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Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 7:10:34 AM   
jlf1961


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Status: offline 		The GOP was screaming for Obama to pull our troops our of Iraq and lower the number of US troops in Afghanistan?

Well, Donald Trump has announced his plan on Afghanistan...

He is going to send more US troops back to Afghanistan.

Lets look at the successful invasions and occupations of this wonderful landlocked country:

The Persians invaded, occupied and got their asses handed to them....
The Greeks invaded, occupied and got their asses handed to them....
The Kush invaded, occupied and got their asses handed to them...
The Arabs invaded, occupied and got their asses handed to them...
The Mongols invaded, occupied and got their assess handed to them...
The Sikhs invaded, occupied and got their asses handed to them...
The British invaded, occupied and got their asses handed to them...
The Soviets invaded, occupied and got their asses handed to them...
Now our great nation has invaded, occupied (okay we are helping establish a central government in a country where the people pride themselves on killing each other) and guess where that is going to end.

But there is a difference, our esteemed president does not want ISIS to gain a foothold and to stop the Taliban....

It does not matter to anyone that our only allies in that country happen to be the warlords making a fortune off opium, which is turned into heroin and sold on US streets....

Reagan had the right idea, give those lunatics the weapons and let them fight it out and just send in guys to teach them how to use the weapons we give them.

Lets face it, when the enemy dresses like the friendlies and you have no clue who the bad guys are until they start shooting at you, you be fucked.

You would think that the politicians would have figured that much out after the fiasco of Vietnam.

Its the primary reason that terrorists can move around without anyone knowing who the fuck they are until they blow something up, gun down a lot of people or drive a fucking car into a crowd.

It is also the very reason why, as much as we hate to admit it, that a higher collateral damage ratio is acceptable in the age of dealing with insurgents and guerilla groups.

Drop a shit ton of bombs, and while we may blast some friendlies into the hereafter, we will definitely kill the bad guys.

Hey Mr President, speaking as a former infantry trooper, may I suggest that instead of putting boots on the ground, you take all of or wonderful bombers and use up a large portion of the half billion tons of dumb bombs left over from the cold war and carpet bomb the fucking country back to pre stone age?

Sorry, but I would rather see a thousand dead friendly non combatants than a few thousand dead grunts who had no idea who would be shooting at them until they got put into body bags.

However, if you are going to insist on this course of action, make one thing clear:

For every one American trooper put in a body bag, we will round up and execute 100 locals, friend or foe alike since there is no fucking way to tell the damn difference.

Teach the mother fuckers what terror really means.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 7:29:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I remember that Trump is against sending American Troops into Iraq.

But I feel the situation was different.

USA messed the fuck out of Iraq. ISIS was born from the ashes of Al Qaeda.

On Afghanistan though, they did drive out Taliban, BUT the problem is, the current government is still quite useless in keeping Taliban from taking over again.

I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.

After all, Al Qaeda rose from Taliban.

So I believe Trump's reasoning for more Troops into Afghanistan is about defeating ISIS.

And ISIS hiding out in Afghanistan is more genuine than invading Iraq for Saddam's weapons of Mass Destruction.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 7:41:02 AM   
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The GOP was screaming for Obama to pull our troops our of Iraq and lower the number of US troops in Afghanistan?



Nope

You pulled that out of your ass, just like most everything else that you post.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 7:48:53 AM   
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I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.


Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.

As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 8:24:29 AM   
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I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.


Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.

As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue

Wow, what a juvenile position. Must be tough to be immature as well as not very bright. As Trump has said all along, he will not announce to the world, as Obama did, future plans. He will bargain with leaders from other nations from a position that is advantageous for this country. Having learned, from Obama, that just pulling our troops out of the region in order to garner political will at home just makes for a larger mess in the future. So of course he's not going to pull an Obama. Everybody...well, every thinking body...knew that. Unlike Obama, you can be sure you don't know the entire plan, which is a good thing. Apparently, the entire plan requires the U.S. To be in some position that cannot be achieved, or held, with existing troop levels.

Get a clue dearie, what you and your coven think usually has nothing to do with reality. So when you proudly spout your coven's nonsense you just look silly.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 8:36:12 AM   
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The GOP was screaming for Obama to pull our troops our of Iraq and lower the number of US troops in Afghanistan?



Nope

You pulled that out of your ass, just like most everything else that you post.



Oh really?

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 8:50:23 AM   
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I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.


Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.

As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue


Anyone with sense has seen that the only exit strategy since Bush sent troops to the ME has been Obam's utter political sop failure that created ISIS. Had you paid the least sliver of attention to what Trump has said instead of being a silly little girl making fun of him you'd see stuff like this:



http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-afghanistan-idUSKCN1B109Q?il=0

quote:

Trump has previously called for a U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. On Monday he said his original instinct was to pull out all American troops but that he was convinced otherwise by his military advisers after a lengthy strategy review.

"The consequences of a rapid exit are both predictable and unacceptable," he said. "A hasty withdrawal would create a vacuum that terrorists, including ISIS (Islamic State) and al Qaeda, would instantly fill."


quote:

Trump said "our troops will fight to win", but he also stressed that ultimately Afghanistan's police and army must do most of the fighting to defeat the Taliban and allied Islamist militants.


So rather than just assuming Trump is breaking a promise, perhaps he has an exit strategy other than what that fool Obama did. And if you could keep more than one silly thought in your head at a time, maybe you'll recall Trump has said more than once he'd never announce his plans to the enemy like the fool Obama did. While I understand your preference is to play giggle and mock with your coven, I'm hoping we now have an actual exit strategy that will actually get us out of Afghanistan without creating another JV terrorist force.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 8:57:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The GOP was screaming for Obama to pull our troops our of Iraq and lower the number of US troops in Afghanistan?



Nope

You pulled that out of your ass, just like most everything else that you post.



Oh really?

I read most of what you linked until it started repeating itself. For the life of me I can't see where the GOP was screaming for Obama to pull our troops out. It was very critical of Obama, as is most political propaganda. But, as I didn't see what you said, perhaps you'll provide a quote of what you think says the GOP was screaming to pull troops.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 8:58:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The GOP was screaming for Obama to pull our troops our of Iraq and lower the number of US troops in Afghanistan?



Nope

You pulled that out of your ass, just like most everything else that you post.



Oh really?

The really fucking pathetic thing is that it was just part of the general "uppity nigger in the whitehouse"-phobic obstructionism that the GOP spent eight years ignoring the rest of the political landscape to concentrate on. Something else they opposed Obama doing, but would have been all for if Sorebutt and Barbie had been doing it rather than a half-caste president with a "D" after his name.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 9:25:51 AM   
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I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.

Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.


Truth.

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As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue


What was Trump's 'promise to get out of Afghanistan?' Did Trump give a deadline for us getting out of Afghanistan? If he gets us out in, say, 3 years, then he still lived up to the whole "get us out of Afghanistan" thing, no?

Candidate Obama was very aggressive in his promises, and many of those ended up being sound bites for conservatives as he figured out that he didn't have all the information and his promises were way too lofty. President Obama changed some of Candidate Obama's promises shortly after becoming President because he finally had more intel that showed him how he wasn't going to be able to follow through with his promises (and many of the changes were simply to 'deadlines').

There are also times when an increase of manpower will result in a speedier withdrawal process. If there is a list of things that need to get done prior to full withdrawal, more hands working on that list makes sense, doesn't it?

President Obama (and this applies to President Bush, and will apply to President Trump) was in a Catch-22. Does he give a deadline for US troop involvement? It might give a sense of urgency to the Afghi government to get their heads our of their asses and step up, but it will also give enemy combatants a goal to reach, if they can just hold out to after that deadline, they might be able to realize their own goals.

I think Trump and his military advisers (both Cabinet level and in the Pentagon) need to make sure there is a list of things that need to be done prior to withdrawal (the list being geared towards withdrawal as quickly as possible) that ensures the Afghan government has the training and tools to succeed (which does not necessarily guarantee success) after we leave. Then, go full bore into completing all those tasks. Don't announce what the tasks are. Don't announce completion of any task. When they are done, gtfo.

I do think there needs to be a deadline, but it can't be an announced deadline. I think the boost to the enemy combatants overrides the sense of urgency it can bring to the Afghan government. If we reach that deadline, we simply pull out and leave. At some point in time, the Afghan government has to stand up on its own two feet and not rely on foreign powers to rule (which is why Russia left; the Kremlin finally got tired of the Afghan regime not pulling its own weight, so they up and left).




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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 9:26:38 AM   
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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 9:27:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The GOP was screaming for Obama to pull our troops our of Iraq and lower the number of US troops in Afghanistan?



Nope

You pulled that out of your ass, just like most everything else that you post.



Oh really?

I read most of what you linked until it started repeating itself. For the life of me I can't see where the GOP was screaming for Obama to pull our troops out. It was very critical of Obama, as is most political propaganda. But, as I didn't see what you said, perhaps you'll provide a quote of what you think says the GOP was screaming to pull troops.


Sorry, miss worded that one, since it was the GOP criticizing Obama for not keeping the promise to pull the troops out of Afghanistan while simultaneously criticizing him for pulling too many troops out of Afghanistan.


Rates right up there with some dems who are criticizing Trump for not doing enough to stabilize the region and also being critical of putting more troops on the ground.

But the problem in Afghanistan was not the number of troops.

The problem in Afghanistan is the simple fact that whole damn population is still stuck in a tribal culture. The tribe is first and foremost, then it is their religion, then it is their region and finally it is their country.

Even our allies will blow us to hell if the other side makes them a better offer.

So 'winning the hearts and minds' of the people will not, can not work.

So, since the radical Islamic extremists that make up the Taliban and ISIS already consider the US the 'Great Satan' then fuck them and forget troops on the ground.

Carpet bomb the entire fucking country until it makes the moon look like Bonneville salt flats in comparison.

However, if we are going to increase the number of troops on the ground by raising the number of combat soldiers in country, I have a piece of investment advice:

Invest in the following firms:

Classic Plastics Corp- makes body bags
Bioseal- makes body bags

They will be selling thousands of them to the US military.

You might also want to put a lot of money into Remington stock, they are the largest suppliers of US military ammo

Although, another thought is air saturation mining of the countryside with a modern version of the WW2 German land mine, referred to the type two bouncing betty.

That mine was not designed to kill but to castrate the unlucky guy that stepped on it.

Call it extreme population control for Islamic extremists. No balls, no children.


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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 9:28:29 AM   
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Obam's utter political sop failure that created ISIS.

You mean the deal Bush made and Obama was stuck with honouring?

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 10:16:35 AM   
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Obam's utter political sop failure that created ISIS.

You mean the deal Bush made and Obama was stuck with honouring?

Yes. Except we don't use the "U" in honoring and Obama obviously didn't honor it or ISIS wouldn't exist. Two politicians fucked it up and on the very first day the third politician (cough cough) announces a new plan we may be skeptical but also hopeful. Time will tell...time and I'm sure a few to many lives.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 10:25:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I remember that Trump is against sending American Troops into Iraq.

But I feel the situation was different.

USA messed the fuck out of Iraq. ISIS was born from the ashes of Al Qaeda.

On Afghanistan though, they did drive out Taliban, BUT the problem is, the current government is still quite useless in keeping Taliban from taking over again.

I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.

After all, Al Qaeda rose from Taliban.

So I believe Trump's reasoning for more Troops into Afghanistan is about defeating ISIS.

And ISIS hiding out in Afghanistan is more genuine than invading Iraq for Saddam's weapons of Mass Destruction.


ISIS didnt rise from the ashes of Al Qaeda. ISIS was started by al-Zarqawi and he took quite awhile to finally pledge bayat to bin Laden. They are not one in the same

Al Qaeda didnt rise from the Taliban either

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 10:43:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I remember that Trump is against sending American Troops into Iraq.

But I feel the situation was different.

USA messed the fuck out of Iraq. ISIS was born from the ashes of Al Qaeda.

On Afghanistan though, they did drive out Taliban, BUT the problem is, the current government is still quite useless in keeping Taliban from taking over again.

I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.

After all, Al Qaeda rose from Taliban.

So I believe Trump's reasoning for more Troops into Afghanistan is about defeating ISIS.

And ISIS hiding out in Afghanistan is more genuine than invading Iraq for Saddam's weapons of Mass Destruction.


ISIS didnt rise from the ashes of Al Qaeda. ISIS was started by al-Zarqawi and he took quite awhile to finally pledge bayat to bin Laden. They are not one in the same

Al Qaeda didnt rise from the Taliban either

Of course they didn't, but if you recognise that daesh didn't arise like a jihad-y pheonix from the funeral pyre of al queda, then you can't claim that it's the first moslem president's fault that they exist can you?

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 10:45:07 AM   
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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 11:50:58 AM   
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Except we don't use the "U" in honoring

Too fucking bad, we (meaning the rest of the English speaking world) do, and we don't give a fuck what you semi-literate jackwads in the U.S. do.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 12:11:48 PM   
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Except we don't use the "U" in honoring

Too fucking bad, we (meaning the rest of the English speaking world) do, and we don't give a fuck what you semi-literate jackwads in the U.S. do.


Your posting on here opposes that last part.


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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 1:05:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick
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Except we don't use the "U" in honoring

Too fucking bad, we (meaning the rest of the English speaking world) do, and we don't give a fuck what you semi-literate jackwads in the U.S. do.


Your posting on here opposes that last part.



They clearly obsess over us.

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