to write. Learn to comprehend the words you use.

Get literate. And take responsibility for what you say.

You didn't raise any point, you misattributed words to me that I did not write (twice in fact)

Then when you finally figured that part out after I explained it to you two or three times, you declared yourself a real winner

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RE: PRIDE - 6/24/2017 3:20:07 PM

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Ok. Well i suppose that the pendulum has to swing far in the opposite direction before it can settle on a midpoint. It just seems a bit much for rainbows everywhere and parades to celebrate someone's sex life.

Like I edited into my first post, the whole idea has been rather hijacked by alt left radicals who operate on impure motives. Dividing the nation and sewing as much hate and division as possible is high on their agenda

See also "identity politics"

Bosco/MM:

This is where the confusion lies in what Bosco wrote. Because you responded to my comment on parades with your "like i said..." comment above, you created a connection between the parade and the 'alt left radicals'. Later when you said that some Trump supporters wanted to march in the parade, you negated the idea that just leftist groups wanted to be in the parades.

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