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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 7:31:52 PM   
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The assassination attempts on Castro and Chavez were not carried out by US forces.
Bin Laden was never a legitimate foreign government member, but was simply a terrorist leader, apples and oranges.

Do you understand that no matter what you say he's going to continue to bait you?


Yeah, he seems to have a very tenuous grip on reality. He even believes that the Heritage Foundation makes US policy apparently.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 8:08:12 PM   
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The assassination attempts on Castro and Chavez were not carried out by US forces.


You really seem to enjoy playing stupid don't you? remember the cites I posted which define what letters of marque are?
It is where the government hires someone to go phoque up some one else.
Jesus you are phoqying stupid.

Bin Laden was never a legitimate foreign government member, but was simply a terrorist leader, apples and oranges.


The amerikan government executed a man without a trial just like the constitution says it can.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 8:37:58 PM   
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The assassination attempts on Castro and Chavez were not carried out by US forces.


You really seem to enjoy playing stupid don't you? remember the cites I posted which define what letters of marque are?
It is where the government hires someone to go phoque up some one else.
Jesus you are phoqying stupid.

Bin Laden was never a legitimate foreign government member, but was simply a terrorist leader, apples and oranges.


The amerikan government executed a man without a trial just like the constitution says it can.



The cites you posted do NOT specify assassination. Whether you realize it or not people can be brought to justice without killing them.
Letters of Marque are something of an archaic item and haven't been used much at all in the last century. As I stated, they were primarily issued to bring in pirates who were foreign nationals without creating an international incident. Most letters of Marque resulted in trials, the exceptions were when the subject resisted arrest.

Bin Laden was considered a belligerent combatant, making him fair game for removal under the War Powers Act.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 8:38:03 PM   
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Yeah, he seems to have a very tenuous grip on reality. He even believes that the Heritage Foundation makes US policy apparently.


President Reagan and Heritage founder Ed Feulner (right) at the Heritage Foundation's 10th anniversary gala in 1983.
(Heritage Foundation)

During the 1980 election, an up-and-coming Washington think tank called the Heritage Foundation undertook a massive task: to examine the federal government from top to bottom and produce a detailed, practical conservative policy vision.
The result, called Mandate for Leadership, epitomized the intellectual ambition of the then-rising conservative movement. Its 20 volumes, totaling more than 3,000 pages, included such proposals as income-tax cuts, inner-city “enterprise zones,” a presidential line-item veto, and a new Air Force bomber.
Despite the publication's academic prose and mind-boggling level of detail, it caused a sensation. A condensed version -- still more than 1,000 pages -- became a paperback bestseller in Washington. The newly elected Ronald Reagan passed out copies at his first Cabinet meeting, and it quickly became his administration’s blueprint. By the end of Reagan’s first year in office, 60 percent of the Mandate’s 2,000 ideas were being implemented, and the Republican Party’s status as a hotbed of intellectual energy was ratified. It was a Democrat, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who would declare in 1981, “Of a sudden, the GOP has become a party of ideas.”


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/the-real-cuban-missile-crisis/309190/



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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 8:41:55 PM   
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You would need something like a Supreme Court ruling to legalize assassination. That has never happened.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 8:44:50 PM   
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The assassination attempts on Castro and Chavez were not carried out by US forces.


You really seem to enjoy playing stupid don't you? remember the cites I posted which define what letters of marque are?
It is where the government hires someone to go phoque up some one else.
Jesus you are phoqying stupid.

Bin Laden was never a legitimate foreign government member, but was simply a terrorist leader, apples and oranges.


The amerikan government executed a man without a trial just like the constitution says it can.



The cites you posted do NOT specify assassination.

What is your point? Does it specify that execution is prohibited?


Whether you realize it or not people can be brought to justice without killing them.



Why would you do that? What is the advantage to the privateer?


Letters of Marque are something of an archaic item and haven't been used much at all in the last century.


What is your point? It is in the constitution and can be used at will.

As I stated, they were primarily issued to bring in pirates who were foreign nationals without creating an international incident.

Cite please


Most letters of Marque resulted in trials, the exceptions were when the subject resisted arrest.

Cite please

Bin Laden was considered a belligerent combatant, making him fair game for removal under the War Powers Act.

Cite please


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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 8:48:37 PM   
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Just because Regan liked them it does not give the Heritage Foundation any legal authority.


Perhaps if you got one of the grown up from school to help you with the big words that I bolded.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

You would need something like a Supreme Court ruling to legalize assassination. That has never happened.


It is in the constitution dumbass the court has no jurisdiction...how did you get to be so phoquing ignorant???did you go to school
with greta?

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 8:53:57 PM   
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Letters of Margue do NOT override Due Process, which is also in the Constitution. They have never been used to do so.

If you really believe Bin Laden was an innocent bystander executed by the US under anything but the War Powers Act,

you have a very poor grip on recent history.

Hello! The Supreme Court IS the final authority on Constitutional interpretation.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 8:56:12 PM   
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Privateers were paid a bounty.

Cite please

Letters of Margue do NOT override Due Process,

Roflmfao
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


wh

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 9:35:55 PM   
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I'll just about guarantee you kinkroids, Trump had nothing whatsoever to do with this. China told N. Korea that were all on their own.

Case closed. Trump thankfully, was never going to fire the first shot. The Chinese don't like this un. I am sure they feel this twerp is loose cannon.

Un was playing with house money, the Chinese just...cut him off.

Tin foil hat time. Didn't that cabal of mysterious men meet with trump and let him know what happened to JFK would happen to him if he didn't play ball. Or is that how you know trump had absolutely nothing to do with the situation. You'll have to let us know.

Not only am I correct but it's worse. Trump caved to China to get a UN Res. passed (and a weak one) by foregoing a sect. 301 intellectual property theft investigation. Now Trump is cornered for Chinese support against NK.

Once again, Trump didn't do anything except bumble along as a dupe. Now Xi and Putin both own him.

HERE

So, after further review, you are correct. This really is another example of Trump's incompetency.

And yet, just this morning the news says trump set up a commission to investigate Chinese intellectual theft of property. But, even if what you said was true...ya like that's going to happen...it's been clear for months the U.S. may have to concede some trade issues to China in order to have them play ball helping the U.S. stop nucs flying to Guam. I wonder why your an idiot enough not to have realized that sooner and not criticize trump for preferring some trade issues over Americans being made into crispy critters. Or is it you just have to bitch because you're a hateful person and that's just your thing.

Not surprisingly...all irrelevant except for more Trump embarrassment.

This OP is about how Trump made Kim capitulate and that is nowhere near the truth. The Chinese let Kim know he is on his own, so no more fucking games or bullshit missile launches.

Not even a nice try suggesting somehow Americans are in danger. Furthermore, Trump almost made a complete ass of himself during the campaign that according to him, our prior trade diplomacy was incompetent and only he knew how to deal with the Chinese.

As usual again, what a crock of bullshit. You are suggesting that any president should back down on trade because of military threat. That's cowardice in the face of blackmail.

If there is hate in my heart, it is for the ignorance, complicity by acquiescence of the right and all over this egoist, stupid ass, incompetent megalomaniac we have in the white house.

It is just the fawning and ass-kissing of herr Trump I see in just this kind of OP.


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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 9:42:44 PM   
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How do we get videos of Kim Jung Un but we can't manage to kill him?


Congress passed a law quite a long time ago, forbidding the assassination of any foreign leader

And you actually think that stops them ? What world have you been watching ?

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 10:34:29 PM   
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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/the-real-cuban-missile-crisis/309190/


Right.

So, I read through all that, and somehow missed out on the part which allegedly supports your claim that fat-face is a smart as Khrushchev, and that NK's bomb, or maybe-bomb, is as big a threat to the US now as all the bombs in the USSR you inventoried as of 1962.

You're a big help.



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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/15/2017 11:35:58 PM   
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Privateers were paid a bounty.

Cite please

Letters of Margue do NOT override Due Process,

Roflmfao.


https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Letter%20of%20marque

"The letter of marque by its terms required privateers to bring captured vessels and their cargoes before admiralty courts of their own or allied countries for condemnation. Applying the rules and customs of prize law, the courts decided whether the letter of marque was valid and current, and whether the captured vessel or its cargo in fact belonged to the enemy (not always easy, when flying false flags was common practice), and if so the prize and its cargo were "condemned," to be sold at auction with the proceeds divided among the privateer's owner and crew. A prize court's formal condemnation was required to transfer title; otherwise the vessel's previous owners might well reclaim her on her next voyage, and seek damages for the confiscated cargo."

http://www.constitution.org/mil/lmr/lmr.htm

"Letters of marque and reprisal are commissions or warrants issued to someone to commit what would otherwise be acts of piracy. They will normally contain the following first three elements, unless they imply or refer to a declaration of war to define the enemies, and may optionally contain the remainder:"


1.Names person, authorizes him to pass beyond borders with forces under his command.
2.Specifies nationality of targets for action.
3.Authorizes seizure or destruction of assets or personnel of target nationality.
4.Describes offense for which commission is issued as reprisal.
5.Restriction on time, manner, place, or amount of reprisal."


Clearly there were specific limits to letters of marque and reprisal, and they were not a license to kill.

For historical reference the last letter of marque and reprisal issued by the US government was in 1814. Unless you choose to include the 99 that were issued by the CSA in 1865.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/16/2017 4:30:12 AM   
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Privateers were paid a bounty.

Cite please

Letters of Margue do NOT override Due Process,

Roflmfao.


https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Letter%20of%20marque

"The letter of marque by its terms required privateers to bring captured vessels and their cargoes before admiralty courts of their own or allied countries for condemnation. Applying the rules and customs of prize law, the courts decided whether the letter of marque was valid and current, and whether the captured vessel or its cargo in fact belonged to the enemy (not always easy, when flying false flags was common practice), and if so the prize and its cargo were "condemned," to be sold at auction with the proceeds divided among the privateer's owner and crew. A prize court's formal condemnation was required to transfer title; otherwise the vessel's previous owners might well reclaim her on her next voyage, and seek damages for the confiscated cargo."

http://www.constitution.org/mil/lmr/lmr.htm

"Letters of marque and reprisal are commissions or warrants issued to someone to commit what would otherwise be acts of piracy. They will normally contain the following first three elements, unless they imply or refer to a declaration of war to define the enemies, and may optionally contain the remainder:"


1.Names person, authorizes him to pass beyond borders with forces under his command.
2.Specifies nationality of targets for action.
3.Authorizes seizure or destruction of assets or personnel of target nationality.
4.Describes offense for which commission is issued as reprisal.
5.Restriction on time, manner, place, or amount of reprisal."


Clearly there were specific limits to letters of marque and reprisal, and they were not a license to kill.

Perhaps you could get missinfoman to explain that the bolded part is a license to kill.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/16/2017 7:14:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, it isn't. It allows for that only in cases were resistance is encountered, in which case it does not amount to assassination. Taken in context the purpose of a letter of marque and reprisal is to bring the pirate to justice.

The US government gave up on letters of marque and reprisal 203 years ago, why can't you?

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/16/2017 7:27:44 AM   
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No, it isn't. It allows for that only in cases were resistance is encountered, in which case it does not amount to assassination. Taken in context the purpose of a letter of marque and reprisal is to bring the pirate to justice.

The US government gave up on letters of marque and reprisal 203 years ago, why can't you?


The article is quite clear. It does not speak to pirates but to nations.
The amerikan government assassinated ngo diem, and osama bin laden it tried to assanate castro and chavez.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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Authorizes seizure or destruction of assets or personnel of target nationality.


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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/16/2017 7:38:45 AM   
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The article is quite clear. It does not speak to pirates but to nations.
The amerikan government assassinated ngo diem, and osama bin laden it tried to assanate castro and chavezp.


Cite please.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/16/2017 7:47:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		1963 South Vietnamese coup, and Arrest and assassination of Ngô Đình Diệm

As the Buddhist crisis deepened in July 1963, non-communist Vietnamese nationalists and the military began preparations for a coup. Bùi Diễm, later South Vietnam's Ambassador to the United States, reported in his memoirs that General Lê Văn Kim requested his aid in learning what the United States might do about Diệm's government.[116] Diễm had contacts in both the embassy and with the high-profile American journalists then in South Vietnam, David Halberstam (New York Times), Neil Sheehan (United Press International) and Malcolm Browne (Associated Press)

The coup d'état was designed by a military revolutionary council including ARVN generals led by General Dương Văn Minh. Lucien Conein, a CIA operative, had become a liaison between the US Embassy and the generals, who were led by Trần Văn Đôn. They met each other for the first time on 2 October 1963 at Tân Sơn Nhất airport. Three days later, Conein met with General Dương Văn Minh to discuss the coup and the stance of the US towards it.[118] Conein then delivered the White House's message of American non-intervention, which was reiterated by Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. the US ambassador, who gave secret assurances to the generals that the United States would not interfere.[119]

Miller argues that the role of the US in the coup should not be overstated, since the coup was mainly a Vietnamese affair already planned by the Vietnamese generals.


From Wikipedia, excerpted from a New York Times article. Even the most basic research could have found that.

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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/16/2017 8:05:18 AM   
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From Wikipedia,


Weren't you the punkassmotherphoquer who told me that wiki was not a valid source?


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RE: New example of Trump incompetency - 8/16/2017 8:07:16 AM   
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The article is quite clear. It does not speak to pirates but to nations.
The amerikan government assassinated ngo diem, and osama bin laden it tried to assanate castro and chavez.


Cite please.


It was in all the papers and on the news....seal team six sent by the president snuffed osama bin laden.

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