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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 4:45:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't seen Antifa oppose any fascists. Mostly they seem to scream fascist and attack anyone that isn't part of their fringe left insanity.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 5:00:59 PM   
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I haven't seen Antifa oppose any fascists. Mostly they seem to scream fascist and attack anyone that isn't part of their fringe left insanity.

Thus Orwell and Let this be the last battlefield.
If the Nazis thought they could get away with it they would do the same thing.
Their opposition to each other is like a Babylon 5 episodes where a race had periods of fighting
to the death based on what color ribbon they pulled out of a barrel.
Make up a new name and you could have them all on the same side.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 5:06:17 PM   
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I haven't seen Antifa oppose any fascists. Mostly they seem to scream fascist and attack anyone that isn't part of their fringe left insanity.

Quite. There was nothing even slightly fascist about those guys in Virginiana, is there?

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 5:10:09 PM   
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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 5:10:27 PM   
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I haven't seen Antifa oppose any fascists. Mostly they seem to scream fascist and attack anyone that isn't part of their fringe left insanity.

Quite. There was nothing even slightly fascist about those guys in Virginiana, is there?

How about those in Berkley, where they worked with the mayor to know when and where
to commit violence. They were in effect his brown shirts.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 5:13:14 PM   
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I haven't seen Antifa oppose any fascists. Mostly they seem to scream fascist and attack anyone that isn't part of their fringe left insanity.

Quite. There was nothing even slightly fascist about those guys in Virginiana, is there?

How about when they provided the mayor of Berkley with brown shirts to silence his opponents.
Fascism in its purest form.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/3/2017 7:56:33 PM   
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I haven't seen Antifa oppose any fascists. Mostly they seem to scream fascist and attack anyone that isn't part of their fringe left insanity.


That's the lefts way of courting votes.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/4/2017 1:38:11 AM   
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God, you're a cretin. Yes, Orwell would have supported Antifa. He wasn't a pacifist - he hated pacifism - but he also hated fascism. Orwell was up for a fight - if you haven't picked that up about him and his life, you know *zero* about what made him tick.

There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that he'd have swallowed the mealy-mouthed, squealy little arguments of people like yourself and Watson that opposing these goosestepping neonazi arseholes somehow makes one a Nazi oneself. It's pathetic. And you and Watson are pathetic too, RM.



So you are basically saying that he would support people WHO ACT LIKE FASCISTS?

Ya know, the ones who commit violent crimes against others just for having a different opinion. That's it, just an opinion, nothing more? Not to mention, the same people who light things on fire, smash and break things, which is usually other people's property, simply because they didn't get their own way?

Are you sure Orwell would support such lowlife CRIMINAL scum?

You don't really think much, don't you?

I really have to laugh at your pure stupidity to actually believe Orwell would support anyone who acts exactly like a fascists.

So what is a right winger called if he/she gets violent with people to force their political views onto others? Aren't they called fascists?

What makes you think Orwell would all the sudden be okay with that behaviour simply because they aren't in the KKK?

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/4/2017 5:00:12 AM   
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I haven't seen Antifa oppose any fascists. Mostly they seem to scream fascist and attack anyone that isn't part of their fringe left insanity.

Then you're particularly poorly informed, and haven't been paying attention.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/4/2017 5:13:02 AM   
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God, you're a cretin. Yes, Orwell would have supported Antifa. He wasn't a pacifist - he hated pacifism - but he also hated fascism. Orwell was up for a fight - if you haven't picked that up about him and his life, you know *zero* about what made him tick.

There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that he'd have swallowed the mealy-mouthed, squealy little arguments of people like yourself and Watson that opposing these goosestepping neonazi arseholes somehow makes one a Nazi oneself. It's pathetic. And you and Watson are pathetic too, RM.



So you are basically saying that he would support people WHO ACT LIKE FASCISTS?

Ya know, the ones who commit violent crimes against others just for having a different opinion. That's it, just an opinion, nothing more? Not to mention, the same people who light things on fire, smash and break things, which is usually other people's property, simply because they didn't get their own way?

Are you sure Orwell would support such lowlife CRIMINAL scum?

Orwell was "lowlife CRIMINAL scum" himself by those terms. Google the International Brigade sometime, and stop embarrassing yourself.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/4/2017 5:16:22 AM   
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(2) that makes yet another poster who can't tell the difference between metaphor and definition.

In this case, the poster is self-insulting.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/4/2017 5:20:42 AM   
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God, you're a cretin. Yes, Orwell would have supported Antifa. He wasn't a pacifist - he hated pacifism - but he also hated fascism. Orwell was up for a fight - if you haven't picked that up about him and his life, you know *zero* about what made him tick.

There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that he'd have swallowed the mealy-mouthed, squealy little arguments of people like yourself and Watson that opposing these goosestepping neonazi arseholes somehow makes one a Nazi oneself. It's pathetic. And you and Watson are pathetic too, RM.



So you are basically saying that he would support people WHO ACT LIKE FASCISTS?

Ya know, the ones who commit violent crimes against others just for having a different opinion. That's it, just an opinion, nothing more? Not to mention, the same people who light things on fire, smash and break things, which is usually other people's property, simply because they didn't get their own way?

Are you sure Orwell would support such lowlife CRIMINAL scum?

Anyone with any familiarity with Orwell, or his life long opposition to fascism will have no doubt about which side he would support in the US today. Anyone with any familarity with Orwell or his beliefs would find the notion that he might align himself with neo-Nazis, the KKK and far right racist thugs so preposterous it would be funny.

Orwell volunteered to fight in the Spanish Civil War on the Republican side, against the fascists of Franco and his Nazi supporters. Unlike some posters here, he had no confusion about where fascism was located on the political spectrum - for Orwell and like minded people of his generation*, fascism was an unambiguously, unequivocally right wing phenomenon to be opposed at every stop everywhere by whatever means necessary.

Orwell would definitely regard Charlottesville's assorted crew of far Right bigots racists and neo-Nazis as "lowlife criminal scum" and probably would be quite sympathetic to the notion of killing the whole wretched lot of them.

* What was true for Orwell's generation is just as true today. Fascism has always been, is and always will be a purely Right wing phenomenon.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/4/2017 5:31:04 AM   
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God, you're a cretin. Yes, Orwell would have supported Antifa. He wasn't a pacifist - he hated pacifism - but he also hated fascism. Orwell was up for a fight - if you haven't picked that up about him and his life, you know *zero* about what made him tick.

There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that he'd have swallowed the mealy-mouthed, squealy little arguments of people like yourself and Watson that opposing these goosestepping neonazi arseholes somehow makes one a Nazi oneself. It's pathetic. And you and Watson are pathetic too, RM.



So you are basically saying that he would support people WHO ACT LIKE FASCISTS?

Ya know, the ones who commit violent crimes against others just for having a different opinion. That's it, just an opinion, nothing more? Not to mention, the same people who light things on fire, smash and break things, which is usually other people's property, simply because they didn't get their own way?

Are you sure Orwell would support such lowlife CRIMINAL scum?

Anyone with any familiarity with Orwell, or his life long opposition to fascism will have no doubt about which side he would support in the US today. Anyone with any familarity with Orwell or his beliefs would find the notion that he might align himself with the neo-Nazi, the KKK and far right racist thugs so funny it would be preposterous.

Orwell volunteered to fight in the Spanish Civil War on the Republican side, against the fascists of Franco and his Nazi supporters. Unlike some posters here, he had no confusion about where fascism was located on the political spectrum - for Orwell and his generation, fascism was an unambiguously, unequivocally right wing phenomenon.

Orwell would definitely regard Charlottesville's assorted crew of far Right bigots racists and neo-Nazis as "lowlife criminal scum" and probably would be quite sympathetic to the notion of killing the whole wretched lot of them.

The argument that the people who are making an effort to physically oppose the fascist elements of the American right are fascists themselves is hilarious, if we're honest. The people who are willing to fight fire with fire because the klansmen, white supremacists, boneheads and other neo-nazi groups won't go away if they're ignored are fascists, but the people who are enabling the lunatic right by sitting on their hands and villifying anybody who opposes (or even just disses) the fascist elements of the right aren't?
Still, I'm sure it's nice for some posters to know that the French Vichy government, Quisling in Norway and the rest weren't fascists, but these guys were:


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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/4/2017 5:50:16 AM   
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(1) Antifa has been around quite some time, and has opposed fascists often.
(2) You might argue they've been ineffective. But hardly the confusion that you too show you share between metaphor and definition.

Beyond the silly name childishness, the "enemy of America" nonsense shows you getting worse.

Not to mention trivializing the significant struggle this country made against both fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.

Best guess, your personal hatred has clouded what judgment you've had. You've become a BoscoX clone.

Now that you can't follow mn around trading felchgobbles, you seem adrift and looking desperately for new places to react -- but with the same ridiculousness.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/4/2017 6:11:01 AM   
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They hate America, hate elections, hate free speech



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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/4/2017 6:20:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Right. He's pro free speech for Nazis marching and shouting hate slogans, but against groups opposing that marching and shouting their slogans.

And then is befuddled how anyone could see him as a Nazi sympathizer.

Or just looking to provoke reactions.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/4/2017 6:26:23 AM   
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Ever read Orwell's "Shooting an Elephant," about his experience as part of the military governance of Burma?

Very instructive about how and why he formed his later views -- and why he's definitely not a fascist fan.

http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/887/

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/4/2017 6:26:42 AM   
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Right. He's pro free speech for Nazis marching and shouting hate slogans, but against groups opposing that marching and shouting their slogans.

And then is befuddled how anyone could see him as a Nazi sympathizer.

Or just looking to provoke reactions.


Your own propaganda sources admit what you are too dumb to understand. Violent antifa mobs don't "just" violently oppose unpopular groups practicing their free speech rights

They physically attack many others for disagreeing with their fascist hate mantra

Everyone gets that but you

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/4/2017 6:32:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		See, here's the thing -- absolutely, oppose the physical violence. It's why we have police. It's why they get arrested.

But you manage to spin it around to sympathy for the poor Nazi victims. Who frankly, aren't doing so badly.

I know you suck at definitions, but here's another important distinction:

- groups and individuals who oppose neo-Nazis (they have my blessing, within the constraints of the law, even if I think most of what they do is noise).
- groups and individuals who favor anarchy. I'm a pro-government liberal, not a "government is the problem" neo-conservative iconoclast.

Alas, current day antifa does appear to be leaning toward the anarchist view. It won't serve them well in the end, any more than shows of hate and force will serve the neo-Nazis in the end.

But even there, fascism and anarchism are worlds apart.

They are hardly birds of a feather.

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RE: George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa' - 9/4/2017 6:47:00 AM   
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You are a brain damaged howler troll. Moronic beyond words

I have never twisted anything to sympathy for Nazis, that's purely in your psychotic hallucinations. A product of your your unmanaged derangement syndrome

Now to pivot away from the trolls' derail into fallacies - Re: The topic, and in communist left California, no less: From the LA Times -

After Bay Area violence, California debates classifying 'antifa' as a street gang

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