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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 1:38:09 PM   
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The GOP was screaming for Obama to pull our troops our of Iraq and lower the number of US troops in Afghanistan?



Nope

You pulled that out of your ass, just like most everything else that you post.



Oh really?

The really fucking pathetic thing is that it was just part of the general "uppity nigger in the whitehouse"-phobic obstructionism that the GOP spent eight years ignoring the rest of the political landscape to concentrate on. Something else they opposed Obama doing, but would have been all for if Sorebutt and Barbie had been doing it rather than a half-caste president with a "D" after his name.

As a conservative who normally associates with other conservatives, the only time I've actually ever heard Obama described as an uppity n-word was when I read about leftists projecting their thoughts on conservatives who naturally opposed the presidents policies or positions. Such as here in your post.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 1:55:15 PM   
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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 3:43:47 PM   
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The really fucking pathetic thing is that it was just part of the general "uppity nigger in the whitehouse"-phobic obstructionism that the GOP spent eight years ignoring the rest of the political landscape to concentrate on. Something else they opposed Obama doing, but would have been all for if Sorebutt and Barbie had been doing it rather than a half-caste president with a "D" after his name.

As a conservative who normally associates with other conservatives, the only time I've actually ever heard Obama described as an uppity n-word was when I read about leftists projecting their thoughts on conservatives who naturally opposed the presidents policies or positions. Such as here in your post.




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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/22/2017 4:52:05 PM   
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Anyone with sense has seen that the only exit strategy since Bush sent troops to the ME has been Obam's utter political sop failure that created ISIS.


Laying the blame for the emergence of ISIS on Obama will probably prove to be a futile activity in the long run of history. The roots of ISIS are in the Sunni religion and came out of the city of Falluja in Western Iraq. When American troops under George Bush occupy the Iraq, they favored the Shia politicians and they disbanded Saddam’s military. All of those soldiers were out of jobs. They were mostly Sunni. The Genesis for ISIS lies with purging the Iraqi military. Try as you might you will not be able to erase the bitter truth that George W. Bush invaded a country that was no threat to us and let loose the hounds of hell in the form of Isis.

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So rather than just assuming Trump is breaking a promise, perhaps he has an exit strategy other than what that fool Obama did.


Let me remind you that Richard Nixon had a secret plan for getting us out of Vietnam. And now Trump has a secret plan for getting us out of Afghanistan. None of that is gonna wash. Trump had a golden opportunity to get all of our troops out of Afghanistan but he laid that opportunity aside on some pretty witless excuses. The main excuse that he gave in his speech was that he did not want a lawless country available for terrorists to attack from. The reasoning seems tortured to me. There are other failed nations from which groups can set up bases to attack the United States. There are several countries in Africa probably that would serve that purpose. So it’s wishful thinking that Afghanistan is the only place available for an enemy to set up.

Here is one other thing I’m having trouble with in his reasoning. If we were not occupying Arab land they would have no need of a lawless base from which to attack.

The only way Trump can be successful in maintaining Afghanistan free of enemy troops is to occupy the nation from now until eternity. That’s the part of his speech that he did not say out loud. We have been in South Korea for over 60 years. What has that gained us? I fear the same thing is on the horizon for our boots in Afghanistan. So the politicians will send your grandchildren and their grandchildren over to get slaughtered in the South of Asia. Makes no sense to me.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/23/2017 3:00:46 AM   
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I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.


Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.

As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue

Wow, what a juvenile position. Must be tough to be immature as well as not very bright.
[snip] blah! blah! blah!

Get a clue dearie, what you and your coven think usually has nothing to do with reality. So when you proudly spout your coven's nonsense you just look silly.

Get a clue yourself you cretin. Had you understood my post you would have realised that I wasn't advancing any position. I was correcting a factual error in Greta's post, and then pointing out that as her reasoning was based on a factual error she might like to think about reconsidering her position.

Far from revolutionary isn't it? In fact it's a pretty basic point one easily absorbed by anyone with an above kindergarten-level education and wits, easily comprehended by anyone who understands basic written English. A post easily understood by other posters from across the political spectrum who have confirmed above the accuracy and veracity of my point. But understanding everyday English is not your strong point, is it dearie? Perhaps you will be stupid enough to claim that my post was "fake English" .... that's SOP for apologists for the orange disaster such as yourself.

So all the poisonous garbage you posted in response to my post had nothing to do with my post. Congratulations on making a first class fool of yourself again. You put so much effort into a ham-fisted attempt to make me look silly, failed spectacularly and ended up looking like the village idiot yourself ... again. Only someone as monumentally stupid as you can fail to realise that you do this again and again.

Best you stick to sharing bigotries with your bosom buddy Bosco. You two were made for each other. You guys have so much in common that it's hard to tell which one is the stupidest, the most ignorant, the most bigoted, the most out of depth and the craziest between the two of you. It would be surprising if either of you possesses an IQ approaching that of a retarded anemone.

Together you two constitute compelling evidence that looney Right ideologies appeal to only the very very very dumbest morons out there.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/23/2017 4:30:43 AM   
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I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.

Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.


Truth.

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As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue


What was Trump's 'promise to get out of Afghanistan?' Did Trump give a deadline for us getting out of Afghanistan? If he gets us out in, say, 3 years, then he still lived up to the whole "get us out of Afghanistan" thing, no?


There are also times when an increase of manpower will result in a speedier withdrawal process. If there is a list of things that need to get done prior to full withdrawal, more hands working on that list makes sense, doesn't it?
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I do think there needs to be a deadline, but it can't be an announced deadline. I think the boost to the enemy combatants overrides the sense of urgency it can bring to the Afghan government. If we reach that deadline, we simply pull out and leave. At some point in time, the Afghan government has to stand up on its own two feet and not rely on foreign powers to rule (which is why Russia left; the Kremlin finally got tired of the Afghan regime not pulling its own weight, so they up and left).


The US has been in Afghanistan since just after 9/11. The original goal - to get Osama bin Laden - ceased to apply some years ago. But the US (and other Western countries, including Australia) are still there, trying desperately to figure out a way of getting out without losing face. That may sound cynical but I think it's true in this case - if someone had figured out a way of getting out without losing face years ago, it would have happened with not a second thought for the eventual fate of the Afghanis.

Western forces are there supposedly to train Afghanis to a point where they can defend their country successfully. But there doesn't appear to be any prospect of reaching that point now or in the foreseeable future. And if it hasn't happened after over 15 years of 'intensive training' one is reasonably entitled to ask when is it going to happen?

If Western forces stay, they face the prospect of being forced out of the country by the Taliban (just like the Russians were). The war in Afghanistan is unwinnable militarily. Afghani forces, despite the years of training and billions of $ invested, are in a weaker position now than they have been for years. Desertion rates are (IIRC) in the area of 50%. They are riddled with Taliban sympathisers. The Taliban controls more of Afghanistan than it has in years. It seems able to strike at will inside Kabul, where the Govt's position is at its strongest. At the end of the day, the Taliban know that for them simply surviving is winning. They're not going anywhere while they know that the West's political will to stay in Afghanistan will eventually exhaust itself and the West will abandon Afghanistan leaving with its tail between its legs, in exactly the same manner as all invaders of Afghanistan have done.

Unless Trump magically pulls a rabbit out of the hat, this equation isn't going to change. Is it reasonable to talk of "winning" as Trump does when everyone knows that winning (in any conventional meaning of the word) in Afghanistan is impossible? No one can put a date on when "the Afghan government ... [can] stand on its own two feet". If current results are anything to judge by, that date will never arrive. There's a good argument that talk of "winning" is irresponsible ...

Sooner or later some POTUS is going to have to face up to this reality. Unless Trump does, the US will stay in Afghanistan for the duration of his Presidency - either the next 3 or 7 years. I wonder if Trump is psychologically capable of taking the hard decision to withdraw, to accept losing and losing very publicly ... because unless he is, the US will remain there fighting an unwinnable war, and US troops, and thousands of Afghanis are going to lose their lives in vain.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/23/2017 5:44:45 AM   
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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/23/2017 6:03:54 AM   
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Maybe he was planning to, but somebody pointed out to him that Nixon got impeached almost immediately after getting his country out of the long-standing mess in Vietnam?

Okay, so the Watergate break-in and cover-up had nothing to do with his possible impeachment? Is that how you read the history of the early 1970s?

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/23/2017 6:15:07 AM   
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The GOP was screaming for Obama to pull our troops our of Iraq and lower the number of US troops in Afghanistan?

Well, Donald Trump has announced his plan on Afghanistan...

He is going to send more US troops back to Afghanistan.

Lets look at the successful invasions and occupations of this wonderful landlocked country:

The Persians invaded, occupied and got their asses handed to them....
The Greeks invaded, occupied and got their asses handed to them....
The Kush invaded, occupied and got their asses handed to them...
The Arabs invaded, occupied and got their asses handed to them...
The Mongols invaded, occupied and got their assess handed to them...
The Sikhs invaded, occupied and got their asses handed to them...
The British invaded, occupied and got their asses handed to them...
The Soviets invaded, occupied and got their asses handed to them...
Now our great nation has invaded, occupied (okay we are helping establish a central government in a country where the people pride themselves on killing each other) and guess where that is going to end.

But there is a difference, our esteemed president does not want ISIS to gain a foothold and to stop the Taliban....

It does not matter to anyone that our only allies in that country happen to be the warlords making a fortune off opium, which is turned into heroin and sold on US streets....

Reagan had the right idea, give those lunatics the weapons and let them fight it out and just send in guys to teach them how to use the weapons we give them.

Lets face it, when the enemy dresses like the friendlies and you have no clue who the bad guys are until they start shooting at you, you be fucked.

You would think that the politicians would have figured that much out after the fiasco of Vietnam.

Its the primary reason that terrorists can move around without anyone knowing who the fuck they are until they blow something up, gun down a lot of people or drive a fucking car into a crowd.

It is also the very reason why, as much as we hate to admit it, that a higher collateral damage ratio is acceptable in the age of dealing with insurgents and guerilla groups.

Drop a shit ton of bombs, and while we may blast some friendlies into the hereafter, we will definitely kill the bad guys.

Hey Mr President, speaking as a former infantry trooper, may I suggest that instead of putting boots on the ground, you take all of or wonderful bombers and use up a large portion of the half billion tons of dumb bombs left over from the cold war and carpet bomb the fucking country back to pre stone age?

Sorry, but I would rather see a thousand dead friendly non combatants than a few thousand dead grunts who had no idea who would be shooting at them until they got put into body bags.

However, if you are going to insist on this course of action, make one thing clear:

For every one American trooper put in a body bag, we will round up and execute 100 locals, friend or foe alike since there is no fucking way to tell the damn difference.

Teach the mother fuckers what terror really means.

Yet another chicken hawk wants to pretend he has a dick by sending thousands of American troops to die.

Apparently, that's presidential.

At least to chicken hawks.

No doubt his new chief of staff pointed out he needed to change the narrative on Russia and Nazis.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/23/2017 6:16:07 AM   
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Yet another chicken hawk wants to pretend he has a dick by sending thousands of American troops to die.

Apparently, that's presidential.

At least to chicken hawks.


You are describing Obama, and his policies

Remember all of the grandiose promises he made, about GITMO and Iraq etc

And then he talked with the generals, and saw the intel


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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/23/2017 7:20:56 AM   
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The cultural heritage of banditry of the silk road goes back over 2000 years.
The only way to settle the situation in Afghanistan would be to quit selling them arms. But, arms is too lucrative a trade and too politically useful for those that like having oil pipelines through there blocked.

Before the U.S. started arming the Afghans to prevent Russian troops from wiping out the banditry; this is what the Afghans had for armaments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-aEWZrTibE

Today, they even have shoulder launched surface to air missiles.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/23/2017 7:27:17 AM   
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Before the U.S. started arming the Afghans to prevent Russian troops from wiping out the banditry; this is what the Afghans had for armaments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-aEWZrTibE



Not very effective by modern standards but what a beautiful weapon.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/23/2017 7:31:05 AM   
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I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.


Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.

As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue

Tweak, you really have to produce evidence for this extremely outrageous claim.

Because, a little history.

Taliban is where Al Qaeda sprouted from. And ISIS were leftover Al Qaeda soldiers reborning again.

Taliban is NO LONGER the current government of Afghanistan, as US have ousted them.

The current Government of Afghanistan is in war with ISIS YES.

But Taliban is aiding ISIS AGAINST the current puppet Afghanistan government instilled by the US government.

So I don't know where you get your info that Taliban is even bothering to fight ISIS. For what? Taliban just wants Afghanistan back from the US government and their puppet Afghan Government they set up in there. They believe in the EXACT same things. And ISIS originating members WERE Taliban.

The last I read, Trump wants to consider negotiating with Taliban to allow them to rule Afghanistan again. Rather than continue with this endless war. Trump's all about, what's this costing America. He doesn't give a shit if Afghanistan goes back into crazy extreme dictatorial rule of Taliban where even music is illegal. He just want those terrorists to leave US alone.

And ISIS and Taliban got a common enemy, the USA. So I'd be very surprise if you can produce evidence they are at war with each other.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/23/2017 7:43:28 AM   
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I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.


Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.

As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue

Wow, what a juvenile position. Must be tough to be immature as well as not very bright.
[snip] blah! blah! blah!

Get a clue dearie, what you and your coven think usually has nothing to do with reality. So when you proudly spout your coven's nonsense you just look silly.

Get a clue yourself you cretin. Had you understood my post you would have realised that I wasn't advancing any position. I was correcting a factual error in Greta's post, and then pointing out that as her reasoning was based on a factual error she might like to think about reconsidering her position.

Far from revolutionary isn't it? In fact it's a pretty basic point one easily absorbed by anyone with an above kindergarten-level education and wits, easily comprehended by anyone who understands basic written English. A post easily understood by other posters from across the political spectrum who have confirmed above the accuracy and veracity of my point. But understanding everyday English is not your strong point, is it dearie? Perhaps you will be stupid enough to claim that my post was "fake English" .... that's SOP for apologists for the orange disaster such as yourself.

So all the poisonous garbage you posted in response to my post had nothing to do with my post. Congratulations on making a first class fool of yourself again. You put so much effort into a ham-fisted attempt to make me look silly, failed spectacularly and ended up looking like the village idiot yourself ... again. Only someone as monumentally stupid as you can fail to realise that you do this again and again.

Best you stick to sharing bigotries with your bosom buddy Bosco. You two were made for each other. You guys have so much in common that it's hard to tell which one is the stupidest, the most ignorant, the most bigoted, the most out of depth and the craziest between the two of you. It would be surprising if either of you possesses an IQ approaching that of a retarded anemone.

Together you two constitute compelling evidence that looney Right ideologies appeal to only the very very very dumbest morons out there.

Well now you have me confused. Am I a cretin or a moron? Or, wait a minute...you're having a little girl snit and because I'm a man I'm supposed to pay attention to your emotional needs. Lol, sorry, I only pay attention to big girls.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/23/2017 7:46:48 AM   
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Maybe he was planning to, but somebody pointed out to him that Nixon got impeached almost immediately after getting his country out of the long-standing mess in Vietnam?

Okay, so the Watergate break-in and cover-up had nothing to do with his possible impeachment? Is that how you read the history of the early 1970s?

Of course not, but then I'm not el presidente or one of his supporters, who seem to be either the sort of Republican who refuse (even now) to accept that Nixon was doing anything wrong, or weird alt right freaks of nature.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/23/2017 8:08:12 AM   
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I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.


Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.

As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue


Anyone with sense has seen that the only exit strategy since Bush sent troops to the ME has been Obam's utter political sop failure that created ISIS. Had you paid the least sliver of attention to what Trump has said instead of being a silly little girl making fun of him you'd see stuff like this:



http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-afghanistan-idUSKCN1B109Q?il=0

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Trump has previously called for a U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. On Monday he said his original instinct was to pull out all American troops but that he was convinced otherwise by his military advisers after a lengthy strategy review.

"The consequences of a rapid exit are both predictable and unacceptable," he said. "A hasty withdrawal would create a vacuum that terrorists, including ISIS (Islamic State) and al Qaeda, would instantly fill."


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Trump said "our troops will fight to win", but he also stressed that ultimately Afghanistan's police and army must do most of the fighting to defeat the Taliban and allied Islamist militants.


So rather than just assuming Trump is breaking a promise, perhaps he has an exit strategy other than what that fool Obama did. And if you could keep more than one silly thought in your head at a time, maybe you'll recall Trump has said more than once he'd never announce his plans to the enemy like the fool Obama did. While I understand your preference is to play giggle and mock with your coven, I'm hoping we now have an actual exit strategy that will actually get us out of Afghanistan without creating another JV terrorist force.

The first part is bullshit and no, Trump doesn't get away with campaigning on getting out and then 7 months in say, we need to send 5,000 or whatever more troops is now needed.

This is just another campaign promise out of several now, that was...ALL a con job. Trump is now...playing ball.

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/23/2017 8:14:54 AM   
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I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.


Actually they are busy killing each other in Afghanistan. Both groups are intent on wiping the other group out completely.

As this false claim appears to be central to your reasoning on this issue (ie justifying Trump's broken promise to get out of Afghanistan) you might like to reconsider your position on this issue


Anyone with sense has seen that the only exit strategy since Bush sent troops to the ME has been Obam's utter political sop failure that created ISIS. Had you paid the least sliver of attention to what Trump has said instead of being a silly little girl making fun of him you'd see stuff like this:



http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-afghanistan-idUSKCN1B109Q?il=0

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Trump has previously called for a U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. On Monday he said his original instinct was to pull out all American troops but that he was convinced otherwise by his military advisers after a lengthy strategy review.

"The consequences of a rapid exit are both predictable and unacceptable," he said. "A hasty withdrawal would create a vacuum that terrorists, including ISIS (Islamic State) and al Qaeda, would instantly fill."


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Trump said "our troops will fight to win", but he also stressed that ultimately Afghanistan's police and army must do most of the fighting to defeat the Taliban and allied Islamist militants.


So rather than just assuming Trump is breaking a promise, perhaps he has an exit strategy other than what that fool Obama did. And if you could keep more than one silly thought in your head at a time, maybe you'll recall Trump has said more than once he'd never announce his plans to the enemy like the fool Obama did. While I understand your preference is to play giggle and mock with your coven, I'm hoping we now have an actual exit strategy that will actually get us out of Afghanistan without creating another JV terrorist force.

The first part is bullshit and no, Trump doesn't get away with campaigning on getting out and then 7 months in say, we need to send 5,000 or whatever more troops is now needed.

This is just another campaign promise out of several now, that was...ALL a com job. Trump is now...playing ball.

Do you have a picture of those men who forced Trump to play ball? Tin foil hat time isn't it? You really can't help yourself can you?

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/23/2017 8:24:05 AM   
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Obam's utter political sop failure that created ISIS.

You mean the deal Bush made and Obama was stuck with honouring?

Yes. Except we don't use the "U" in honoring and Obama obviously didn't honor it or ISIS wouldn't exist. Two politicians fucked it up and on the very first day the third politician (cough cough) announces a new plan we may be skeptical but also hopeful. Time will tell...time and I'm sure a few to many lives.

For the last fucking time. The CIA told Bush/Cheney that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was a leading jihadist and was such a serious problem before our invasion in 2003...they should take him out asap.

Bush said no, Zarqawi then conducted a sunni/shia sectarian terrorism for 3 fucking years (killed in 2006) by which time he has long declared himself the 'New Caliphate of ISIS.'

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RE: Do you remember when... - 8/23/2017 8:27:03 AM   
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Obam's utter political sop failure that created ISIS.

You mean the deal Bush made and Obama was stuck with honouring?

Yes. Except we don't use the "U" in honoring and Obama obviously didn't honor it or ISIS wouldn't exist. Two politicians fucked it up and on the very first day the third politician (cough cough) announces a new plan we may be skeptical but also hopeful. Time will tell...time and I'm sure a few to many lives.

For the last fucking time. The CIA told Bush/Cheney that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was a leading jihadist and was such a serious problem before our invasion in 2003...they should take him out asap.

Bush said no, Zarqawi then conducted a sunni/shia sectarian terrorism for 3 fucking years (killed in 2006) by which time he has long declared himself the 'New Caliphate of ISIS.'

Good, I'll hold you to this being the last "fucking" time. Now, do you have a picture of that meeting?

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I remember that Trump is against sending American Troops into Iraq.

But I feel the situation was different.

USA messed the fuck out of Iraq. ISIS was born from the ashes of Al Qaeda.

On Afghanistan though, they did drive out Taliban, BUT the problem is, the current government is still quite useless in keeping Taliban from taking over again.

I believe Taliban/ISIS are in league or at least BFF with each other.

After all, Al Qaeda rose from Taliban.

So I believe Trump's reasoning for more Troops into Afghanistan is about defeating ISIS.

And ISIS hiding out in Afghanistan is more genuine than invading Iraq for Saddam's weapons of Mass Destruction.


ISIS didnt rise from the ashes of Al Qaeda. ISIS was started by al-Zarqawi and he took quite awhile to finally pledge bayat to bin Laden. They are not one in the same

Al Qaeda didnt rise from the Taliban either

Correct. OBL started recruiting for Al-Quada and wanted organize a group and hit the US. The Taliban didn't want to hit the US, they wanted to bring down and reform Arab govts.

[They] then allowed OBL to recruit men from their tribe and he got 2 and only because they wanted OBL's money.

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