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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey

The assassination attempts on Castro and Chavez were not carried out by US forces.


You really seem to enjoy playing stupid don't you? remember the cites I posted which define what letters of marque are?
It is where the government hires someone to go phoque up some one else.
Jesus you are phoqying stupid.

Bin Laden was never a legitimate foreign government member, but was simply a terrorist leader, apples and oranges.


The amerikan government executed a man without a trial just like the constitution says it can.

The cites you posted do NOT specify assassination. Whether you realize it or not people can be brought to justice without killing them.
Letters of Marque are something of an archaic item and haven't been used much at all in the last century. As I stated, they were primarily issued to bring in pirates who were foreign nationals without creating an international incident. Most letters of Marque resulted in trials, the exceptions were when the subject resisted arrest.

Bin Laden was considered a belligerent combatant, making him fair game for removal under the War Powers Act.

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Just because Regan liked them it does not give the Heritage Foundation any legal authority.

You would need something like a Supreme Court ruling to legalize assassination. That has never happened.

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LOL. The NKs have done what they always have done bluster-conciliation. The incompetent Il Douchovitch notwithstanding.

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Thompson is a retired Marine noncom. Let me share with you a little. My hunting partner is a former Marine scout sniper. The Marines, all of the services actually, keep a book that lists people who have graduated from classes in the service. So if a guy says he is a Marine sniper he should know his class number and you can actually go online, into the book and see if he's listed in the book as a graduate of that class or full of shit. Professional baseball is the same so if some guy tells you he pitched in the minor leagues for some team or another, you can look that up as well and see if that guy is full of shit.

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LOL. The NKs have done what they always have done bluster-conciliation. The incompetent Il Douchovitch notwithstanding.

Exactly.

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No, it isn't. It allows for that only in cases were resistance is encountered, in which case it does not amount to assassination. Taken in context the purpose of a letter of marque and reprisal is to bring the pirate to justice.

The US government gave up on letters of marque and reprisal 203 years ago, why can't you?

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Thompson is a retired Marine noncom. Let me share with you a little. My hunting partner is a former Marine scout sniper. The Marines, all of the services actually, keep a book that lists people who have graduated from classes in the service. So if a guy says he is a Marine sniper he should know his class number and you can actually go online, into the book and see if he's listed in the book as a graduate of that class or full of shit. Professional baseball is the same so if some guy tells you he pitched in the minor leagues for some team or another, you can look that up as well and see if that guy is full of shit.

Only if that person were to be willing to reveal his true identity on an online forum, presumably. I, for one, certainly wouldn't.

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No, it isn't. It allows for that only in cases were resistance is encountered, in which case it does not amount to assassination. Taken in context the purpose of a letter of marque and reprisal is to bring the pirate to justice.

The US government gave up on letters of marque and reprisal 203 years ago, why can't you?

Dude, you're going to have the government spent millions of dollars training Marine snipers, Recon teams, SEAL units, Delta units, and Rangers and then send them into a jungle in some country where Al Quiada has established a training base and have them shout "hands up" to the terrorists? Even if that was the rule and you could stop the team members from rolling on the floor laughing when that order was given, it's just not in the nature of the guys who would seek to be in that sort of unit. They might attempt to snatch a guy that may be useful for Intel, but those team members want to go home at the end of the day and nobody is going to ask them if they shouted three times for a dude to remove his hands from his pocket before they shot him.

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No, it isn't. It allows for that only in cases were resistance is encountered, in which case it does not amount to assassination. Taken in context the purpose of a letter of marque and reprisal is to bring the pirate to justice.

The US government gave up on letters of marque and reprisal 203 years ago, why can't you?

Dude, you're going to have the government spent millions of dollars training Marine snipers, Recon teams, SEAL units, Delta units, and Rangers and then send them into a jungle in some country where Al Quiada has established a training base and have them shout "hands up" to the terrorists? Even if that was the rule and you could stop the team members from rolling on the floor laughing when that order was given, it's just not in the nature of the guys who would seek to be in that sort of unit. They might attempt to snatch a guy that may be useful for Intel, but those team members want to go home at the end of the day and nobody is going to ask them if they shouted three times for a dude to remove his hands from his pocket before they shot him.

Your making the wrong comparison. Bin Laden and AlQueda were combatant belligerents that fell under the rules of the War Powers Act. The operation that took him out was a legitimate act of war, even if it fell under the Presidential powers clause and no war had been declared by Congress.
It had absolutely nothing to do with Letters of Marque and Reprisal, which are maritime in nature, and haven't been used by the US government since 1814, and were never intended to authorize assassination.

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Those were created by acts of Congress.

And to answer your earlier question, nope, never played Cello. At 13 my hobbies were bicycle racing, kayaking, (in kayaks I made myself) photography, (which I had just gotten into that year) rock climbing, snow skiing, sailing a Mossberg Mallard sailboard, (about like a sailfish, but with twice the sail area on an internally battened boomless sail) and shooting in Jr NRA competitions. When I went into the Air Force at 17 I was teaching snipers to shoot.

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Thompson is a retired Marine noncom. Let me share with you a little. My hunting partner is a former Marine scout sniper. The Marines, all of the services actually, keep a book that lists people who have graduated from classes in the service. So if a guy says he is a Marine sniper he should know his class number and you can actually go online, into the book and see if he's listed in the book as a graduate of that class or full of shit. Professional baseball is the same so if some guy tells you he pitched in the minor leagues for some team or another, you can look that up as well and see if that guy is full of shit.

Only if that person were to be willing to reveal his true identity on an online forum, presumably. I, for one, certainly wouldn't.

Are you saying a grunt has a choice? How silly. The graduation lists are published. To be in the Marines you have to volunteer, to take a class you have to volunteer. To remain in the class no matter how much it kicks your ass you have to volunteer. When you volunteer you accept the consequences. Do you understand that when a service member leaves the military all of that information is listed on their dd-214 which is a public document? I'm not saying it's easy to access, I've never done it and don't know how. But I've looked at a lot of dd-214's that former service members used to show gun safety competency when buying a gun in California. All of those dd-214's were zeroxed and kept in files at the gun shop. So what's the secret?

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Letters of Marque and Reprisal go as far back as the 1200s, they have never been used for anything but Naval actions. They have two basic intents, to combat piracy by foreign nationals without instigating a war, and to allow countries with no or small navies to basically hire out a private navy when required. That's why when they are written they specify that they must be executed through an Admiralty Court. Maybe you should do a bit of reading and find a copy of one that has actually been issued so you can familiarize yourself with their form and content.

Do a little research and show me the Letter of Marque and Reprisal that was used to assassinate Bin Laden, or anyone else you have mentioned. I'll save you some time, they don't exist.

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Thompson is a retired Marine noncom. Let me share with you a little. My hunting partner is a former Marine scout sniper. The Marines, all of the services actually, keep a book that lists people who have graduated from classes in the service. So if a guy says he is a Marine sniper he should know his class number and you can actually go online, into the book and see if he's listed in the book as a graduate of that class or full of shit. Professional baseball is the same so if some guy tells you he pitched in the minor leagues for some team or another, you can look that up as well and see if that guy is full of shit.

Only if that person were to be willing to reveal his true identity on an online forum, presumably. I, for one, certainly wouldn't.

Are you saying a grunt has a choice? How silly. The graduation lists are published. To be in the Marines you have to volunteer, to take a class you have to volunteer. To remain in the class no matter how much it kicks your ass you have to volunteer. When you volunteer you accept the consequences. Do you understand that when a service member leaves the military all of that information is listed on their dd-214 which is a public document? I'm not saying it's easy to access, I've never done it and don't know how. But I've looked at a lot of dd-214's that former service members used to show gun safety competency when buying a gun in California. All of those dd-214's were zeroxed and kept in files at the gun shop. So what's the secret?

What has any of that to do with revealing your true identity on an internet forum? You're saying that a military serial number can be connected to a name. So why would I give out my that identity just to prove something to somebody on a forum I don't even like, much less care about?

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You're older than I, slightly, so I know you weren't one of my kids. But you should know that those of us "normal" people who matriculated with guys like you generally enjoyed the experience.

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Thompson is a retired Marine noncom. Let me share with you a little. My hunting partner is a former Marine scout sniper. The Marines, all of the services actually, keep a book that lists people who have graduated from classes in the service. So if a guy says he is a Marine sniper he should know his class number and you can actually go online, into the book and see if he's listed in the book as a graduate of that class or full of shit. Professional baseball is the same so if some guy tells you he pitched in the minor leagues for some team or another, you can look that up as well and see if that guy is full of shit.

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Thompson is a retired Marine noncom. Let me share with you a little. My hunting partner is a former Marine scout sniper. The Marines, all of the services actually, keep a book that lists people who have graduated from classes in the service. So if a guy says he is a Marine sniper he should know his class number and you can actually go online, into the book and see if he's listed in the book as a graduate of that class or full of shit. Professional baseball is the same so if some guy tells you he pitched in the minor leagues for some team or another, you can look that up as well and see if that guy is full of shit.

and after they can no longer call you up since your inactive service period expired, they could give a fuck less about those books, and they are either in St. Louis Fires, or lost in the shuffle or the difference in record keeping systems in the different branches of the military. KNLN (anyone? bueller? anyone?) and paperwork reduction act(s) have further eroded records. But say the 'book' made it to the National Archives: You can get your own records. You can get records of provably very close relatives by paying lots of money........but none of you will ever get information from class numbers or books............what school did you go to? Marine Scout Sniper, SOTIC, Benning..etc? There are many people who held the job of sniper never going to school for various reasons (like the school trained one just got killed by an IED; hey private, you are it!!!) Hell, the US army didnt have the MOS until 2011. I guarantee there were army snipers before that. ...Private Jackson!!!!!! LOL.