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BoscoX -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/18/2017 4:32:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

FR

It seems that what we have here is a man who never should have been a cop in the first place.
Now why would they hire him in the first place.
In any job you hire the best who apply.
He was hired about 2 years ago.
After it became popular to condemn cops because of anything that happens, and the people they had to choose from was greatly reduced.
The effect of the constant attacks on the police is a reduction in what the police have to choose from, you can look it up since you won't believe me.
Police dp's have less and less to choose from and the chance of them hiring the wrong one are increased, not decreased by the attacks.


That, and hiring unqualified people as a welfare program, or to "prove" that your department isn't racist, and quota systems all contribute to decaying standards


Yes, politics in hiring is bad. Having a smaller pool to chose from makes it worse.



Now the same leftist trash that brought so much politics into policing is bitching and crying because of the consequences of what they've done




Musicmystery -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/18/2017 4:39:16 PM)

Yeah. That's it.

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Lucylastic -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/18/2017 4:40:27 PM)

he IS obsessed[8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|]




Termyn8or -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/18/2017 5:43:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

its called getting a job, refugees do that legally
you wouldnt want them getting welfare now, would you


Cops have a license to kill. That is different than just getting a job.

T^T




WickedsDesire -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/18/2017 5:59:08 PM)

whats your skype again




Lucylastic -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/18/2017 6:01:26 PM)

Of course you know his entire history, so you have a problem with non white cops? or mooselambs, or somalis? or is it evil refugees?




DesideriScuri -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/18/2017 6:02:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
When hiring for diversity you overlook those things. With 2 open complaints against him his status was
questionable to start with. When the objective is to get more minorities and there aren't that many minorities applying they have to take chances.
This isn't a matter of his training, even the most poorly fund dept in the country will teach you not to do what he did, but being a minority the rules (in his mind ) didn't apply to him.


That is the unintended consequence of affirmative action. When diversity matters more than qualifications, you don't always get the best and brightest.

You say this guy may have been a 'diversity hire.' Where did you see that info? Can you please cite?




BamaD -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/18/2017 6:12:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
When hiring for diversity you overlook those things. With 2 open complaints against him his status was
questionable to start with. When the objective is to get more minorities and there aren't that many minorities applying they have to take chances.
This isn't a matter of his training, even the most poorly fund dept in the country will teach you not to do what he did, but being a minority the rules (in his mind ) didn't apply to him.


That is the unintended consequence of affirmative action. When diversity matters more than qualifications, you don't always get the best and brightest.

You say this guy may have been a 'diversity hire.' Where did you see that info? Can you please cite?



Found it on the fox site. The mayor praised him for being the fist Somali on the department, and assigned him to the precinct with the most Somalis.
The Solialis there treated this like a social victory.
Note I said may have been, not was.




BamaD -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/18/2017 6:20:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
When hiring for diversity you overlook those things. With 2 open complaints against him his status was
questionable to start with. When the objective is to get more minorities and there aren't that many minorities applying they have to take chances.
This isn't a matter of his training, even the most poorly fund dept in the country will teach you not to do what he did, but being a minority the rules (in his mind ) didn't apply to him.


That is the unintended consequence of affirmative action. When diversity matters more than qualifications, you don't always get the best and brightest.

You say this guy may have been a 'diversity hire.' Where did you see that info? Can you please cite?



According to the Washington Post the community threw a party celebrating his hiring.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/18/2017 8:18:20 PM)

...never mind




WickedsDesire -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/18/2017 8:33:26 PM)

wow




BamaD -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/18/2017 8:44:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

I really wish I had internet! There has to be more to this story. It is beyond bizarre.
Has anyone heard anything new since the original reports?


The Mn agency that investigates these things talked to the partner.
According to him they heard a loud noise near the car.
Right after this the woman approached the car.
He was shocked when his partner fired through the window at her.
Nothing to provide any justification for the shooting.
It did sort of explain why the cameras didn't catch the shooting.
With her being beside the car she was out of range of the dash cam which of course doesn't show over there.
The body cams were not turned on because the officers hadn't thought they were in any kind of violent situation.
The release did not say anything about the cameras, that is evaluation of the information.
Still nothing to justify the shooting.
It still looks like the shooter has not agreed when or if he will talk to the investigators, I wouldn't think he had a option on that.
Hope I have been of some help.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/18/2017 8:48:26 PM)

fanny




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/18/2017 8:54:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

I really wish I had internet! There has to be more to this story. It is beyond bizarre.
Has anyone heard anything new since the original reports?


The Mn agency that investigates these things talked to the partner.
According to him they heard a loud noise near the car.
Right after this the woman approached the car.
He was shocked when his partner fired through the window at her.
Nothing to provide any justification for the shooting.
It did sort of explain why the cameras didn't catch the shooting.
With her being beside the car she was out of range of the dash cam which of course doesn't show over there.
The body cams were not turned on because the officers hadn't thought they were in any kind of violent situation.
The release did not say anything about the cameras, that is evaluation of the information.
Still nothing to justify the shooting.
It still looks like the shooter has not agreed when or if he will talk to the investigators, I wouldn't think he had a option on that.
Hope I have been of some help.


Thank you! I'm reading posts, and not being able to check on updates is frustrating.





WickedsDesire -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/18/2017 8:58:31 PM)

awesome




longwayhome -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/19/2017 3:08:29 AM)

FR

This particular shooting is a bit puzzling. It sounds as if something went very wrong with this policeman's application of procedure or his training. Unless the officer himself can explain his actions it will remain a mystery.

Of course this is a tragedy like any shooting, in particular the shooting of an innocent woman who had called the police in the first place. The worrying thing is that this adds to the number of unnecessary shootings where there must have been different options and what appears to be a problem with de-escalating situations, which suggests a wider problem with training and/or the culture in some police departments.

Given the number of police shootings in the US compared to other rich western democracies it is clear at the very least that US policemen reach for a gun and use it more frequently than other places. Inevitably where guns are used in law and order situations there are going to be mistakes and miscarriages of justice that come along with a number of these shootings. This is less a criticism of the US, more an acknowledgement that there is a problem to be addressed.

As for the spurious race/religion issue raised by the OP, it would be surprising with so many police firearms incidents that police personnel of colour did not sometimes shoot white people and that some of those shootings would be questionable. That does nothing to mitigate the fact that people of colour are disproportionately killed in police shootings, both in comparison to the population as a whole and taking crime stats into account. There is a race issue here but it's not just a race issue.

Quite apart from the appalling tragedy for this woman and her family, the overwhelming concern is what makes the police reach so often for their guns and what makes them discharge them. Statistics and experiments suggest that even black officers disproportionately shoot black men, and react differently in test situations to black and white subjects. This suggests that there is something going on which is far more subtle than the overt racism which is sometimes evident.

Leaving aside the possibility that there are a number of cops who are just very trigger happy and have no regard for human life, there is at the least a deep-seated self-preservation instinct among the police that goes wrong in real life situations. This does work disproportionately, but not entirely, against non-white suspects, even if you yourself are a black policeman. If you think that you are in a war, you will feel the need to use your gun more often, whatever the consequences.

Apart from the normal cycle of message board blame and counter-blame, there would appear to be issues here which don't have easy solutions. If you were running a police department addressing these issues would be the most difficult part of your job. How do you hire, train and prepare people to do law enforcement jobs to keep the public safe, themselves safe and ensure that situations are appropriately de-escalated to minimise the risks of things going wrong, whilst at the same time rooting out conscious and unconscious racism, incompetence and the plain criminality of (hopefully) a small number of officers?

People continue to die unnecessarily at the hands of the police, in the full glare of an unsympathetic press and public. Of course the police are blamed because their fingers are on the triggers.

No easy solutions to a hugely socially divisive issue.




Greta75 -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/19/2017 6:14:54 AM)

FR

Generally when white folks get shoot by cops in the US, nobody gives a shit. There were white teenage boys shot and murdered by police for no reason and no drama at all.

I suspect the only reason why there is such an outrage in this case was because this woman is not American but an Australian and Australia is kicking up a fuss.





BoscoX -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/19/2017 6:22:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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Generally when white folks get shoot by cops in the US, nobody gives a shit. There were white teenage boys shot and murdered by police for no reason and no drama at all.

I suspect the only reason why there is such an outrage in this case was because this woman is not American but an Australian and Australia is kicking up a fuss.




Right - part of it is about hating America itself

Which, I noted the pussyhat conundrum in the OP

Where do they put their festering hate in this case




mnottertail -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/19/2017 7:39:40 AM)

on the nutsucker goons and thugs felchgobbling putinjizz, in a word exactly where the problem lies.




vincentML -> RE: Black Muslim Refugee Cop Shoots Unarmed White Female Homeowner (7/19/2017 11:01:12 AM)

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When hiring for diversity you overlook those things. With 2 open complaints against him his status was
questionable to start with. When the objective is to get more minorities and there aren't that many minorities applying they have to take chances.
This isn't a matter of his training, even the most poorly fund dept in the country will teach you not to do what he did, but being a minority the rules (in his mind ) didn't apply to him.


That last line especially demonstrates your racism. Unbelievable.




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