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ORIGINAL: Danemora

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I remember that Trump is against sending American Troops into Iraq.

But I feel the situation was different.

USA messed the fuck out of Iraq. ISIS was born from the ashes of Al Qaeda.

On Afghanistan though, they did drive out Taliban, BUT the problem is, the current government is still quite useless in keeping Taliban from taking over again.

I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.

After all, Al Qaeda rose from Taliban.

So I believe Trump's reasoning for more Troops into Afghanistan is about defeating ISIS.

And ISIS hiding out in Afghanistan is more genuine than invading Iraq for Saddam's weapons of Mass Destruction.

ISIS didnt rise from the ashes of Al Qaeda. ISIS was started by al-Zarqawi and he took quite awhile to finally pledge bayat to bin Laden. They are not one in the same

Al Qaeda didnt rise from the Taliban either

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Danemora

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I remember that Trump is against sending American Troops into Iraq.

But I feel the situation was different.

USA messed the fuck out of Iraq. ISIS was born from the ashes of Al Qaeda.

On Afghanistan though, they did drive out Taliban, BUT the problem is, the current government is still quite useless in keeping Taliban from taking over again.

I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.

After all, Al Qaeda rose from Taliban.

So I believe Trump's reasoning for more Troops into Afghanistan is about defeating ISIS.

And ISIS hiding out in Afghanistan is more genuine than invading Iraq for Saddam's weapons of Mass Destruction.

ISIS didnt rise from the ashes of Al Qaeda. ISIS was started by al-Zarqawi and he took quite awhile to finally pledge bayat to bin Laden. They are not one in the same

Al Qaeda didnt rise from the Taliban either

In fact OBL told Zarqawi to stop killing all of those 'muslim brothers' and Zarqawi did not...until we finally got him.

3 years too late.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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The GOP was screaming for Obama to pull our troops our of Iraq and lower the number of US troops in Afghanistan?

Nope

You pulled that out of your ass, just like most everything else that you post.

Oh really?

The really fucking pathetic thing is that it was just part of the general "uppity nigger in the whitehouse"-phobic obstructionism that the GOP spent eight years ignoring the rest of the political landscape to concentrate on. Something else they opposed Obama doing, but would have been all for if Sorebutt and Barbie had been doing it rather than a half-caste president with a "D" after his name.

As a conservative who normally associates with other conservatives, the only time I've actually ever heard Obama described as an uppity n-word was when I read about leftists projecting their thoughts on conservatives who naturally opposed the presidents policies or positions. Such as here in your post.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The GOP was screaming for Obama to pull our troops our of Iraq and lower the number of US troops in Afghanistan?

Nope

You pulled that out of your ass, just like most everything else that you post.

Oh really?

The really fucking pathetic thing is that it was just part of the general "uppity nigger in the whitehouse"-phobic obstructionism that the GOP spent eight years ignoring the rest of the political landscape to concentrate on. Something else they opposed Obama doing, but would have been all for if Sorebutt and Barbie had been doing it rather than a half-caste president with a "D" after his name.

As a conservative who normally associates with other conservatives, the only time I've actually ever heard Obama described as an uppity n-word was when I read about leftists projecting their thoughts on conservatives who naturally opposed the presidents policies or positions. Such as here in your post.

Then altogether not surprisingly, you lead...a sheltered life.

I got 8 years of vitriol from Virginia's right/racist crowd starting in about 2009-10 that [they] should drag that 'N' out of the white house and shoot his black ass.

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Anyone with sense has seen that the only exit strategy since Bush sent troops to the ME has been Obam's utter political sop failure that created ISIS.

Laying the blame for the emergence of ISIS on Obama will probably prove to be a futile activity in the long run of history. The roots of ISIS are in the Sunni religion and came out of the city of Falluja in Western Iraq. When American troops under George Bush occupy the Iraq, they favored the Shia politicians and they disbanded Saddam’s military. All of those soldiers were out of jobs. They were mostly Sunni. The Genesis for ISIS lies with purging the Iraqi military. Try as you might you will not be able to erase the bitter truth that George W. Bush invaded a country that was no threat to us and let loose the hounds of hell in the form of Isis.

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So rather than just assuming Trump is breaking a promise, perhaps he has an exit strategy other than what that fool Obama did.

Let me remind you that Richard Nixon had a secret plan for getting us out of Vietnam. And now Trump has a secret plan for getting us out of Afghanistan. None of that is gonna wash. Trump had a golden opportunity to get all of our troops out of Afghanistan but he laid that opportunity aside on some pretty witless excuses. The main excuse that he gave in his speech was that he did not want a lawless country available for terrorists to attack from. The reasoning seems tortured to me. There are other failed nations from which groups can set up bases to attack the United States. There are several countries in Africa probably that would serve that purpose. So it’s wishful thinking that Afghanistan is the only place available for an enemy to set up.

Here is one other thing I’m having trouble with in his reasoning. If we were not occupying Arab land they would have no need of a lawless base from which to attack.

The only way Trump can be successful in maintaining Afghanistan free of enemy troops is to occupy the nation from now until eternity. That’s the part of his speech that he did not say out loud. We have been in South Korea for over 60 years. What has that gained us? I fear the same thing is on the horizon for our boots in Afghanistan. So the politicians will send your grandchildren and their grandchildren over to get slaughtered in the South of Asia. Makes no sense to me.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The GOP was screaming for Obama to pull our troops our of Iraq and lower the number of US troops in Afghanistan?

Nope

You pulled that out of your ass, just like most everything else that you post.

Oh really?

The really fucking pathetic thing is that it was just part of the general "uppity nigger in the whitehouse"-phobic obstructionism that the GOP spent eight years ignoring the rest of the political landscape to concentrate on. Something else they opposed Obama doing, but would have been all for if Sorebutt and Barbie had been doing it rather than a half-caste president with a "D" after his name.

As a conservative who normally associates with other conservatives, the only time I've actually ever heard Obama described as an uppity n-word was when I read about leftists projecting their thoughts on conservatives who naturally opposed the presidents policies or positions. Such as here in your post.

Then altogether not surprisingly, you lead...a sheltered life.

I got 8 years of vitriol from Virginia's right/racist crowd starting in about 2009-10 that [they] should drag that 'N' out of the white house and shoot his black ass.

Pictures please. After all, you should live up to your own standards.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yet another chicken hawk wants to pretend he has a dick by sending thousands of American troops to die.

Apparently, that's presidential.

At least to chicken hawks.

You are describing Obama, and his policies

Remember all of the grandiose promises he made, about GITMO and Iraq etc

And then he talked with the generals, and saw the intel

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The terrain in Afghanistan is prime ground for conducting guerilla warfare.
The cultural heritage of banditry of the silk road goes back over 2000 years.
The only way to settle the situation in Afghanistan would be to quit selling them arms. But, arms is too lucrative a trade and too politically useful for those that like having oil pipelines through there blocked.

Before the U.S. started arming the Afghans to prevent Russian troops from wiping out the banditry; this is what the Afghans had for armaments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-aEWZrTibE

Today, they even have shoulder launched surface to air missiles.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.

Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.

As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue

Tweak, you really have to produce evidence for this extremely outrageous claim.

Because, a little history.

Taliban is where Al Qaeda sprouted from. And ISIS were leftover Al Qaeda soldiers reborning again.

Taliban is NO LONGER the current government of Afghanistan, as US have ousted them.

The current Government of Afghanistan is in war with ISIS YES.

But Taliban is aiding ISIS AGAINST the current puppet Afghanistan government instilled by the US government.

So I don't know where you get your info that Taliban is even bothering to fight ISIS. For what? Taliban just wants Afghanistan back from the US government and their puppet Afghan Government they set up in there. They believe in the EXACT same things. And ISIS originating members WERE Taliban.

The last I read, Trump wants to consider negotiating with Taliban to allow them to rule Afghanistan again. Rather than continue with this endless war. Trump's all about, what's this costing America. He doesn't give a shit if Afghanistan goes back into crazy extreme dictatorial rule of Taliban where even music is illegal. He just want those terrorists to leave US alone.

And ISIS and Taliban got a common enemy, the USA. So I'd be very surprise if you can produce evidence they are at war with each other.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.

Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.

As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue

Tweak, you really have to produce evidence for this extremely outrageous claim.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The GOP was screaming for Obama to pull our troops our of Iraq and lower the number of US troops in Afghanistan?

Nope

You pulled that out of your ass, just like most everything else that you post.

Oh really?

The really fucking pathetic thing is that it was just part of the general "uppity nigger in the whitehouse"-phobic obstructionism that the GOP spent eight years ignoring the rest of the political landscape to concentrate on. Something else they opposed Obama doing, but would have been all for if Sorebutt and Barbie had been doing it rather than a half-caste president with a "D" after his name.

As a conservative who normally associates with other conservatives, the only time I've actually ever heard Obama described as an uppity n-word was when I read about leftists projecting their thoughts on conservatives who naturally opposed the presidents policies or positions. Such as here in your post.

Then altogether not surprisingly, you lead...a sheltered life.

I got 8 years of vitriol from Virginia's right/racist crowd starting in about 2009-10 that [they] should drag that 'N' out of the white house and shoot his black ass.

Pictures please. After all, you should live up to your own standards.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yet another chicken hawk wants to pretend he has a dick by sending thousands of American troops to die.

Apparently, that's presidential.

At least to chicken hawks.

You are describing Obama, and his policies

Remember all of the grandiose promises he made, about GITMO and Iraq etc

And then he talked with the generals, and saw the intel

But if you cared and then understood...Obama played ball. They ALL play ball, some like the neocons of Bush/Cheney even...become heavy hitters.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.

Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.

As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue

Tweak, you really have to produce evidence for this extremely outrageous claim.

Because, a little history.

Taliban is where Al Qaeda sprouted from. And ISIS were leftover Al Qaeda soldiers reborning again.

Taliban is NO LONGER the current government of Afghanistan, as US have ousted them.

The current Government of Afghanistan is in war with ISIS YES.

But Taliban is aiding ISIS AGAINST the current puppet Afghanistan government instilled by the US government.

So I don't know where you get your info that Taliban is even bothering to fight ISIS. For what? Taliban just wants Afghanistan back from the US government and their puppet Afghan Government they set up in there. They believe in the EXACT same things. And ISIS originating members WERE Taliban.

The last I read, Trump wants to consider negotiating with Taliban to allow them to rule Afghanistan again. Rather than continue with this endless war. Trump's all about, what's this costing America. He doesn't give a shit if Afghanistan goes back into crazy extreme dictatorial rule of Taliban where even music is illegal. He just want those terrorists to leave US alone.

And ISIS and Taliban got a common enemy, the USA. So I'd be very surprise if you can produce evidence they are at war with each other.

OBL after 6 figure$ a month from the CIA to help organize the Mujahideen, arming them with Stinger missiles to help fight the Soviets, it all mostly disbanded until then OBL wanted to reconstitute the Al-Quada group to hit the US.

As I've written, the Taliban wanted no part of it, did not want to hit the US, didn't even want to keep OBL around (didn't need him) ONLY...his fucking money. OBL was thus allowed to recruit from the Taliban and got 2, yes...only 2 men to join.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.

Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.

As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue

Tweak, you really have to produce evidence for this extremely outrageous claim.

There's nothing outrageous about my claim at all Greta - it is a straightforward statement of fact. I am surprised that you are unaware of the rivalry and fighting between the two groups.


For confirmation check out these links:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/al-qaeda-disavows-any-ties-with-radical-islamist-isis-group-in-syria-iraq/2014/02/03/2c9afc3a-8cef-11e3-98ab-fe5228217bd1_story.html?utm_term=.4418851fe613

"The Islamic State has thrown down the gauntlet to al Qaeda and seeks to supplant its former ally as the symbol and leader of a global movement acting out a twisted definition of jihad. Its sweeping military campaign has captured a huge swath of Iraq, even as it fights both Bashar al-Assad’s regime and rival jihadi groups in Syria, while its proclamation in June of an Islamic caliphate has sparked a furious debate about its legitimacy among global terrorists."
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/09/02/the-islamic-state-vs-al-qaeda/

"IS announced the establishment of its Khorasan branch - an old name for Afghanistan and surrounding areas - in January 2015. It was the first time that IS had officially spread outside the Arab world.
Within a few weeks, the group appeared in at least five Afghan provinces, including Helmand, Zabul, Farah, Logar and Nangarhar, trying to establish pockets of territory from which to expand.
It was the first major militant group to directly challenge the Afghan Taliban's dominance over the local insurgency. Its first aim was to drive Afghan Taliban fighters out of the area and it also hoped to evict Taliban ally al-Qaeda from the Afghanistan-Pakistan region, or absorb its fighters.
Yet despite efforts to energise battle-weary militants, IS struggled to build a wide political base and the indigenous support it expected in Afghanistan. Instead, it made enemies of almost everyone, including the Afghan Taliban.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39031000

"The Afghan Taliban say they have unleashed "special forces" in an increasingly bloody battle with fighters from the rival, so-called Islamic State (IS) group. The Taliban's dominance and monopoly on insurgency in a region home to numerous local and foreign militant groups is being challenged by IS, which has been gaining some support.
According to Taliban sources, the special task force, part of the Taliban's special forces command, was set up in early October and has more than 1,000 fighters - better equipped and trained than regular Taliban and with the sole aim of crushing IS.
Special ops teams are handpicked for their fighting skills and experience and are active in all provinces where IS has a current or potential presence - including Nangarhar, Farah, Helmand and Zabul. But Taliban special forces will deploy anywhere against IS, leaving other Taliban to fight Afghan and foreign troops."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35123748

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ORIGINAL: Danemora
ISIS didnt rise from the ashes of Al Qaeda. ISIS was started by al-Zarqawi and he took quite awhile to finally pledge bayat to bin Laden. They are not one in the same

Al Qaeda didnt rise from the Taliban either

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.

Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.

As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue

Tweak, you really have to produce evidence for this extremely outrageous claim.

There's nothing outrageous about my claim at all Greta - it is a straightforward statement of fact. I am surprised that you are unaware of the rivalry and fighting between the two groups.


For confirmation check out these links:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/al-qaeda-disavows-any-ties-with-radical-islamist-isis-group-in-syria-iraq/2014/02/03/2c9afc3a-8cef-11e3-98ab-fe5228217bd1_story.html?utm_term=.4418851fe613

"The Islamic State has thrown down the gauntlet to al Qaeda and seeks to supplant its former ally as the symbol and leader of a global movement acting out a twisted definition of jihad. Its sweeping military campaign has captured a huge swath of Iraq, even as it fights both Bashar al-Assad’s regime and rival jihadi groups in Syria, while its proclamation in June of an Islamic caliphate has sparked a furious debate about its legitimacy among global terrorists."
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/09/02/the-islamic-state-vs-al-qaeda/

"IS announced the establishment of its Khorasan branch - an old name for Afghanistan and surrounding areas - in January 2015. It was the first time that IS had officially spread outside the Arab world.
Within a few weeks, the group appeared in at least five Afghan provinces, including Helmand, Zabul, Farah, Logar and Nangarhar, trying to establish pockets of territory from which to expand.
It was the first major militant group to directly challenge the Afghan Taliban's dominance over the local insurgency. Its first aim was to drive Afghan Taliban fighters out of the area and it also hoped to evict Taliban ally al-Qaeda from the Afghanistan-Pakistan region, or absorb its fighters.
Yet despite efforts to energise battle-weary militants, IS struggled to build a wide political base and the indigenous support it expected in Afghanistan. Instead, it made enemies of almost everyone, including the Afghan Taliban.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39031000

"The Afghan Taliban say they have unleashed "special forces" in an increasingly bloody battle with fighters from the rival, so-called Islamic State (IS) group. The Taliban's dominance and monopoly on insurgency in a region home to numerous local and foreign militant groups is being challenged by IS, which has been gaining some support.
According to Taliban sources, the special task force, part of the Taliban's special forces command, was set up in early October and has more than 1,000 fighters - better equipped and trained than regular Taliban and with the sole aim of crushing IS.
Special ops teams are handpicked for their fighting skills and experience and are active in all provinces where IS has a current or potential presence - including Nangarhar, Farah, Helmand and Zabul. But Taliban special forces will deploy anywhere against IS, leaving other Taliban to fight Afghan and foreign troops."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35123748

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.

Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.

As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue

Anyone with sense has seen that the only exit strategy since Bush sent troops to the ME has been Obam's utter political sop failure that created ISIS. Had you paid the least sliver of attention to what Trump has said instead of being a silly little girl making fun of him you'd see stuff like this:



http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-afghanistan-idUSKCN1B109Q?il=0

quote:

Trump has previously called for a U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. On Monday he said his original instinct was to pull out all American troops but that he was convinced otherwise by his military advisers after a lengthy strategy review.

"The consequences of a rapid exit are both predictable and unacceptable," he said. "A hasty withdrawal would create a vacuum that terrorists, including ISIS (Islamic State) and al Qaeda, would instantly fill."

quote:

Trump said "our troops will fight to win", but he also stressed that ultimately Afghanistan's police and army must do most of the fighting to defeat the Taliban and allied Islamist militants.

So rather than just assuming Trump is breaking a promise, perhaps he has an exit strategy other than what that fool Obama did. And if you could keep more than one silly thought in your head at a time, maybe you'll recall Trump has said more than once he'd never announce his plans to the enemy like the fool Obama did. While I understand your preference is to play giggle and mock with your coven, I'm hoping we now have an actual exit strategy that will actually get us out of Afghanistan without creating another JV terrorist force.

The first part is bullshit and no, Trump doesn't get away with campaigning on getting out and then 7 months in say, we need to send 5,000 or whatever more troops is now needed.

This is just another campaign promise out of several now, that was...ALL a com job. Trump is now...playing ball.

Do you have a picture of those men who forced Trump to play ball? Tin foil hat time isn't it? You really can't help yourself can you?

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.

Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.

As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue

Tweak, you really have to produce evidence for this extremely outrageous claim.

There's nothing outrageous about my claim at all Greta - it is a straightforward statement of fact. I am surprised that you are unaware of the rivalry and fighting between the two groups.


For confirmation check out these links:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/al-qaeda-disavows-any-ties-with-radical-islamist-isis-group-in-syria-iraq/2014/02/03/2c9afc3a-8cef-11e3-98ab-fe5228217bd1_story.html?utm_term=.4418851fe613

"The Islamic State has thrown down the gauntlet to al Qaeda and seeks to supplant its former ally as the symbol and leader of a global movement acting out a twisted definition of jihad. Its sweeping military campaign has captured a huge swath of Iraq, even as it fights both Bashar al-Assad’s regime and rival jihadi groups in Syria, while its proclamation in June of an Islamic caliphate has sparked a furious debate about its legitimacy among global terrorists."
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/09/02/the-islamic-state-vs-al-qaeda/

"IS announced the establishment of its Khorasan branch - an old name for Afghanistan and surrounding areas - in January 2015. It was the first time that IS had officially spread outside the Arab world.
Within a few weeks, the group appeared in at least five Afghan provinces, including Helmand, Zabul, Farah, Logar and Nangarhar, trying to establish pockets of territory from which to expand.
It was the first major militant group to directly challenge the Afghan Taliban's dominance over the local insurgency. Its first aim was to drive Afghan Taliban fighters out of the area and it also hoped to evict Taliban ally al-Qaeda from the Afghanistan-Pakistan region, or absorb its fighters.
Yet despite efforts to energise battle-weary militants, IS struggled to build a wide political base and the indigenous support it expected in Afghanistan. Instead, it made enemies of almost everyone, including the Afghan Taliban.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39031000

"The Afghan Taliban say they have unleashed "special forces" in an increasingly bloody battle with fighters from the rival, so-called Islamic State (IS) group. The Taliban's dominance and monopoly on insurgency in a region home to numerous local and foreign militant groups is being challenged by IS, which has been gaining some support.
According to Taliban sources, the special task force, part of the Taliban's special forces command, was set up in early October and has more than 1,000 fighters - better equipped and trained than regular Taliban and with the sole aim of crushing IS.
Special ops teams are handpicked for their fighting skills and experience and are active in all provinces where IS has a current or potential presence - including Nangarhar, Farah, Helmand and Zabul. But Taliban special forces will deploy anywhere against IS, leaving other Taliban to fight Afghan and foreign troops."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35123748

And YET, just THIS MONTH:
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/07/asia/taliban-isis-joint-afghanistan-village-attack/index.html

I have huge doubts about any stories trying to cast those two as enemies.
I mean if they are killing each other, it's good news to me. I fucking hate Taliban. They are the reason beautiful Afghan women gotta dress like a ghost.
But whatever games they are playing, those two believe in the same version of Islam. And have a common enemy.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.

Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.

As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue

Anyone with sense has seen that the only exit strategy since Bush sent troops to the ME has been Obam's utter political sop failure that created ISIS. Had you paid the least sliver of attention to what Trump has said instead of being a silly little girl making fun of him you'd see stuff like this:



http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-afghanistan-idUSKCN1B109Q?il=0

quote:

Trump has previously called for a U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. On Monday he said his original instinct was to pull out all American troops but that he was convinced otherwise by his military advisers after a lengthy strategy review.

"The consequences of a rapid exit are both predictable and unacceptable," he said. "A hasty withdrawal would create a vacuum that terrorists, including ISIS (Islamic State) and al Qaeda, would instantly fill."

quote:

Trump said "our troops will fight to win", but he also stressed that ultimately Afghanistan's police and army must do most of the fighting to defeat the Taliban and allied Islamist militants.

So rather than just assuming Trump is breaking a promise, perhaps he has an exit strategy other than what that fool Obama did. And if you could keep more than one silly thought in your head at a time, maybe you'll recall Trump has said more than once he'd never announce his plans to the enemy like the fool Obama did. While I understand your preference is to play giggle and mock with your coven, I'm hoping we now have an actual exit strategy that will actually get us out of Afghanistan without creating another JV terrorist force.

The first part is bullshit and no, Trump doesn't get away with campaigning on getting out and then 7 months in say, we need to send 5,000 or whatever more troops is now needed.

This is just another campaign promise out of several now, that was...ALL a com job. Trump is now...playing ball.

Do you have a picture of those men who forced Trump to play ball? Tin foil hat time isn't it? You really can't help yourself can you?

Well it really depends on what anyone really wants to learn. If one looks at US history, reads all they can about how things came to be the way they are, one will get a feel for the whole concept of govt. of, by and for people...is the greatest hoax of all time...there is no such thing.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

So this is the lie ? (from your link)

A Taliban spokesman denied that the two groups had joined forces.

"it is completely wrong, it is propaganda of our enemy, ISIS is our enemy, there is no ISIS in Sar-e-Pul. Our commander in Sar-e-Pul is called Ghazanfar, who is not an ISIS," Zabiullah Mojahid, a Taliban spokesman, told CNN.

So you believe all of the 'western news' about all of this ? I don't...not anymore.