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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/26/2017 8:58:36 AM   
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Im wondering how judicial watch and national review got all that information when Kris Kobach says he cant get his proof of voter fraud. Or the information...from the states.
Oh yes, old information.




getting information and getting proof are 2 different things, as well as proof he is not trying very hard is he since others are getting the information

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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/26/2017 9:04:18 AM   
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It also points out some quirks where current assessment of "living adults" is speculation. Census data is taken (I know you know this) every 10 years, but in between, there are estimates of changes to those numbers. The estimates may or may not be relatively accurate, and if estimates are based on previous estimates, the inaccuracies can be compounded. I want to say that in the 2012 or 2014 elections, a story made its rounds of mostly conservative media sources that there was proof of voter skullduggery going on since a story quite similar to the OP's was released. Afterwards, the mistaken use of the number of voting age adults from the 2010 census (not even annual estimates based on the 2010 census, but 2010 census date alone) was exposed.

Non-purged voter rolls + potentially inaccurate estimates of voting age population = conspiratorial stories that may only have a smattering of factual basis.



Details About Removal of Deceased Voters from Voter Registration List


In order to maintain an accurate voter database, our office continually updates the voter registration records to account for the unfortunate situation of a deceased voter. Upon notification and verification of the deceased party, we cancel the appropriate voter record. Our office receives notification through the following methods:

Returned mail that is marked “Deceased”.

Periodic death records provided by the Orange County Health Care Agency.

The “VoteCal Deceased List”, which is a list of deceased voters provided by the California Secretary of State’s office multiple times per year.

The Registrar of Voters office checks the obituaries listed in the newspapers daily.

The roster index correction request, which is available at the polling places on Election Day.

The Registrar of Voters office also cancels inactive voters who have not participated in two consecutive federal general elections, pursuant to California Elections Code 2226.

Notification from a family member, including the name, address and date of death of the deceased.

Notify our office about a deceased voter.

https://www.ocvote.com/registration/keeping-your-registration-up-to-date/deceased-cancellation/details-about-removal-of-deceased-voters-from-voter-registration-list/

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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/26/2017 1:29:23 PM   
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Servant's point is also worth considering: would conspiracy boy be complaining about this if the highest concentration of undead voters were in a red state rather than a blue one?
(It's particularly and pathetically funny coming from somebody whose been part of team "sheer number of votes don't matter as it's all about the counties" since el presidente failed to win the popular vote back in November.)


I doubt RO would have posted about it, but that's besides the point.

And, winning elections in the individual States is how General elections are won, in the US. Imagine the landslide if each State got the same vote representation. She'd have lost 30-21 (District of Columbia isn't a State, but it gets 3 EC votes).


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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/26/2017 1:32:43 PM   
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Is there really any wonder which party is fighting voter roll purging tooth and nail?


and hillary won amazingly by the same amount of non existent voters found on the register!

Is there no bottom to the fraud?


Is there no end to a conspiracy?

How may of those who were dead prior to the 2016 election, yet still on the voter rolls, also voted in the 2016 election?




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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/26/2017 1:44:03 PM   
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Is there really any wonder which party is fighting voter roll purging tooth and nail?


and hillary won amazingly by the same amount of non existent voters found on the register!

Is there no bottom to the fraud?


Is there no end to a conspiracy?

How may of those who were dead prior to the 2016 election, yet still on the voter rolls, also voted in the 2016 election?




I'm waiting to find out what happens when they realise that they've elected a corpse.
I mean look at the fucker: it's a wonder he's not lumbering into the crowd at press conferences shouting "BRAINS!" and trying to bite people. First fucking Tom Savini special effect to be elected to the presidency...

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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/26/2017 2:20:48 PM   
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Is there really any wonder which party is fighting voter roll purging tooth and nail?


and hillary won amazingly by the same amount of non existent voters found on the register!

Is there no bottom to the fraud?


Is there no end to a conspiracy?

How may of those who were dead prior to the 2016 election, yet still on the voter rolls, also voted in the 2016 election?






Conspiracy? Is that like an evol word to you too? Nonexistant in your vocabulary? Cant happen in america, land of honesty?






with the ability to so easily hack these voting machines all they need do is match the numbers, no proof of id required and we know these voting machines have been hacked since its pretty difficult to get a (-) vote count as we did in 2000. Do you htink its mere coincidence that the numbers match?



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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/26/2017 2:34:23 PM   
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Is there really any wonder which party is fighting voter roll purging tooth and nail?


and hillary won amazingly by the same amount of non existent voters found on the register!

Is there no bottom to the fraud?

Is there no end to a conspiracy?
How may of those who were dead prior to the 2016 election, yet still on the voter rolls, also voted in the 2016 election?


Conspiracy? Is that like an evol word to you too? Nonexistant in your vocabulary? Cant happen in america, land of honesty?

with the ability to so easily hack these voting machines all they need do is match the numbers, no proof of id required and we know these voting machines have been hacked since its pretty difficult to get a (-) vote count as we did in 2000. Do you htink its mere coincidence that the numbers match?


Yes, I do think it's mere coincidence that the numbers match.

Did any of those on the voter rolls who were actually deceased prior to the 2016 election actually vote in the 2016 election?

Conspiracy is not a taboo word in my vocabulary. Some conspiracy theories are beyond crazy and need to be put down, like this one. Note the use of the singular form of the word. Intelligent people will see that and figure I was referring to the current conspiracy theory in the thread, and not all conspiracy theories in general.

Obviously, your experience may vary (as we've seen).


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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/26/2017 3:12:43 PM   
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Did any of those on the voter rolls who were actually deceased prior to the 2016 election actually vote in the 2016 election?


that is a great question and it would be fascinating to see the answer.

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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/26/2017 3:15:26 PM   
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Did any of those on the voter rolls who were actually deceased prior to the 2016 election actually vote in the 2016 election?

that is a great question and it would be fascinating to see the answer.


We won't find out. That would deflate the conspiracy bubble.


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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/26/2017 3:20:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		yep a few hundred for sure, but only small timers would take that lame approach.

The big leagues simply hack as was proven in a couple elections by private citizens and of course dismissed out of hand by da gubmint despite they had all the proof.

california just happens to have close to 4 million extra voter slots, which would not be cause for any alarm or investigation should 4 million extra votes show up, and those who would hack the machines only need to know the total max votes to swing the popular vote in favor of in this case hillary. This is not small tim stuff, and hacking voting machines may or may not be a conspiracy since it only takes one hacker to do it, but it is certainly a crime.

...and since there are more votes than voting eligible any resaonable person would have to conclude fraud on some level

Hillary Clinton Leads by 2.8 Million in Final Popular Vote Count
Sarah Begley
Dec 20, 2016

In the final count, Hillary Clinton's lead in the popular vote of the 2016 presidential election was nearly three million votes.



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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/26/2017 3:22:36 PM   
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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/26/2017 4:14:06 PM   
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yep a few hundred for sure, but only small timers would take that lame approach.
The big leagues simply hack as was proven in a couple elections by private citizens and of course dismissed out of hand by da gubmint despite they had all the proof.
california just happens to have close to 4 million extra voter slots, which would not be cause for any alarm or investigation should 4 million extra votes show up, and those who would hack the machines only need to know the total max votes to swing the popular vote in favor of in this case hillary. This is not small tim stuff, and hacking voting machines may or may not be a conspiracy since it only takes one hacker to do it, but it is certainly a crime.
...and since there are more votes than voting eligible any resaonable person would have to conclude fraud on some level
Hillary Clinton Leads by 2.8 Million in Final Popular Vote Count
Sarah Begley
Dec 20, 2016
In the final count, Hillary Clinton's lead in the popular vote of the 2016 presidential election was nearly three million votes.
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what conspiracy bubble? You are the one claiming its a conspiracy not me. wth are you talking about? Where is the conspiracy?


The conspiracy that Shrillary won the popular vote because of dead voters.

Until they can show those that were dead prior to the election voted in the election (and die prior to early early voting, and died before mailing in an absentee ballot; gotta cover my bases), there is nothing but conjecture, speculation, and conspiratorial theorizing at play here.



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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/26/2017 4:44:06 PM   
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According to a Judicial Watch press release:

In the letter, Judicial Watch noted that public records obtained on the Election Assistance Commission’s 2016 Election Administration Voting Survey and through verbal accounts from various county agencies show 11 California counties have more registered voters than voting-age citizens:

Imperial (102%),
Lassen (102%),
Los Angeles (112%),
Monterey (104%),
San Diego (138%),
San Francisco (114%),
San Mateo (111%),
Santa Cruz (109%),
Solano (111%),
Stanislaus (102%), and
Yolo (110%).


Judicial Watch went on to report that officials from Los Angeles County since told the watchdog group in June that the “total number of registered voters now stands at a number that is a whopping 144% of the total number of resident citizens of voting age” for that county.

“California’s voting rolls are an absolute mess that undermines the very idea of clean elections. It is urgent that California take reasonable steps to clean up its rolls,” Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton said in a statement.

“We will sue if state officials fail to act,” he charged.

Section 8 of the NVRA requires states and voting precincts to take appropriate steps to maintain the accuracy of their voting rolls. Such steps include: ensuring those ineligible to vote don’t register and removing voters who have died or moved away.

Judicial Watch, in their letter, gave Padilla 30 days to respond and 90 days to correct the issues — or Judicial Watch will make good on their promise to litigate.

The recent letter was not the first time Judicial Watch threatened to sue a state for appearing to be out of regulation with the NVRA.

The organization notes in their press released that in April they also sent a letter to 11 states threatening to sue should they fail to comply with the NVRA. Those states included: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina and Tennessee.

President Donald Trump lost California in last year’s presidential election to Hillary Clinton by more than 3.4 million votes.




When you are dealing with cities in the millions a few percent is a hell of a lot of votes.

No there is far more than conjecture, there is hard evidence you have chosen to simply ignore and try to dismiss it all under the worn out shoe of conspiracy theory when no one but you is making the claim its a conspiracy and you have absolutely no evidence what so ever it is in fact a conspiracy, you need to look up and understand what a conspiracy is instead of parroting it as your standard jingoism like ninja.

So the average voter turnout in the US is about 57% but californians in 2016 were super partiots with a whopping almost 80% turnout, over 20% more than the rest of the US, not likely.




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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/26/2017 6:52:42 PM   
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no evidence of a conspiracy was presented, that is all about you.


Hey fucktard, who said:
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    and hillary won amazingly by the same amount of non existent voters found on the register!


Right there, you're implying the reason she won the popular vote was because of these non-existent voters.

So, fuck off, Conspiracy Fucktard. This is a about you, as it always is.




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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/27/2017 1:22:09 PM   
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no evidence of a conspiracy was presented, that is all about you.


Hey fucktard, who said:
    quote:

    and hillary won amazingly by the same amount of non existent voters found on the register!


Right there, you're implying the reason she won the popular vote was because of these non-existent voters.

So, fuck off, Conspiracy Fucktard. This is a about you, as it always is.






hey dumb ass, it does not mean it was a conspiracy, one good hacker could have pulled it off all by themselves.

I should not have to dumb it down with crayolas for any adult who understands the english language but for the sake of your ignorance (and one other poster out here) a conspiracy means 1) the subject matter is a crime 2) more than one person planned and/or executed it.

Just because everything you see is a conspiracy to you does not mean it is in reality.

This is why I am a proponent of numbered receipted ballots so they can be a recount with little chance or error or fraud if done corrrectly.

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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/27/2017 3:15:42 PM   
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no evidence of a conspiracy was presented, that is all about you.

Hey fucktard, who said:
    quote:

    and hillary won amazingly by the same amount of non existent voters found on the register!

Right there, you're implying the reason she won the popular vote was because of these non-existent voters.
So, fuck off, Conspiracy Fucktard. This is a about you, as it always is.


hey dumb ass, it does not mean it was a conspiracy, one good hacker could have pulled it off all by themselves.
I should not have to dumb it down with crayolas for any adult who understands the english language but for the sake of your ignorance (and one other poster out here) a conspiracy means 1) the subject matter is a crime 2) more than one person planned and/or executed it.
Just because everything you see is a conspiracy to you does not mean it is in reality.
This is why I am a proponent of numbered receipted ballots so they can be a recount with little chance or error or fraud if done corrrectly.


You're making it a conspiracy. Der.


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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/27/2017 10:47:17 PM   
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conspiracy

1. the act of conspiring. NOPE
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot. NOPE
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: NOPE
He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act. NOPE


sorry man you have rose colored conspiracy glasses, everything you see is a fucking conspiracy. It only takes a single individual to hack any number of voting machines throughout the US, that is a CRIME not a conspiracy

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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/27/2017 10:59:50 PM   
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According to a new study of U.S. Census data, America has more registered voters than actual live voters.

3.5 million more people are registered to vote in the U.S. than are alive among America’s adult citizens.

Los Angeles County, whose more than 10 million people make it the nation’s most populous county, had 12% more registered voters than live ones, some 707,475 votes.

But, Murdock notes, “California’s San Diego County earns the enchilada grande. Its 138% registration translates into 810,966 ghost voters.”

https://overpassesforamerica.com/?p=54750


and most of them in california! How about that.



Just wondering if the article mentioned if these dead folks actually had ballots turned in in their name. Im from Oregon, so our voting is by mail-in ballot. Not sure if California does the same. Or is it just a matter of voter rolls in these places talked about or is it that they just havent been purged from a county elections office list?


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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/27/2017 11:12:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hackers only change the numbers and like all other high level fraud unless you are looking specifically for exactly that you would not see it.

You would show say 1 million registered voters, and 900,000 votes and never be the wiser that 500,000 are ghost votes.

Using the names would mean a body was physically standing at the desk and in the voting booth, that is why I cringed when those asstards came out with electronic voting machines, because its 100% impossible to make an electronic voting machine that is not hackable.

Paper receipted ballot that you keep a copy at home for a recount damn near impossible to defeat.

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RE: Coincidence? U.S. Has As Many Dead Voters! - 8/27/2017 11:40:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		But then Id still want to ask if an inquiry of some sort as to whether in that election of 900,000 votes were ghost votes or genuine ones. I dont know how electronic voting works. Do you have to show photo ID to the elections folks when you show at a voting place? I do see the mystery element of potential hacking, but couldnt an inquiry of votes received still show if a dead registered voter cast a ballot or not? Ive thought our mail-in system makes voter fraud a lot easier to accomplish. I personally do not vote in POTUS elections anymore since its not popular vote that decides that anyway. But that ballot comes right to my door no matter if I actually vote or if I toss it in the recycling bin. I assume our signatures are digitally stored somehow because we do have to sign the outside of our ballots.

And this is just purely the ~FRing it~ part, but honestly what does it matter if my dead since 1999 granny voted for Hillary this last election. My grandma was a diehard Democrat who lived in Idaho when she died. She voted DEM straight ticket, yet Idaho only gave the state's electoral college votes to Republican POTUS candidates no matter what. In my eyes, the popular vote win is really just the icing on the cake for the election winner...and a "Congrats on coming in last, Loser" consolation prize to the losing candidate.

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