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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 11:54:03 AM

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Oh, that's easy. Because there was no mention made of the colour of anyone's skin, and in a Yankish news story, that means they were all white.

No, that usually means they were minorities.

It could mean everyone involved was white, or it could mean everyone involved was a minority.

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 12:02:38 PM

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Oh, that's easy. Because there was no mention made of the colour of anyone's skin, and in a Yankish news story, that means they were all white.

No, that usually means they were minorities.

It could mean everyone involved was white, or it could mean everyone involved was a minority.

That could be. I'm old, I remember when all of the newspapers in the San Francisco Bay Area actually told us they would stop reporting skin color when minorities were involved because they felt it would look bad for minorities. Of course, since they kept reporting crimes were committed by whites, it became obvious that if the color wasn't reported it was a minority. Perhaps, news agencies have evolved since then and I've just missed it.

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 12:09:12 PM

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Oh, that's easy. Because there was no mention made of the colour of anyone's skin, and in a Yankish news story, that means they were all white.

No, that usually means they were minorities.

It could mean everyone involved was white, or it could mean everyone involved was a minority.

That could be. I'm old, I remember when all of the newspapers in the San Francisco Bay Area actually told us they would stop reporting skin color when minorities were involved because they felt it would look bad for minorities. Of course, since they kept reporting crimes were committed by whites, it became obvious that if the color wasn't reported it was a minority. Perhaps, news agencies have evolved since then and I've just missed it.

The further Left the media leans, the less likely same-skin color events are going to have skin color mentioned.

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 12:26:01 PM

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Oh, that's easy. Because there was no mention made of the colour of anyone's skin, and in a Yankish news story, that means they were all white.

Don't pay much attention do you? Usually that means the culprit was black.
And still it only means that you didn't care because you assumed they were white

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 12:27:34 PM

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Oh, that's easy. Because there was no mention made of the colour of anyone's skin, and in a Yankish news story, that means they were all white.

No, that usually means they were minorities.

It could mean everyone involved was white, or it could mean everyone involved was a minority.

It only proves they were white in Dizzies mind.

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 12:37:20 PM

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Oh, that's easy. Because there was no mention made of the colour of anyone's skin, and in a Yankish news story, that means they were all white.

No, that usually means they were minorities.

It could mean everyone involved was white, or it could mean everyone involved was a minority.

It only proves they were white in Dizzies mind.

You are all waving the skin color card. Lady Pact has some reason to believe it is not a topic we wish to discuss. It would be helpful if she clarified WHY she thinks it is so. Everything else, every other utterance is stupid speculation.

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 12:49:10 PM

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Oh, that's easy. Because there was no mention made of the colour of anyone's skin, and in a Yankish news story, that means they were all white.

No, that usually means they were minorities.

It could mean everyone involved was white, or it could mean everyone involved was a minority.

It only proves they were white in Dizzies mind.

You are all waving the skin color card. Lady Pact has some reason to believe it is not a topic we wish to discuss. It would be helpful if she clarified WHY she thinks it is so. Everything else, every other utterance is stupid speculation.

How about because it isn't about race, it is about how dangerous police work is.

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 1:11:40 PM

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I take it then, that none of you actually read the story LadyPact linked to then? You know, the one with the pictures of the very white people involved?
LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 1:38:06 PM

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LP,

I do think it's kind of beholden on you to *say* why you don't think this issue is being discussed. Especially now that we have, in fact, been discussing it for some while, now. ;)

Myself, well, I'll give the excuse that this is a US story that hasn't hit our news media here. Beyond that: obviously, it doesn't fall easily into left/right goodie/baddie lines.

Me, though, perhaps I'm a little bit of an exception. I've always had a something of a soft spot for military types and their issues - and even I can't completely understand why. Perhaps it's because I think they do something as a profession that I don't think *can* be done without causing psychological damage. As for police: you know I'm a lefty who had a copper as a father (and total old goosestepper of a right wing git he was, too). I'm *very* torn on lots of events that have got into the news about the police and policing as a result.

Anyway. I suspect you have a beef. If so, spill!

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 1:48:08 PM

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I take it then, that none of you actually read the story LadyPact linked to then? You know, the one with the pictures of the very white people involved?
LOLOLOLOLOLOL

You made up your mind before reading the story, remember saying they must be white because it wasn't mentioned?
You care about the race, I don't. It is still about the level of danger cops face is far greater than you care to think about.

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 2:07:29 PM

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LP,
I do think it's kind of beholden on you to *say* why you don't think this issue is being discussed. Especially now that we have, in fact, been discussing it for some while, now. ;)
Myself, well, I'll give the excuse that this is a US story that hasn't hit our news media here. Beyond that: obviously, it doesn't fall easily into left/right goodie/baddie lines.
Me, though, perhaps I'm a little bit of an exception. I've always had a something of a soft spot for military types and their issues - and even I can't completely understand why. Perhaps it's because I think they do something as a profession that I don't think *can* be done without causing psychological damage. As for police: you know I'm a lefty who had a copper as a father (and total old goosestepper of a right wing git he was, too). I'm *very* torn on lots of events that have got into the news about the police and policing as a result.
Anyway. I suspect you have a beef. If so, spill!

My first thought was that the soldier was suffering from PTSD from a recent tour in the Middle East and had recently gotten out of the military. Working back to civilian life after being in the military is very difficult for many (might be for all of them), and if he did have symptoms of PTSD on top of that, it would have been that much more difficult. That's not to excuse the soldier's actions, but to possibly give some sort of explanation as to "why" it happened.

But, that's not the exact situation here. He was still active-duty and stationed nearby. His last tour was in 2011, which is not to say that he isn't suffering from PTSD, but the further away from the stressor you get, the tendency is towards reduced symptoms. I hope the soldier gets the vital help he needs while serving the penalty for whatever crime he's guilty of.

Police officers have damn dangerous jobs. It's always bad when a good cop gets killed in the line of duty.

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 2:14:19 PM

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Huh - the fact that Lady Pact posted it made me think that the involvement of the military was why she was bringing it up. Still not entirely sure WHY she bought it up, if that indeed was her point.

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 2:33:08 PM

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Oh, that's easy. Because there was no mention made of the colour of anyone's skin, and in a Yankish news story, that means they were all white.

No, that usually means they were minorities.

It could mean everyone involved was white, or it could mean everyone involved was a minority.

It only proves they were white in Dizzies mind.

You are all waving the skin color card. Lady Pact has some reason to believe it is not a topic we wish to discuss. It would be helpful if she clarified WHY she thinks it is so. Everything else, every other utterance is stupid speculation.

How about because it isn't about race, it is about how dangerous police work is.

Slipsies. I meant that LP suggested there was something about the shooting we were reluctant to discuss. I did not mean to point to skin color. Until she clarifies what is on her mind the conversation is useless. There is no point to it.

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 2:37:06 PM

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Oh, that's easy. Because there was no mention made of the colour of anyone's skin, and in a Yankish news story, that means they were all white.

No, that usually means they were minorities.

It could mean everyone involved was white, or it could mean everyone involved was a minority.

It only proves they were white in Dizzies mind.

You are all waving the skin color card. Lady Pact has some reason to believe it is not a topic we wish to discuss. It would be helpful if she clarified WHY she thinks it is so. Everything else, every other utterance is stupid speculation.

How about because it isn't about race, it is about how dangerous police work is.

Slipsies. I meant that LP suggested there was something about the shooting we were reluctant to discuss. I did not mean to point to skin color. Until she clarifies what is on her mind the conversation is useless. There is no point to it.

Simple you and I didn't bring it up because we didn't even know about it.
Could it be she wanted t highlight either the danger cops face every day, or the stress military people live under?

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 2:40:27 PM

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It would be helpful if she clarified WHY she thinks it is so. Everything else, every other utterance is stupid speculation.

yes to the first part.

no to the second part. its called inference based on that every single other cop thread has some element of race to it.

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 3:10:44 PM

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I take it then, that none of you actually read the story LadyPact linked to then? You know, the one with the pictures of the very white people involved?
LOLOLOLOLOLOL

You made up your mind before reading the story, remember saying they must be white because it wasn't mentioned?
You care about the race, I don't. It is still about the level of danger cops face is far greater than you care to think about.

LOL
No dear, I was just enjoying watching you guys get all worked up and make an idiot of yourselves.

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 3:12:36 PM

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Simple you and I didn't bring it up because we didn't even know about it.

And why is that? Could it be because it did not get plastered all over the media because there was no racial element to it?

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 3:23:25 PM

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Simple you and I didn't bring it up because we didn't even know about it.

And why is that? Could it be because it did not get plastered all over the media because there was no racial element to it?

Because we didn't see it. Only you seem to want to make it a racial issue, which it isn't.
You don't care because race wasn't a factor, I care because 2 people were killed.

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 5:02:59 PM

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OK. My bad. I probably should have said more in writing the OP or at least got back on the thread sooner. For that, my apologies.

This might sound strange but I'd also like to ask a favor. I'm really hoping this can be discussed not based on race or gender. The latter part of that might be challenging because yes, I'm looking at this case very specifically because the accused is an active duty service member. That makes it difficult because when we start talking about these cases that are military related, it usually is male perpetrator/female victim. However, it's not really the gender that is the commonality. It's the deployments.

I'm going to add this link because I think this particular author ties this together better than I possibly could. http://www.salon.com/2013/11/12/%E2%80%9Ca_lot_of_them_kill_their_wives%E2%80%9D_journalist_warns_of_post_deployment_crime_waves/

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RE: The cop killing y'all didn't want to talk about - 8/12/2017 5:33:55 PM

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OK. My bad. I probably should have said more in writing the OP or at least got back on the thread sooner. For that, my apologies.

This might sound strange but I'd also like to ask a favor. I'm really hoping this can be discussed not based on race or gender. The latter part of that might be challenging because yes, I'm looking at this case very specifically because the accused is an active duty service member. That makes it difficult because when we start talking about these cases that are military related, it usually is male perpetrator/female victim. However, it's not really the gender that is the commonality. It's the deployments.

I'm going to add this link because I think this particular author ties this together better than I possibly could. http://www.salon.com/2013/11/12/%E2%80%9Ca_lot_of_them_kill_their_wives%E2%80%9D_journalist_warns_of_post_deployment_crime_waves/

Ok and you are right that many of the military people undergo levels of stress that most of us cannot imagine.
The average person doesn't comprehend that "dependents" are affected by things such as deployments
almost as much as the active duty people.

Being Army you would have a much better grasp than I would, I did my whole career in the Air Force, but
I spent my last 11 years at the same base.

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