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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 2:41:25 PM   
Made2Obey


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Status: offline 		US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, Para 11 reads...
"◾To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years"

How does that legalize assassination of foreign leadership?

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 2:47:00 PM   
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US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, Para 11 reads...
"◾To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years"

How does that legalize assassination of foreign leadership?


11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

http://constitutionus.com/

Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 2:48:34 PM   
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Congress passed a law quite a long time ago, forbidding the assassination of any foreign leader


The constitution says otherwise.




It would appear you are correct. Refer to:

www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/schools/law/lawreviews/journals/bciclr/26_1/01_FMS.htm

"No standing Federal law criminalizes the assassination of a foreign official outside the boundaries of the United States."


My being right is pretty common.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 2:56:44 PM   
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Congress passed a law quite a long time ago, forbidding the assassination of any foreign leader


The constitution says otherwise.




It would appear you are correct. Refer to:

www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/schools/law/lawreviews/journals/bciclr/26_1/01_FMS.htm

"No standing Federal law criminalizes the assassination of a foreign official outside the boundaries of the United States."


That is not a Constitutional item, it's merely a statement that no federal law prohibits assassination. Mostly that article refers to an Executive Order that has been rescinded.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 2:59:33 PM   
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That is not a Constitutional item,

Article 1 section 8 paragraph 11 is.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 3:02:51 PM   
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11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

http://constitutionus.com/

Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



Letters of Marque and Reprisal do not authorize assassination, they merely allow detention or arrest to be held for trial.
For assassination to be authorized it would need to be specifically spelled out.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 3:10:12 PM   
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By reading history. The authors were apparently arrogant motherfuckers. Sorry/not sorry.

"So you have no cite just your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion."


You'll have to trouble my university instructors and the authors about that one.

BTW, where are your internet juicyfruit cites?


"Germany worked just as well. Kennedy gave away nothing of consequence."


quote:

That is your opinion but once again we have no validation for your ignorant unsubstantiated opinions
.

That is my, along with many others', analysis.

While we're at it; what do you have to substantiate anything you say, here, other than bolding everything?

Right, That's what I thought. The bolding says it all.

"Jet planes and nukes broadcast a different beacon. How well does it work stopping suicide bombers with C-4 in their vests vs, granola bars? Stupid fuck."


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What does one stop an icbm with if not anti missile missiles and aircraft?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


So now it's ICBMs, and not commercial jets, that struck the world towers and the pentagon?

You and real uno really need to get together on this one.





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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 3:14:25 PM   
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11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

http://constitutionus.com/

Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



Letters of Marque and Reprisal do not authorize assassination, they merely allow detention or arrest to be held for trial.
For assassination to be authorized it would need to be specifically spelled out.


You are wrong.

http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/50/marque-and-reprisal

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 3:15:54 PM   
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Of course, we must consider the possibility that Kim just doesn't really have the hardware to get the job done and HAD to back off.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/14454326-b0f3-3a4c-90c8-9e37aaa036bb/newsweek-exclusive%3A-north.html

And yet apparently Obama thinks he does and Susan rice says we'll just have to learn to live with it. I guess when NK gives the technology to Yeman next we'll have to follow Obama's red line plan there as well...and on and on.

Any links or are we taking your word for it?

Been on vacation hillbilly? Old news.



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/susan-rice-us-can-tolerate-nuclear-weapons-in-north-korea/article/2631128

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/09/obama-administration-knew-about-north-koreas-miniaturized-nukes.html

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Tuesday's bombshell Washington Post story that the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) has determined North Korea is capable of constructing miniaturized nuclear weapons that could be used as warheads for missiles – possibly ICBMs – left out a crucial fact: DIA actually concluded this in 2013. The Post also failed to mention that the Obama administration tried to downplay and discredit this report at the time.


The funny thing is that we have other articles here saying that DPRK doesn't have small nukes but may in the future. Your article says may have them.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 3:23:19 PM   
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By reading history. The authors were apparently arrogant motherfuckers. Sorry/not sorry.

"So you have no cite just your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion."

You'll have to trouble my university instructors and the authors about that one.

More ignorant unsubstantiated opinion.

BTW, where are your internet juicyfruit cites?

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/the-real-cuban-missile-crisis/309190/


"Germany worked just as well. Kennedy gave away nothing of consequence."


That is your opinion but once again we have no validation for your ignorant unsubstantiated opinions.

That is my, along with many others', analysis.

While we're at it; what do you have to substantiate anything you say, here, other than bolding everything?

Right, That's what I thought. The bolding says it all.

I have posted credible sites for my opinions you have not.

"Jet planes and nukes broadcast a different beacon. How well does it work stopping suicide bombers with C-4 in their vests vs, granola bars? Stupid fuck."


What does one stop an icbm with if not anti missile missiles and aircraft?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

So now it's ICBMs, and not commercial jets, that struck the world towers and the pentagon?

Perhaps you should get a grown up to help you with the big words.









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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 3:31:56 PM   
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11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

http://constitutionus.com/

Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



Letters of Marque and Reprisal do not authorize assassination, they merely allow detention or arrest to be held for trial.
For assassination to be authorized it would need to be specifically spelled out.


You are wrong.



http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/50/marque-and-reprisal



An essay by a college professor does not constitute proof of anything. However the reference you have cited makes no mention of assassination of foreign leaders.

Letters of Marque were primarily a tool to allow privateers to engage pirates without committing an act of war.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 5:03:15 PM   
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11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

http://constitutionus.com/

Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



Letters of Marque and Reprisal do not authorize assassination, they merely allow detention or arrest to be held for trial.
For assassination to be authorized it would need to be specifically spelled out.


You are wrong.



http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/50/marque-and-reprisal



An essay by a college professor does not constitute proof of anything.


Heritage foundation roflmfao
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


However the reference you have cited makes no mention of assassination of foreign leaders.

Privateers don't usually use paint ball guns. Consider however the recent assassination of Osama bin laden and the numerous attempts on fidel castro and hugo chavez.


Letters of Marque were primarily a tool to allow privateers to engage pirates without committing an act of war.


Perhaps you should get an adult to read and explain the link I provided. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 5:25:58 PM   
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Perhaps you should get an adult to read and explain the link I provided. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.


neither do you troll---explain how that particular section of the constitution authorizes assassinations of foreign leaders. blustering doesn't count. insulting the person you are responding to doesn't count. posting links to essays with at best tenuous connections that don't really address the issue doesn't count.

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If I disagree with another poster I will deliniate my disagreement with validation from reputable sources. When proved wrong I admit it and thank the poster for disabusing me of my ignorance. I have been proved wrong in less than a half dozen cases with more than 20,000 post.


by way of helping, the word "delineate" means "to show by describing."

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 5:45:12 PM   
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Perhaps you should get an adult to read and explain the link I provided. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.


neither do you troll---explain how that particular section of the constitution authorizes assassinations of foreign leaders. blustering doesn't count. insulting the person you are responding to doesn't count. posting links to essays with at best tenuous connections that don't really address the issue doesn't count.


by way of helping, the word "delineate" means "to show by describing."

The link was from the heritage foundation.
If it does mean what the link says it means then why has amerika not signed the 1856 paris declaration?

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 6:11:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Heritage Foundation or not, that link was for an opinion piece by a college prof. It was not a legal reading by any Government source.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 6:19:42 PM   
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I guess when NK gives the technology to Yeman next we'll have to follow Obama's red line plan there as well...and on and on.


Yeah, it's a good thing that Putin's bitch is holding hard against the red line, there.


We can always count on you for pure idiocy. Way to be consistent.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 6:37:48 PM   
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Heritage Foundation or not, that link was for an opinion piece by a college prof. It was not a legal reading by any Government source.


The legal reading by the official government source is the constitution.
De-facto we know that the amerikan government has made several attempts on the lives of both hugo Chavez and fidel castro. We know that the amerikan
government boasted about the execution of osama bin laden. If these were not constitutional why then was the president not
impeached for murder and attempted murder?
The opinion cited in a very conservative think tank was a scholarly dissertation on said governmental source. If that is not sufficient for
you perhaps you might avail yourself of google to find some source that disagrees with the one cited.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 7:14:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		The assassination attempts on Castro and Chavez were not carried out by US forces.
Bin Laden was never a legitimate foreign government member, but was simply a terrorist leader, apples and oranges.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 7:17:04 PM   
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Of course, we must consider the possibility that Kim just doesn't really have the hardware to get the job done and HAD to back off.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/14454326-b0f3-3a4c-90c8-9e37aaa036bb/newsweek-exclusive%3A-north.html

And yet apparently Obama thinks he does and Susan rice says we'll just have to learn to live with it. I guess when NK gives the technology to Yeman next we'll have to follow Obama's red line plan there as well...and on and on.

Any links or are we taking your word for it?

Been on vacation hillbilly? Old news.



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/susan-rice-us-can-tolerate-nuclear-weapons-in-north-korea/article/2631128

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/09/obama-administration-knew-about-north-koreas-miniaturized-nukes.html

quote:

Tuesday's bombshell Washington Post story that the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) has determined North Korea is capable of constructing miniaturized nuclear weapons that could be used as warheads for missiles – possibly ICBMs – left out a crucial fact: DIA actually concluded this in 2013. The Post also failed to mention that the Obama administration tried to downplay and discredit this report at the time.


The funny thing is that we have other articles here saying that DPRK doesn't have small nukes but may in the future. Your article says may have them.

I guess if you haven't learned to form your own opinion by this time in your life you may never.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 7:18:15 PM   
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The assassination attempts on Castro and Chavez were not carried out by US forces.
Bin Laden was never a legitimate foreign government member, but was simply a terrorist leader, apples and oranges.

Do you understand that no matter what you say he's going to continue to bait you?

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