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Musicmystery -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 6:35:17 AM)

No, you have this imaginary Conservative Land besieged by hordes as the focus for your intact of information. It distorts it badly.

That America is a wealthy country is inarguable. That others in other lands have it worse is true. That our poor are living large is bullshit.




Danemora -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 6:43:06 AM)

Yes, we know. "Howler," "alt right good," "Trump," and insults about the intelligence of others. Typical boring ol' Bosco fare. Same old shit, brand new day




BoscoX -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 6:53:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

Yes, we know. "Howler," "alt right good," "Trump," and insults about the intelligence of others. Typical boring ol' Bosco fare. Same old shit, brand new day


THAT would explain you mindless howlers constantly obsessing over my posts...

Oh wait..




Danemora -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 7:33:01 AM)

Your posts are one-trick ponies at a circus, Bosco. No one obsesses about them, love. You try so hard...and come up short each time. Its so sad. We worry about you suffocating with your cranium so firmly inserted up the ol' poop chute




BoscoX -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 7:43:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

Your posts are one-trick ponies at a circus, Bosco. No one obsesses about them, love. You try so hard...and come up short each time. Its so sad. We worry about you suffocating with your cranium so firmly inserted up the ol' poop chute


THAT would explain you mindless howlers constantly obsessing over my posts...

Oh wait..




Danemora -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 7:47:04 AM)

Like I said...one trick pony out here tricking




BoscoX -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 2:56:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

No, you have this imaginary Conservative Land besieged by hordes as the focus for your intact of information. It distorts it badly.

That America is a wealthy country is inarguable. That others in other lands have it worse is true. That our poor are living large is bullshit.


No, you can spew shit from your imagination about a pretend reality that doesn't exist and you are quite good at copy&paste propaganda but you will never be able to understand a debate from another perspective

You lack the capacity to understand that other points of view are legitimate, a big part of what makes you a leftist

Dissent must be crushed. Antifa the Nazis who believe in free speech, all of that mindless howler rot

It's why socialism can never work, shit-for-brains totalitarian bastards like you




bounty44 -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 3:40:33 PM)

a little of stuff like this has already been shared. for a larger version, read here comrades:

http://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/report/how-poor-are-americas-poor-examining-the-plague-poverty-america

you know, the "fools" at heritage spouting "childish, ridiculous, shit"

little spipppets to lure you:

quote:

•Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
•Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
•Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
•The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
•Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
•Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
•Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
•Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

As a group, America's poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms...

Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family's essential needs. While this individual's life is not opulent, it is equally far from the popular images of dire poverty conveyed by the press, liberal activists, and politicians...

The living conditions of persons defined as poor by the government bear little resemblance to notions of "poverty" promoted by politicians and political activists. If poverty is defined as lacking adequate nutritious food for one's family, a reasonably warm and dry apartment to live in, or a car with which to get to work when one is needed, then there are relatively few poor persons remaining in the United States. Real material hardship does occur, but it is limited in scope and severity.




BoscoX -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 3:52:00 PM)


Contrast that with third world poor

What they call poor here is oftentimes fat and sassy




tamaka -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 3:55:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Contrast that with third world poor

What they call poor here is oftentimes fat and sassy


So what's your point? Our poor is well-off compared to the poor in 3rd world countries? Are we supposed to feel good about that?. What about all of the homeless people?




BoscoX -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 4:02:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Contrast that with third world poor

What they call poor here is oftentimes fat and sassy


So what's your point? Our poor is well-off compared to the poor in 3rd world countries? Are we supposed to feel good about that?. What about all of the homeless people?



The usual idiots scream that we don't spend enough on welfare, but why spend more when our poor live really large comparatively. AND, most of our "poor" can get ahead if they choose to work at it

And leftists want to destroy the goose that lays the golden eggs (capitalism) in the name of "the poor" so that we can all be third world poor, but at least equal

Many homeless people are substance abusers and / or suffer mental health issues. And many choose to be homeless. You know, the sun at your back, the wind in your hair, no responsibilities... No one to answer to but you and your dog or whatever





MrRodgers -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 6:50:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

a little of stuff like this has already been shared. for a larger version, read here comrades:

http://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/report/how-poor-are-americas-poor-examining-the-plague-poverty-america

you know, the "fools" at heritage spouting "childish, ridiculous, shit"

little spipppets to lure you:

quote:

•Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
•Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
•Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
•The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
•Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
•Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
•Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
•Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

As a group, America's poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms...

Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family's essential needs. While this individual's life is not opulent, it is equally far from the popular images of dire poverty conveyed by the press, liberal activists, and politicians...

The living conditions of persons defined as poor by the government bear little resemblance to notions of "poverty" promoted by politicians and political activists. If poverty is defined as lacking adequate nutritious food for one's family, a reasonably warm and dry apartment to live in, or a car with which to get to work when one is needed, then there are relatively few poor persons remaining in the United States. Real material hardship does occur, but it is limited in scope and severity.


Like Ive written, there are Trillion$ more wealth to be sucked from the poor in the US. Maybe you'll live long enough, I may not but there will be a time...just wait.

I mean yes, by all means forget the poor because after all. in the mindset of the right, they aren't...like you and me, so fuck 'em.




Nnanji -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 7:05:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

a little of stuff like this has already been shared. for a larger version, read here comrades:

http://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/report/how-poor-are-americas-poor-examining-the-plague-poverty-america

you know, the "fools" at heritage spouting "childish, ridiculous, shit"

little spipppets to lure you:

quote:

•Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
•Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
•Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
•The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
•Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
•Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
•Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
•Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

As a group, America's poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms...

Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family's essential needs. While this individual's life is not opulent, it is equally far from the popular images of dire poverty conveyed by the press, liberal activists, and politicians...

The living conditions of persons defined as poor by the government bear little resemblance to notions of "poverty" promoted by politicians and political activists. If poverty is defined as lacking adequate nutritious food for one's family, a reasonably warm and dry apartment to live in, or a car with which to get to work when one is needed, then there are relatively few poor persons remaining in the United States. Real material hardship does occur, but it is limited in scope and severity.


Like Ive written, there are Trillion$ more wealth to be sucked from the poor in the US. Maybe you'll live long enough, I may not but there will be a time...just wait.

I mean yes, by all means forget the poor because after all. in the mindset of the right, they aren't...like you and me, so fuck 'em.

Damn I lost the parlay. I did win the bet that you'd have a very negative comment on how the system is so terrible. I lost the part of the bet on the system sucking the poor dry. I really thought it was going to be the system needs them to have color TV's like Rome needed the arena.




MrRodgers -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 8:24:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Contrast that with third world poor

What they call poor here is oftentimes fat and sassy


So what's your point? Our poor is well-off compared to the poor in 3rd world countries? Are we supposed to feel good about that?. What about all of the homeless people?



The usual idiots scream that we don't spend enough on welfare, but why spend more when our poor live really large comparatively. AND, most of our "poor" can get ahead if they choose to work at it

And leftists want to destroy the goose that lays the golden eggs (capitalism) in the name of "the poor" so that we can all be third world poor, but at least equal

Many homeless people are substance abusers and / or suffer mental health issues. And many choose to be homeless. You know, the sun at your back, the wind in your hair, no responsibilities... No one to answer to but you and your dog or whatever



The poor pay dearly for their bad choices while the rich make choices such as to be greedy and criminal and they are bonused, kept rich and get...clean away with it. No one to answer to either.

That's akin to the poor robbing a 7/11...and walks off scott free.

They are more likely to be shot but hey, that's ok, they are not like...you and me.




MrRodgers -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 8:26:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Contrast that with third world poor

What they call poor here is oftentimes fat and sassy


So what's your point? Our poor is well-off compared to the poor in 3rd world countries? Are we supposed to feel good about that?. What about all of the homeless people?



The usual idiots scream that we don't spend enough on welfare, but why spend more when our poor live really large comparatively. AND, most of our "poor" can get ahead if they choose to work at it

And leftists want to destroy the goose that lays the golden eggs (capitalism) in the name of "the poor" so that we can all be third world poor, but at least equal

Many homeless people are substance abusers and / or suffer mental health issues. And many choose to be homeless. You know, the sun at your back, the wind in your hair, no responsibilities... No one to answer to but you and your dog or whatever



I am sure the capitalist wants the govt. to spend more on welfare...corporate welfare.




BoscoX -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 8:33:23 PM)


Crony government intervention is often a hallmark of Dear Leader socialists, and opposed by fiscal conservatives

Think Obama, and Solyndra for example




Marini -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 10:11:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

No, I do not think that the tipping point has been reached, far too many still cling to the idea that they too might be able to somehow worm their way into the exploitative class, however, it is approaching with increasing rapidity. The wealth inequality crisis will be the trigger, it is the inevitable downfall of every exploitative system.
and as for why the system matters, well not all systems are equally amenable to an exploitative class. Capitalism requires it, it is based on the existence of an exploiting minority and an exploited majority. Socialism makes it more difficult for a single interrelated exploitative class to arise, rather it is prone to the danger of multiple exploitative groups, but they will share less of a class consciousness. Communism, makes it even more difficult, and the exploitative elements to which it is prone would be very diverse, and thus less inimical to the health of the whole body politic.



I read the link you sent, Marxist.org
It was almost biblical in nature, "Make the Earth a common treasury".
Fascinating read, thank you.

Very few people these days would be able to accept these ideals, and embrace that way of life.




Awareness -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 10:24:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

quote:

An odd statement, considering the absence of wildly successful socialist societies in the world.

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Not in the slightest, seeing as I made no mention of societies. My statement6 only becomes odd when you add shit to it in your mind that I never put in the original. Try paying closer attention to what is actually said in the future.
Your statement is odd because you provide zero evidence to back it up and I point out that there is zero geopolitical evidence to back it up. You respond by making some vague handwaving claim that that isn't what you meant, but at that point you're reduced to making some unsupportable claim that socialism simply doesn't scale well (or, even more pathetically, claiming that no large society has 'done it right') and you dissolve in a chaotic miasma of incredulity.

In short, you're a fucking idiot.

You're welcome.




Awareness -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 10:26:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: Marini

you are a man on here drunk/and or high, talking trash on a regular basis, with no reality.
Yes, he truly has found his people. If there's a place in the world where he belongs, it's here with the other fucktards who talk trash on a regular basis with "no reality".


[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Jyw6kO8x_c/S36Cy5CwIvI/AAAAAAAAA-k/uTrjBIKcJgQ/s320/IronyMeterSplode.jpg[/img]
And there's one of them, right there.

Good boy. You came when I called. Who's a good boy then? You are. You're a good boy!

Now fetch this fucking ball you fucking dopey fucking puppy.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/26/2017 10:27:32 PM)

Well, Winstanley was very biblically inspired. I am glad you liked it, and I hope some of what he wrote 400 years ago still speaks to you today.
If you are interested in more of his writings, try here: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/winstanley/1652/law-freedom/law-freedom.pdf

Edited to change "bionically" to the intended "biblically"





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