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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 12:49:34 PM   
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US relidiotcy and outdated views on monarchy . . .


Expound on that last in the bolded, if you would.

(This should be interesting.)

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 12:55:08 PM   
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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 1:00:05 PM   
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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 2:02:46 PM   
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You talk a great line but have you ever been on a regional committee to end violence in inner city high crime areas... I have... Have you ever reached out to offer jobs and train the otherwise unemployable in the disadvantaged inner city... I have. Have you ever participated in a voter registration drive in the inner city... I have


Whenever a poster here turns the issue personal as you have just done it is a sign that they are in denial. I say America has and continues to have a long history of racism and you turn to me and ask what have I ever done about it? Well, I will not get into the self serving rhetoric that you are indulging, Butch. I don't need validation as you seem to. It makes you feel good you did all those wonderful things, you are a magnificent human being. That's wonderful. But did you actually solve the inner city problems? I'll bet not. Have you done anything to at least remind white people of the larger problem? No, you haven't. You continue to blame black kids in impoverished neighborhoods for the circumstance of their birth.

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I believe in doing not talking and holding people accountable for their actions... It works better than burning and looting and protesting and not voting...and sure as hell works better than calling everyone racist.


Black people caught up in rebellion in the streets are acting out of frustration precisely because the proper people are not ever held accountable. Whenever we discuss black protest or street rioting without fail you never want to believe they might have frustrations and grievances as their cause. You knee jerk blame the blacks. A cop shoots an unarmed black man in the back, another is shot inches away through the open window while reaching for his wallet, another is strangled on a sidewalk in a choke hold crying "I can't breathe!" others are shot for acting out their mental disorders. . . and the cops always, ALWAYS get away with it. Where is accountability? There is none. That's why they are protesting in the streets. People of color seek respect and justice.

No, multiculturalism is not working, never has worked in America. Ask any Native American.

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 2:15:50 PM   
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Here's a beautiful story:


Tweaker, I respect your heart, I truly do . . .

But are you not invested enough in history as to understand or be aware of the fact that that for every "beautiful story" there are likely a thousand or more "ugly stories' which lead things to that point in the first place?

How many small towns in any country, or how many other small towns in Ireland, came to this same happy conclusion, all on their own?

Is this such a small town that they are so isolated as to preclude the population of any history? Or not having any of them aware of the beautiful (and ugly) stories and accounts from countries who've come through great struggle to get things where they are today, on a much larger scale, long before today? Or did they just come upon this sudden enlightenment all on their own?

It's a 'good story,' no question.

But there are hundreds of stories, both good and bad, which lead to this one, and will continue to lead to others, I'm sure.




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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 2:22:36 PM   
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over to you edwird - do you ever see me talk pish?

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 2:28:45 PM   
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You talk a great line but have you ever been on a regional committee to end violence in inner city high crime areas... I have... Have you ever reached out to offer jobs and train the otherwise unemployable in the disadvantaged inner city... I have. Have you ever participated in a voter registration drive in the inner city... I have


Whenever a poster here turns the issue personal as you have just done it is a sign that they are in denial. I say America has and continues to have a long history of racism and you turn to me and ask what have I ever done about it? Well, I will not get into the self serving rhetoric that you are indulging, Butch. I don't need validation as you seem to. It makes you feel good you did all those wonderful things, you are a magnificent human being. That's wonderful. But did you actually solve the inner city problems? I'll bet not. Have you done anything to at least remind white people of the larger problem? No, you haven't. You continue to blame black kids in impoverished neighborhoods for the circumstance of their birth.

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I believe in doing not talking and holding people accountable for their actions... It works better than burning and looting and protesting and not voting...and sure as hell works better than calling everyone racist.


Black people caught up in rebellion in the streets are acting out of frustration precisely because the proper people are not ever held accountable. Whenever we discuss black protest or street rioting without fail you never want to believe they might have frustrations and grievances as their cause. You knee jerk blame the blacks. A cop shoots an unarmed black man in the back, another is shot inches away through the open window while reaching for his wallet, another is strangled on a sidewalk in a choke hold crying "I can't breathe!" others are shot for acting out their mental disorders. . . and the cops always, ALWAYS get away with it. Where is accountability? There is none. That's why they are protesting in the streets. People of color seek respect and justice.

No, multiculturalism is not working, never has worked in America. Ask any Native American.

Tell you what, Vincent...I'll give some credence to what you're saying: I'm sure there's been innocent black people killed wrongly by cops. I'm sure that some black people march solely out of frustration over real injustices. And I'll concede that in some of these instances some white person or persons or he'll, just the WHOLE white race was responsible. It's been discussed on here.

Now then...are you even willing to consider that when a protest gets out of hand and buildings start being destroyed and cars go up in flames, that isn't on the white man? Are you even willing to concede that some blacks on poverty are there through their own poor choices? Or are you one of those "white-guilt"-ridden types who never sees any responsibility of the black race to do some things differently?

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 2:30:30 PM   
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Tell us a a good story


An accurate story (sorry if it's not "good story") is that a ton of strife occurred and multi-millions of people killed for centuries in effort to various forms of cultural integration or assimilation , and now this dinky little town in Ireland gets all the credit for positive outcome, as if by their own autonomous effort alone.



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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 2:39:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire
do you ever see me talk pish?


I'm culturally disinclined to know what "pish" is, but you've got the piffle and whiffle thing down pat.

Hope that helps.

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 2:43:19 PM   
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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 2:48:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Vince it is personal to me and it should be to you as well. Look into things a little closer and try to find solutions instead of blame. You are part of the problem just as much as those with prejudice in their heart. The more you accuse innocent people the less likely they are to listen to what you have to say. Every thread like this you accuse or insinuate that whoever disagrees with you is prejudice or blind to what is happening in America between races. I know you are sincere and a fair minded person but in everything the only way to get things done is through compromise and cooperation. The compromise is not in allowing wrongs to continue but realizing other fair minded people have different views and ideas on how to solve the problem and move forward.

I do not agree with your views that all black problems are the fault of white prejudice, notice I said all. I happen to believe most of the problems of African Americans today can only be remedied by African Americans themselves. If you and I were to set down without generalities and look at realities I know we could come to agree on what we think is a path to address the total problem not just one side. That goes for me as well I fully realize I do not have all the answers.

Butch



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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 2:49:38 PM   
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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 3:49:46 PM   
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You talk a great line but have you ever been on a regional committee to end violence in inner city high crime areas... I have... Have you ever reached out to offer jobs and train the otherwise unemployable in the disadvantaged inner city... I have. Have you ever participated in a voter registration drive in the inner city... I have


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Whenever a poster here turns the issue personal as you have just done it is a sign that they are in denial.


What you state is, in fact, the very reverse.

When one ignores the reality in front of him if not in service to ideology, something is definitely wrong.

Some people just read magazines and journals to explain to them what happens in real life. Others look at real life itself for explanation of real life.

It's not a perfect science, either way.

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But did you actually solve the inner city problems
?

Did you?

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Did you at least remind white people of the larger problem?


One would hope not.

One would hope that all the white and black and men and women police just shooting up the town would understand the problem, but not many thinking people observing from a distance are counting on it.

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Black people caught up in rebellion in the streets are acting out of frustration precisely because the proper people are not ever held accountable.


True, that.

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Whenever we discuss black protest or street rioting without fail you never want to believe they might have frustrations and grievances as their cause
.

True, that.

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No, multiculturalism is not working, never has worked in America.


As I said before; digging into journals and articles and texbooks while being in abstinence from observance of reality is not serving the purpose, here.

"Multiculturalism' is working just fine, where I live, due in no small part to fact that no one is stupid enough to call it that where I live.

We just get jumbled together and see how it works out. And it's working out okay for most. Those for whom it's not working out are welcome to leave.

And that's all any of us (in my neighborhood) give a fuck about.



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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 3:50:43 PM   
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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 4:33:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		One can easily find a restaurant where the staff speak decent or actually good English while serving their good Mexican or Thai or Indian or Middle Eastern or etc. food.

But the most excellent and entertaining cuisine I've experienced was from hole-in-the-wall or side-street places where nether of us could understand what the other was saying and we both had resort to lots of finger pointing and physical histrionics.

The comedy itself worth the price of admission. I never knew I was so funny.





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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 4:44:04 PM   
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They say I will come here one more time and I will be in fuking god mode


Your english arnt you?

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 5:14:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwird
One can easily find a restaurant where the staff speak decent or actually good English while serving their good Mexican or Thai or Indian or Middle Eastern or etc. food.
But the most excellent and entertaining cuisine I've experienced was from hole-in-the-wall or side-street places where nether of us could understand what the other was saying and we both had resort to lots of finger pointing and physical histrionics.
The comedy itself worth the price of admission. I never knew I was so funny.


I don't give a fuck if I have to point to a picture of what I want, as long as the Thai food is damn good (I've never not had 'good' Thai food, but some establishments are head and shoulders beyond good). lol


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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 5:27:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Edwird
One can easily find a restaurant where the staff speak decent or actually good English while serving their good Mexican or Thai or Indian or Middle Eastern or etc. food.
But the most excellent and entertaining cuisine I've experienced was from hole-in-the-wall or side-street places where nether of us could understand what the other was saying and we both had resort to lots of finger pointing and physical histrionics.
The comedy itself worth the price of admission. I never knew I was so funny.


I don't give a fuck if I have to point to a picture of what I want, as long as the Thai food is damn good (I've never not had 'good' Thai food, but some establishments are head and shoulders beyond good). lol



I don't recall anyone on these threads complaining about Asians or any other group who is nonviolent or who aren't migrating illegally and taking a lot of jobs away from citizens or whatever. So the issue isn't about race itself in any way

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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 5:59:39 PM   
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I was hoping you might eventually see why I am in disagreement with 'exrta help' to immigrants, legal or otherwise.

I live in, (or am "entertained by, " depending upon one's view) the 9th largest metro area. Not that I would know. I successfully avoid the ATL and live peacefully in an area of adjacent periphery.

The reason these kids don't need tax dollars for either Englissh lessons or Spanish-taught early-grade or pre-K classes is because the whole pipeline has that all in consideration in the first place. Witness the perfect English-speaking 4 yr. old I spoke of earlier.

My local county had to shut down 8 elementary schools, 3 middle schools, and 2 HS from the loss in local revenue from the financial meltdown, and some idiot told me to "Take your racist crap else where!" when I said "we cant afford it" re the 'special classes.'

So much for that.

It's just not needed. And it's so obvious that it's not needed for anyone who climbs out from their cave and just listens to how it is in the grocery store or much anywhere else in public.




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RE: Does Multiculturalism work? - 7/23/2017 6:04:49 PM   
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I was hoping you might eventually see why I am in disagreement with 'exrta help' to immigrants, legal or otherwise.


I don't know you well enough to know when you're intending sarcasm and when you're not. So, if I take one of your posts the wrong way, it's most likely that sort of thing.

What do you consider "extra help?"


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