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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/3/2017 11:27:11 PM   
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for most people yep the ass.

quieting the brain has nothing to do with queting the subconscious, only conscious distractions are quieted.


I can’t tell you how often I am asked this question. And the answer is always the same. The real goal of meditation is not to quiet your mind.

http://aboutmeditation.com/quiet-your-mind/


I am still trying to figger out what your point is and where you are trying to go with this and quantitative expression. All I see is non sequitur, and if you cant give us some kind of description how you are trying to relate this to these scans I will just write it all off as throwing shit at the wall

So okay, from your link, The goal of meditation is to be comfortable with the ruckus in your head. You want to get really good at ignoring the relentless stream of thought that runs like the Mississippi through your mind. And that’s a subtle art. That is acceptable. According to you then a meditator has to work extra hard and use more brain power to ignore the clutter of busy shit in the mind. That may be true but it is laughable and incongruous. Also, once again (I realize you are trying real hard) I would like to know how scanning the brain of ONE atheist lends validity to any of this shit.

My point is that without a quantitative measurement of alleged differences we must rely on your judgment of which scan has more or less of which colors. How do you know the scan on the right is busier? How much busier is it?

Subconscious thoughts vs Conscious thoughts. "Only conscious distractions are quieted." You write as if only conscious thoughts are generated by the cerebral cortex, leaving the impression that the subconscious thoughts are elsewhere in a different level of the mind. That is the impression Freud left with us 100 years ago. It would be hilarious if you were evaluating modern neurobiological scans with a 100 year old Freudian model. All thinking goes on in the cerebrum AFAIK, so when you are evaluating an EEG or an fMRI scan you are evaluating both conscious and subconscious electrochemical activity. You knew that, right? Freud gave us a model of the Mind, not of the Brain, believing in his time they were two separate realities. However, until proven otherwise, subconscious and conscious thoughts are emergent processes of the same neural networks.

So, bring me the head of the atheist!!!!!

Btw, when I ask you a question about quantitative data you don't have to try to guess what I am up to. Please, just answer the question if you can or simply say "I don't know" if you can't.

I don't know or I was wrong are the two most difficult admissions to be found on these boards. They are rare and precious.



According to you then a meditator has to work extra hard and use more brain power to ignore the clutter of busy shit in the mind.


False, not according to me, according to your spin and misrepresentation.

But it doesn't say that anywhere in the link I gave you, so that's nothing more than a story line spin coming from you, someone who clearly is clueless about meditation.

Yes your spin is incongruous and laughable I agree.

Oh there you go switch from quantative expression to quantitative measurement two entirely and completely different, totally unrelated things, ffs vince

So you need me to measure it to prove that there's more red while meditating, is that your problem Vince? If that is meaningless and incomprehensible to you, no amount of additional data can open a turned off mind.

So after telling us that you understand how to read the color chart here you are saying that you need me to read it for you....what the fuck is up with that over?

Busier? WTF? Is there no end to your strawman creations? nobody said busier you said busier and it is a complete misrepresentation.

So now you you want to argue about Freud and pretend he is incorrect, with no substantiating evidence whatsoever simply more of your same spin.

Just because it is an emergent process hardly means it's the same process clealy you are again trying to traction by again misrepresenting this by selling your wacky idea that because gray is between black and white both black and white are really Gray [the same] come on Vince try to take this up at least to the academic level of a high schooler ffs

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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/3/2017 11:34:06 PM   
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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/4/2017 11:35:14 AM   
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Oh there you go switch from quantative expression to quantitative measurement two entirely and completely different, totally unrelated things, ffs vince


Quantitative expression? You mean an eyeball guess, don't you? How much more of the brain is being used? (your thread head line)

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According to you then a meditator has to work extra hard and use more brain power to ignore the clutter of busy shit in the mind. That may be true but it is laughable and incongruous.


According to me? No. You are the one who exclaimed that meditating lead to a busier brain, that people who meditate use more of their brain. Now what? Now are you rejecting your original proposition? WTF? Please be clear about this.

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So you need me to measure it to prove that there's more red while meditating, is that your problem Vince? If that is meaningless and incomprehensible to you, no amount of additional data can open a turned off mind.


ADDITIONAL DATA??? You have not given us one iota of data, not one number.

It is not DATA When you say there is MORE of one thing than another. You are offering a comparison and the word "more" implies a measurement. I think most people would agree to that fundamental concept. How much more? Is it a trivial amount? Or is it a substantial amount?

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Busier? WTF? Is there no end to your strawman creations? nobody said busier you said busier and it is a complete misrepresentation.


How is that a straw man? You say one is using more of the brain. Why doesn't that translate into a busier brain?

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So now you you want to argue about Freud and pretend he is incorrect, with no substantiating evidence whatsoever simply more of your same spin.

Just because it is an emergent process hardly means it's the same process clealy you are again trying to traction by again misrepresenting this by selling your wacky idea that because gray is between black and white both black and white are really Gray [the same] come on Vince try to take this up at least to the academic level of a high schooler ffs


Good grief, you are burbling with sly insults today, RO. If you think there is a subconscious area of the brain where Freudian thought occurs please tell me where it is located. My point is that all thinking takes place in the cerebral cortex, conscious or subconscious. If you think that is wrong, explain how without the little insults, thank you.

Once again I ask you to explain to our readers how you can make the thread headline assertion that Religious People Use More of their Brain than Atheists! when only one atheist brain was scanned?

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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/5/2017 4:16:05 AM   
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Once again I ask you to explain to our readers how you can make the thread headline assertion that Religious People Use More of their Brain than Atheists! when only one atheist brain was scanned?

It is interesting to note that the same people who rubbish scientific accounts of the universe and promote so-called creation 'science' do a 180 degree about turn to cherry pick science whenever they feel there is something there to support their imaginary friend in the sky fantasies.

It is telling that they are so desperate for some credible information to support their quaint tales that they are, as in this instance, prepared to generalise on the basis of dodgy interpretations of a brain scan of one atheist. From a scientific perspective, this is laughable.

The positives I see in religions lie not in their accuracy or facticity (religions aren't factual, they are faith based) but in its power to inspire people to behave in an ethical and constructive fashion. By no means does Religions have a monopoly on this, but in as much as one can generalise, they tend to be effective in this regard much of the time. Unfortunately religion also has the power to inspire the opposite to this also and sometimes does. If only we could have without the other ... sighs!

Personally I feel that believers would do much better to emphasise the strengths and positives of religions rather than trying to justify them with sad, absurd caricatures of science.

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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/5/2017 5:14:33 AM   
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Once again I ask you to explain to our readers how you can make the thread headline assertion that Religious People Use More of their Brain than Atheists! when only one atheist brain was scanned?

It is interesting to note that the same people who rubbish scientific accounts of the universe and promote so-called creation 'science' do a 180 degree about turn to cherry pick science whenever they feel there is something there to support their imaginary friend in the sky fantasies.

It is telling that they are so desperate for some credible information to support their quaint tales that they are, as in this instance, prepared to generalise on the basis of dodgy interpretations of a brain scan of one atheist. From a scientific perspective, this is laughable.

The positives I see in religions lie not in their accuracy or facticity (religions aren't factual, they are faith based) but in its power to inspire people to behave in an ethical and constructive fashion. By no means does Religions have a monopoly on this, but in as much as one can generalise, they tend to be effective in this regard much of the time. Unfortunately religion also has the power to inspire the opposite to this also and sometimes does. If only we could have without the other ... sighs!

Personally I feel that believers would do much better to emphasise the strengths and positives of religions rather than trying to justify them with sad, absurd caricatures of science.

I agree with your last paragraph but the Catholic priesthood of paedophiles has pretty much blown away all hope of righteous moral behavior in that quarter, and the occasional Fundamentalist TV Megachurch evangelist minister has been caught with his pants down with male prostitutes, so we cannot depend on those rascals or those corrupt organizations to provide any moral guidance in the world. I assure you hair never grew on my palms and I did not go blind, and a demonic creature did not exit Rosemary's womb whilst she was at the barber shoppe having an abortion.

As you well know the expression of religious morality is all about asserting POWER over the flock, and nothing else.

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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/5/2017 7:08:43 AM   
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Once again I ask you to explain to our readers how you can make the thread headline assertion that Religious People Use More of their Brain than Atheists! when only one atheist brain was scanned?

It is interesting to note that the same people who rubbish scientific accounts of the universe and promote so-called creation 'science' do a 180 degree about turn to cherry pick science whenever they feel there is something there to support their imaginary friend in the sky fantasies.

It is telling that they are so desperate for some credible information to support their quaint tales that they are, as in this instance, prepared to generalise on the basis of dodgy interpretations of a brain scan of one atheist. From a scientific perspective, this is laughable.

The positives I see in religions lie not in their accuracy or facticity (religions aren't factual, they are faith based) but in its power to inspire people to behave in an ethical and constructive fashion. By no means does Religions have a monopoly on this, but in as much as one can generalise, they tend to be effective in this regard much of the time. Unfortunately religion also has the power to inspire the opposite to this also and sometimes does. If only we could have without the other ... sighs!

Personally I feel that believers would do much better to emphasise the strengths and positives of religions rather than trying to justify them with sad, absurd caricatures of science.



First you have no proof there is ir is not a man in the sky in which you incorrectly assign the label religion. Sounds good though albeit laughable that you would bash yourself in the process.

Yes atheists come up with some pretty loony psuedo scientific theories that they cherry pick to mock and jeer believers despite having no scientific evidence what so ever to support their brand of crazy. red blue shift and radioactive residue does nothing what so ever to prove the big bang is in fact the 'creation' of the universe as these anti-God nutters advertize.

No science is first now catching up and proving the believers correct and atheists are down to gnawing the at the bones in their fingers.

Now that science is proving that this is real and atheists are dead brains the atheists are denouncing their false god, science.




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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/5/2017 7:18:22 AM   
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As you well know the expression of religious morality is all about asserting POWER over the flock, and nothing else.


Thats awesome so you approve of murder and stealing, and accuse believers that promote their religion based upon consent without force to your atheist state which enforces their religion at the end of a barrel of a gun and worse you dont seem to see a problem with that.

...and there you go, talk about naughty believers as if that has one little damn thing to do with believers using more of their brains than atheists.

Speaking of desperation.

Scanned only one atheist? Are you kidding? Then tweak jumps on the same bandwagon in pretense you were not making it all up which is shows how over the top desperate atheists are now that science is proving the believers correct.

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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/5/2017 7:34:45 AM   
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Scanned only one atheist? Are you kidding?

That was the information provided by you in the link. If there were more than one atheist please provide the correct number. Stay with the subject matter of your tweet, please. TYVM! There is no need to make me and Tweat the subjects of your comments.

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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/5/2017 7:56:41 AM   
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According to me? No. You are the one who exclaimed that meditating lead to a busier brain

ADDITIONAL DATA??? You have not given us one iota of data, not one number.




False, you are the one who is claiming busier, neither I nor anything I linked said or implied 'busier', that is 100% 'your' desperate misrepresentation.

I dont need to give a 'number' to anyone who 'in fact' understands how to read the colors. Its quite easy, in fact so easy that a 5 year old child knows which piece of a candy bar is larger by a quick simple observation at a glance with no need for numbers what so ever, so whats the problem here vince?

One atheist vince? how did you come up with that? More desperation and throwing untrue shit at the wall?


We can see that the brains of the people who meditate are wired far hotter than atheists.



by comparing the above dead brain atheist



to the above baseline brain of believers

we can see that the baseline atheists brains have very little gas in their tanks then when contemplating God, instead of coming alive like believers we can see they simply go out on overload, blow fuses and shutdown.

believers have more of the brain 'switched on' for processing, a larger computing platform does not equate to busier, the contrary it simply process far more data faster and can go where no atheist has gone before.





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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/5/2017 8:03:21 AM   
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Scanned only one atheist? Are you kidding?

That was the information provided by you in the link. If there were more than one atheist please provide the correct number. Stay with the subject matter of your tweet, please. TYVM! There is no need to make me and Tweat the subjects of your comments.



sure I will give you the benefit of a doubt, quote it, or cite the reference.



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Yep its true! Seems atheists are missing out on one of lifes greatest treasures.

https://books.google.com/books?id=U1BDCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=Andrew+Newberg+is+a+neuroscientist+at+Thomas+Jefferson+University+whose+field+of+study+is+neurotheology+religion&source=bl&ots=LLRQh8YxWz&sig=hyOgsrVebkWw8YzOpFNe-CkSkg0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjtw7DP4JHVAhVK7yYKHSpACAUQ6AEIUjAI#v=onepage&q=Andrew%20Newberg&f=false



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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/5/2017 8:11:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		so, the believers in fairytales are burnining out their brains. As demonstrated here repeatedly, the religious people aint got much of a brain, so they have to use more since they have a dearth of resource.

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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/5/2017 8:30:53 AM   
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not at all burning out, believers are firing on all 12 cylinders cruising along in overdrive passing and waving at all the atheists broke down on the side of the road with blown brain fuses.
and now science proves it, so they are forced to condemn their false god.




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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/5/2017 8:52:07 AM   
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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/5/2017 6:09:14 PM   
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Scanned only one atheist? Are you kidding?

That was the information provided by you in the link. If there were more than one atheist please provide the correct number. Stay with the subject matter of your tweet, please. TYVM! There is no need to make me and Tweat the subjects of your comments.



sure I will give you the benefit of a doubt, quote it, or cite the reference.



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Yep its true! Seems atheists are missing out on one of lifes greatest treasures.

https://books.google.com/books?id=U1BDCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=Andrew+Newberg+is+a+neuroscientist+at+Thomas+Jefferson+University+whose+field+of+study+is+neurotheology+religion&source=bl&ots=LLRQh8YxWz&sig=hyOgsrVebkWw8YzOpFNe-CkSkg0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjtw7DP4JHVAhVK7yYKHSpACAUQ6AEIUjAI#v=onepage&q=Andrew%20Newberg&f=false



You linked to a review of Newberg's work again and no commentary of scanning the brains of atheists. I understand the game you play. A general citation that once again fails to specifically answer the question I posed to you and you do that because you have no answer. The title of your thread is pure bullshit. If you have a meaningful answer to my question QUOTE it and provide the citation for the quote. Otherwise, stfu and admit your tread title is a fucking lie.

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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/5/2017 7:48:03 PM   
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You know that makes perfect sense. That it takes more brain activity to imagine a God than it does to not imagine one is to be expected.

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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/6/2017 5:08:46 AM   
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You know that makes perfect sense. That it takes more brain activity to imagine a God than it does to not imagine one is to be expected.

but what does it tell us about his feeble and infantile mind that he had the nerve to write a headline of alleged diminished brain capacity in Atheists without one iota bit of evidence? His "makes sense" logic is bogus without comparable brain scans. Obviously, he thought he had license to get away with a snarky slander against unbelievers. What a simple minded rogue toad troll is our ROdent friend! Into the trash bin with him! GAWK! Vomit bag quickly please.

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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/6/2017 9:09:27 AM   
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Scanned only one atheist? Are you kidding?

That was the information provided by you in the link. If there were more than one atheist please provide the correct number. Stay with the subject matter of your tweet, please. TYVM! There is no need to make me and Tweat the subjects of your comments.



sure I will give you the benefit of a doubt, quote it, or cite the reference.



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Yep its true! Seems atheists are missing out on one of lifes greatest treasures.

https://books.google.com/books?id=U1BDCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=Andrew+Newberg+is+a+neuroscientist+at+Thomas+Jefferson+University+whose+field+of+study+is+neurotheology+religion&source=bl&ots=LLRQh8YxWz&sig=hyOgsrVebkWw8YzOpFNe-CkSkg0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjtw7DP4JHVAhVK7yYKHSpACAUQ6AEIUjAI#v=onepage&q=Andrew%20Newberg&f=false



You linked to a review of Newberg's work again and no commentary of scanning the brains of atheists. I understand the game you play. A general citation that once again fails to specifically answer the question I posed to you and you do that because you have no answer. The title of your thread is pure bullshit. If you have a meaningful answer to my question QUOTE it and provide the citation for the quote. Otherwise, stfu and admit your tread title is a fucking lie.


I posted a link to a commentary where he explains this, dont blame me you were too lazy to click on it.

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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/6/2017 9:16:03 AM   
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You know that makes perfect sense. That it takes more brain activity to imagine a God than it does to not imagine one is to be expected.

but what does it tell us about his feeble and infantile mind that he had the nerve to write a headline of alleged diminished brain capacity in Atheists without one iota bit of evidence? His "makes sense" logic is bogus without comparable brain scans. Obviously, he thought he had license to get away with a snarky slander against unbelievers. What a simple minded rogue toad troll is our ROdent friend! Into the trash bin with him! GAWK! Vomit bag quickly please.



nice more red herring attacks. the only way you can argue is off point it seems. the title does not say connote 'diminished' for atheists it shows believers have an 'inherently higher capacity' than atheists.

Sorry you dont like the results, that science is proving the restrictive/oppressive atheist religion of dumb down is not what its cracked up to be.....not my problem.


Its well known fact that believers are also receivers, its no different than turning on several more antennas of cognitive/perception, that when an atheist tries they blow fuses and go out on tilt.






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RE: Religious People Use More of their Brain than Athei... - 8/6/2017 9:26:19 AM   
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the only way you can argue is off point it seems.

Do you have any idea how pathetic that sounds coming from you?


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