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Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 12:17:58 AM

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Here's a beautiful story:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2017/jul/14/pitching-up-ancient-sports-for-children-in-irelands-most-ethnically-diverse-town

Ballyhaunis is a small conservative town in rural Western Ireland. The town had been monocultural for centuries with little or no experience of people from other countries and cultures. In recent years the town had an influx of migrants and refugees from places as far apart as Poland and Africa. You might think that the chances of successful integration would be slim but the people of Ballyhaunis rose to the challenge.

The lesson I took from this is that people can solve these issues where there's goodwill and a desire to succeed. If a small conservative rural town in Western Ireland can successfully transform itself to meet today's challenges, you would think that any where could succeed if the people there chose to make it work. Those who insist that multiculturalism doesn't work, that newcomers from distant and strange lands cannot be integrated successfully might have to think again.

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 12:47:43 AM

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I couldn't watch the entire video but it seems like an inspiring story. I expect there's more to it than what I could watch but my first thought is...are we seeing actual multiculturalism or is it assimilation with some cultural adaptation? Or is there any difference? It seems to me that in a town of roughly 3,000 it would be very difficult for newcomers to find a place to wall themselves off and create their own neighborhoods such as what happens in larger cities. Forcing them to be more adaptive to their immediate surroundings.

Thanks for posting something refreshing that doesn't have anything to do with Trump or Russia, tweak.

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 1:35:23 AM

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Which sock are you.

Now if I was you I would mull that over

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 1:44:23 AM

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Which sock are you.

Now if I was you I would mull that over

I don't wear socks.

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 4:53:47 AM

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I couldn't watch the entire video but it seems like an inspiring story. I expect there's more to it than what I could watch but my first thought is...are we seeing actual multiculturalism or is it assimilation with some cultural adaptation? Or is there any difference? It seems to me that in a town of roughly 3,000 it would be very difficult for newcomers to find a place to wall themselves off and create their own neighborhoods such as what happens in larger cities. Forcing them to be more adaptive to their immediate surroundings.

Thanks for posting something refreshing that doesn't have anything to do with Trump or Russia, tweak.

I'd have said it was more integration, myself.

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 8:38:38 AM

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As long as other cultures integrated and assimilated with the country's culture they choose to migrate to. There will be zero problems and it will be peaceful and they will all get along.

Trust me, most countries wouldn't want chinese people to practice their usual cultural practices in their countries.

First of all, their funerals are 5 days of non-stop noise racquet. So if you had a chinese neighbour who died, and usually the funeral is held in their homes. The noise racquet will drive you nuts. It's monks hitting stuffs and mumbling gibberish non stop. Not pleasant music.

Secondly, chinese people love to burn stuffs. I mean, giant paper houses, giant paper cars, whatever, because they believe in chinese hell and in chinese buddhism, all us are gonna be living in hell in our after-life indefinitely, so that's our beliefs, and it's the job of our descendants to support the dead ancestors, so their dead ancestors needs to kept supplied with all the everyday things, Money, House, Car, Clothes, whatever. And they do these burning at their houses too. They even write the names of the ancestors on those things so that when they burn them, and it doesn't go to the wrong person in hell.

When I say big paper house or big car, it is like, massive huge elephant size things. So the burning is huge flames. If you were neighbours, you'd get annoyed.

These are things I live with, as I don't believe in any of those things. But ashes flying into my home. And non stop noise racquets of funerals after funerals, because I live in an aging estate where alot of people are always dying. But I live in a Chinese country so I gotta put up with my chinese traditions.

I can't imagine other cultures being chill with all this and think it's so pleasant. Which is why when Chinese migrate, they stop doing these things in Western countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za_b8rD1ukA <-- here is a short clip of the fifth day, where they are walking the body to be cremated or buried. But the racquet in the beginning, that's 5 days and night of non-stop that! Without that more melodic chinese music that came in later in the video. At the Funeral, it's just non stop racquet and monks chanting gibberish.

I think we got the noisiest funeral in the world. I bet OP wouldn't want that in Australia! I think in western countries, funerals are held elsewhere. But the whole point of a chinese funeral is to deliver a body from their home to their after life. So chinese funerals are always held at home.

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 9:18:36 AM

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Is the goal to wipe out small communities of white conservatives wherever leftist trash finds them

Replace them all with little Mogadishus

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 9:35:41 AM

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Yes, that's it exactly. You found us out.

That's why arms sales are so high.

Wait 'til our new planes come in.

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 10:09:05 AM

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Oh gosh no. Let's all huddle in our own walled off neighborhoods and ignore the fact that the world is made up of OTHERS! OMG, Others!!

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 3:03:05 PM

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Those who insist that multiculturalism doesn't work, that newcomers from distant and strange lands cannot be integrated successfully might have to think again.

What do you mean 'think again'? They never thought in the first place. Most of all they never thought about how globalisation has changed their world and just how irrevocable is that change. I think this every time I hear some silly old dribbling fuckwit going on about Brexit in the pub, as his or her eyes go all misty at just how fine things were when we were fighting WW2. God, the sooner they're tucked comfily into their coffins the better, as far as I'm concerned.

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 3:04:44 PM

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!FR!

You know, folks, it's 2017. It's not a matter of multiculturalism working or not. It's simply the reality of our times.

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 3:31:41 PM

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so the takeaway point is exchange sports for going to church?

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 3:35:10 PM

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!FR!

You know, folks, it's 2017. It's not a matter of multiculturalism working or not. It's simply the reality of our times.

in a public venue there is no reason it shouldnt or wouldnt work as long as they keep the human sacrifices private?

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 5:15:57 PM

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!FR!

You know, folks, it's 2017. It's not a matter of multiculturalism working or not. It's simply the reality of our times.

in a public venue there is no reason it shouldnt or wouldnt work as long as they keep the human sacrifices private?

Right

Mixing a medieval bloodthirsty cult that demands total obedience to a primitive prudish god, with modern free peoples who enjoy their sex and drugs and walking around half naked can cause issues

Leftists try to pretend they know better but they're literally insane

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 5:48:51 PM

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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7e668728-5732-11db-9110-0000779e2340.html?ft_site=falcon&desktop=true#axzz4n8jBYFc9

quote:

A bleak picture of the corrosive effects of ethnic diversity has been revealed in research by Harvard University's Robert Putnam, one of the world's most influential political scientists.

His research shows that the more diverse a community is, the less likely its inhabitants are to trust anyone - from their next-door neighbour to the mayor.

This is a contentious finding in the current climate of concern about the benefits of immigration. Professor Putnam told the Financial Times he had delayed publishing his research until he could develop proposals to compensate for the negative effects of diversity, saying it "would have been irresponsible to publish without that".

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 5:50:38 PM

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!FR!

You know, folks, it's 2017. It's not a matter of multiculturalism working or not. It's simply the reality of our times.

in a public venue there is no reason it shouldnt or wouldnt work as long as they keep the human sacrifices private?

Right

Mixing a medieval bloodthirsty cult that demands total obedience to a primitive prudish god, with modern free peoples who enjoy their sex and drugs and walking around half naked can cause issues

Leftists try to pretend they know better but they're literally insane

Don't worry... Allah will take care of everything.

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 5:55:04 PM

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!FR!

You know, folks, it's 2017. It's not a matter of multiculturalism working or not. It's simply the reality of our times.

in a public venue there is no reason it shouldnt or wouldnt work as long as they keep the human sacrifices private?

Right

Mixing a medieval bloodthirsty cult that demands total obedience to a primitive prudish god, with modern free peoples who enjoy their sex and drugs and walking around half naked can cause issues

Leftists try to pretend they know better but they're literally insane

if thats the case you forgot:
to a primitive prudish god, or gubmint with modern free peoples

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/17/2017 8:01:34 PM

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The lesson I took from this is that people can solve these issues where there's goodwill and a desire to succeed.

Multiculturalism, the reality, not the right wing ideological pinata, has been working well with real people in Los Angeles, San Francisco, and New York City (where more than 70 languages are spoken daily) Probably other cities and towns as well. Multiculturalism is not an attack on western european culture; it is simply a call for inclusion and for preservation of immigrant cultures. It is an assertion of pride in the culture of our ancestors.

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/18/2017 12:35:17 AM

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The lesson I took from this is that people can solve these issues where there's goodwill and a desire to succeed.

Multiculturalism, the reality, not the right wing ideological pinata, has been working well with real people in Los Angeles, San Francisco, and New York City (where more than 70 languages are spoken daily) Probably other cities and towns as well. Multiculturalism is not an attack on western european culture; it is simply a call for inclusion and for preservation of immigrant cultures. It is an assertion of pride in the culture of our ancestors.

Yes. You are correct. Multiculturalism is simply a description of reality. In Sydney where I live, it has been estimated that over 140 languages are spoken in Sydney homes. 99% of us get along just fine tyvm. There is the occasional rm here and there, but they are likely to shouted down if they dare vent their hate in public.

I felt the Irish example was telling for a few reasons. Firstly the town had been monocultural for its entire history. Secondly rural western Ireland is a very conservative place, where Catholicism had been dominant for centuries and the locals tend to be resistant to change. Thirdly the townspeople had no experience of living with or dealing with foreigners, except (mainly American and continental) tourists. Fourthly the town is tiny, so any friction would be immediately apparent. So, integration had a few significant hurdles to jump if it was going to succeed. Many of the local factors tended to resist change, and Africans, Poles etc represented radical change to the locals.

The flip side of this is that if the town and its people could successfully integrate newcomers then there is no intrinsic reason why any town in the West generally couldn't do the same. In other places, the factors operating integration would probably be less significant and integration easier to accomplish. However one significant feature is the absence of any organised racist groups protesting against immigration and/or multiculturalism.*

One lesson from the Irish example is that if people are left to their own devices, successful adaption and integration can happen anywhere.

* The warm-hearted generosity of the residents of Ballyhaunis is in sharp contrast to the nasty ugliness of Bosco's rampant xenophobia and paranoia ("Is the goal to wipe out small communities of white conservatives wherever leftist trash finds them Replace them all with little Mogadishus" post #7). A salient example of how the origins of racism and hate are located in the ignorance and dark neurotic fears and insecurities of those who are terrified of any change.

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/18/2017 4:19:27 AM

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!FR!

You know, folks, it's 2017. It's not a matter of multiculturalism working or not. It's simply the reality of our times.

in a public venue there is no reason it shouldnt or wouldnt work as long as they keep the human sacrifices private?

Right

Mixing a medieval bloodthirsty cult that demands total obedience to a primitive prudish god, with modern free peoples who enjoy their sex and drugs and walking around half naked can cause issues

Leftists try to pretend they know better but they're literally insane

Don't worry... Allah will take care of everything.

So will straw men, apparently.

Don't y'all get tired of having fake discussions?

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