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Is this a white supremacist moose?

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Believe it or not virtually every city in the US does require a permit to assemble, and they are rarely issued on short notice.
Since permits of that sort are public records they are available for pretty much anyone to view, well before the event.
The problems occur when others of opposing views decide to counter protest on the same day without a permit, and are allowed to do so by local authorities.
That almost always leads to clashes of the type we have just seen.
This is much like illegal immigration here, the US wouldn't have problems if the laws already on the books were simply enforced.

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Yeah. There probably aren't even any white supremacists. Made it up on the same sound stage they used for the moon landing.

Moron.

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White nationalists are white people who believe that their country should remain majority white.
The Nazis in Germany during WWII were white nationalists with their belief in the "Chosen Race."
Many countries today have groups of white nationalists. I firmly believe that the Brexit vote was based in white nationalism.

Hmmm... do you think there may be a good portion that just don't want their heritage destroyed... Right or wrong these statues represent their ancestors. They understand it was a different time with different social norms. You or I born into that society would have been just as prejudiced by today's standards... We would not have known any better. These people may very well not even be prejudiced or care about white majority rule. My family came to Missouri from S Carolina and the majority of my male ancestors fought for the south...and many did not own slaves... I can see being upset if my heritage was being destroyed.

Butch

The reason and judgment of modern mankind informs that we do not need to be slave to a 'tradition' 'culture' or 'heritage.' We take from and learn but one is not required to honor the past's violence and butchery.

Events such as these tell us there is a long way to go to leave the 'signs' of oppression and the southern culture and tradition and heritage of racism and the 100 year subjugation of blacks...removed. Removed not just from public sight but from the memories of those who once did celebrate such racism and slavery.

Why however though do we pay such respect for our constitutional right of freedom of speech but don't hold the same reverence for our equally constitutionally protected right to assemble ?

There are NO 'illegal' assemblies. For those who become violent, their actions become illegal...not the assembly.

Where can I find this "reason and judgement of modern mankind"? As with all of your tin foil hat theories, you don't have a foundation under any of your postulates. For instance, by your arguments, black people today shouldn't have any problems with prior slavery or racism issues because the reason and judgement of modern mankind tells us they don't have to be slaves to tradition, culture or heritage. So, good, according to you its all fixed now.

The legal part for the most part has been fixed with the exception of the obvious attempts at gerrymandering, voter restrictions and job discrimination. Haven't the slightest idea why you now go on about 'tin foil hat' theories whatever they are.

However no, it's not 'all fixed' now and quite the contrary. Because for example not just the confederate flag which to me, could just as well be a Nazi flag, representing the flag of a country for traitors who revolted against this country.

Then there are the statues and my presumed honor of a man who resigned his officer's commission in the US Army to go join another army to fight his former country, the ultimate in traitorous action. The US would have been equally justified in hanging Lee as it was in hanging John Brown.

You're arguing against your previous point. If the reason and judgement of modern mankind informs us that we don't need to be slave of tradition, culture or heritage then people of color don't need to be offended by statues and flags. If they do need to be offended then your reason and judgement of modern mankind statement is wrong or you are saying people of color don't have the reason and judgement of modern mankind.

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Will this be the disgruntled dems' fault, then?

It is both groups fault.
The white nationalist shouldn't have the demonstration.
The leftists should stay away.

God damn, Bama! I think you have it, the solution to all our racial strife.

If only the Union soldiers had stayed away there would not have been a Civil War. Just fucking brilliant! Why didn't Lincoln think of that? Sheeesch!!!!

Isn't that how all of the status quo white empowered people do when facing an issue...just stay away ? I wonder if that would work with the rightist corp. welfare, lobbyist crowd ?

More tin foil hats. Where are these status quo white empowered people? Are they hiding behind microagressions in a safe space somewhere?

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Sort of a gang pay back sort of thing.


Gang payback...is the klan still pissed about abolishing slavery?

Oh no, now they partner with them and often offer sharecropping on the land. You see that way as the British bankers so eloquently put it, the slave has costs...the wage earner has $1/hr and pays his own support. Much more cost-effective.

Then when $1/hr isn't enough, call them poor, let the whole world know it is all their fault. Then resist in every way

their right to vote,
what congressional district they live in
what jobs they can take to supplement their agric. wage slavery...if any
where they can and cannot go
where they can or cannot sit
where they can or cannot drink or eat.

Most of that after 100 years, is thankfully gone, but most certainly took its toll.

Controlling wages and votes and who they can vote for...should 'keep [them] in their place' now.

I'm confused. Is this tin foil hat or reason and judgement of modern mankind. Can you point out a sharecropper making $1.00 an hour? Why do you reach back 100 years and still argue the reason and judgement of modern mankind?

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Sort of a gang pay back sort of thing.


Gang payback...is the klan still pissed about abolishing slavery?

Probably, but I'd bet it's more strongly related to current efforts by groups like BLM and antifa. I'd say they are making a point that if those groups can behave badly they have the same ability to do so.

Good ole' white law & order America hey ?

But the real fact of the matter is and having brought them up, to most, yes I will say most whites...black lives don't matter.

Wow! But...but...what about the reason and judgement of modern mankind.

Enough straw here to restuff all my mattresses.

You do argue from both sides of your face.

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Vince I am sorry but I don't waste my time reading Tom so his comments are not relevant but yours are...I always appreciate your viewpoint although we often disagree.

There is no doubt in my mind that there are many racists in this matter....please don't think i am defending them. I also have no doubt that there are many non-racists that are just as I said...defending their heritage... there is a difference.

We have work to do as a society when it comes to our racial attitudes and I am not denying this. But you should stop grouping all people together because of the actions of a few. I hear this all the time when it comes to Muslims and agree but this logic should also be applied to this situation.

Many people, myself included, think our ancestral heritage is important... it is a link to the past for good or bad... They are a part of me... their genes course through my body... I care little about your attitude towards them. I happen to believe people fighting in the Civil war for the CSA should be forgiven their sins. They were victims of their upbringing in their attitudes towards blacks... Today however there is no excuse and we should all be appalled at the racists attitudes displayed. There is only one moral side and it is certainly not with the white racists in Charlottsville.

My personal opinion is no statue or monument glorifying the CSA should be on Public property. Here in St. Louis a monument to the CSA was on display in our public park. The decision, and a wise one, was to have the monument removed and given to a history society for display. This is as it should be handled.

I just wanted to point out that not all those protesting the monument removal are racists and I attempted to explain what i thought their reasoning may be... I am not saying they are even right to protest, but it is their right, but they should be separated from the obvious racists that you are describing and we are seeing.

Butch

What heritage ? The real heritage you write of...is racism, slavery and subjugation. ISIS and the rest of our current Islamic jihad pay such homage to such sectarian (often racist) ideals ?

A sympathizer on a story about Russia wrote that he is sure there are some proud Russians that would show popular dissent or discontent with that current moment in affairs.

I thought, just what does a Russian have to be proud of ? Would it be living under Czarist or communist despotism since the dark ages be what makes them so proud ?

Despite the often violent and tragic pains involved, I'll take the far superior values and 'heritage' of the west.

That's right...the only thing, the absolute only heritage from the south is slavery. What a simpleton. Oh, yes, the west is only about dark age repression and slavery. What a simple mind. I'll have to put off that trip to the Louve because I can't stand being confronted by all of that art based on slavery.

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1925 was nearly 100 years ago VMl.


The incident with the klan was last night. Wow a hundred years and not much has changed except the robes are polyester wash and wear and not the old fashioned kind that you have to iron.


The incident that VML was referencing was in 1925. my reference was to his incident.


My reference was to the fact that not much has changed. Bigots are still trying to force their shit on society.


And why does that appear to surprise you?


Only you think it appears to surprise me.

It is a human condition and always will be.

No it is the condition of punkassmotherphoquers who think that skin color has some significance to humanity.

Yes, and if it wasn't skin color it would be something else or grunts wouldn't use p's for target practice as you say. It's a human condition.

The human condition is intellectual vacuity and social injustice. That means that the majority (white) people are now and had used for years and...found that 'something else.'

In this case, it's not religion like is has been throughout history, it's not hair color or background...it is race.

And that majority in the case (whites) feels itself empowered to subjugate others who are 'not like us.'

That it may also be suffered by those who are 'not like them' makes the situation worse.

So it's not a 'human condition' it is human weakness and prejudice, such frailties that mankind should be able to remove from heritage, tradition, culture and politics.

You're arguing against yourself once again.

How is a human weakness and prejudice not a human condition?

Really, the human condition is intellectual vacuity and social injustice. I'll definitely then not go to see the Louve celebrate that. Pew.

The "majority of whites" feel empowered to subjugate others? Then I guess all of those leftist loonies stating otherwise are merely being liars so they can be sneaky about it and all on the political right who voted for the civil rights act are just implementing a long plan that will eventually lead to them subjugating others. Oh, and all of those law implemented in your post 92 are just subterfuge. And I guess the reason and judgement of modern mankind is a lie as well.

Will you ever discuss out of one side of your face is the real question now?

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Will this be the disgruntled dems' fault, then?

It is both groups fault.
The white nationalist shouldn't have the demonstration.
The leftists should stay away.

God damn, Bama! I think you have it, the solution to all our racial strife.

If only the Union soldiers had stayed away there would not have been a Civil War. Just fucking brilliant! Why didn't Lincoln think of that? Sheeesch!!!!

Isn't that how all of the status quo white empowered people do when facing an issue...just stay away ? I wonder if that would work with the rightist corp. welfare, lobbyist crowd ?

More tin foil hats. Where are these status quo white empowered people? Are they hiding behind microagressions in a safe space somewhere?

Look outside the cities. The local civil life is still dominated by white power. Just the people who decide that they need a statue of Jeff Davis downtown or a confederate flags up everywhere.

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Mr Rodgers you are not thinking... you are looking at that era with today's eyes. Do you think of yourself as a bad person?... Do you eat meat?... say 150 years from now people would look at you as a low life racist cannibal because in their era animals are respected like people. Because of the way people would think of you in the future does that make you any different than how you think of yourself today... a good person?

Otherwise if you were born and raised in the deep south in say 1820 what do you think your thoughts would be on slaves? Can't you see how these people were not racists as we think of them today...They were raised in a society where slaves were not equal to whites... they just knew no different.

Now today in our enlightened society people are raised differently. Being racists today is much different than the social norms of my ancestors... it is much worse because we know better.

Most southerners did not own salves... that was far the rich. During the war they were not fighting to preserve slavery... they were fighting for their homes and families. They were good people that deserve to be remembered and forgiven.

There should be no forgiveness for the racists in Charlottesville but not all of the protesters are racists... that is all I've been saying in this thread.

Butch

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without going through 14 pages of posts to see if this has already been covered, im going to throw this out there and no doubt hack off a lot of the comrades here.

its the left who feel "entitled" to meet people who hold opinions with which they disagree, with violence.

given that, I have very little doubt where the escalation came from.

Sure. No need for the facts when you've already invented your own story.

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Counter protests without a permit ARE against the law. The problem is with people like the mayor of Charlottesville, who told his police to stand down and allow the groups to mix.