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You are a brain damaged howler troll. Moronic beyond words

I have never twisted anything to sympathy for Nazis, that's purely in your psychotic hallucinations. A product of your your unmanaged derangement syndrome

Now to pivot away from the trolls' derail into fallacies - Re: The topic, and in communist left California, no less: From the LA Times -

After Bay Area violence, California debates classifying 'antifa' as a street gang

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

God, you're a cretin. Yes, Orwell would have supported Antifa. He wasn't a pacifist - he hated pacifism - but he also hated fascism. Orwell was up for a fight - if you haven't picked that up about him and his life, you know *zero* about what made him tick.

There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that he'd have swallowed the mealy-mouthed, squealy little arguments of people like yourself and Watson that opposing these goosestepping neonazi arseholes somehow makes one a Nazi oneself. It's pathetic. And you and Watson are pathetic too, RM.

So you are basically saying that he would support people WHO ACT LIKE FASCISTS?

Ya know, the ones who commit violent crimes against others just for having a different opinion. That's it, just an opinion, nothing more? Not to mention, the same people who light things on fire, smash and break things, which is usually other people's property, simply because they didn't get their own way?

Are you sure Orwell would support such lowlife CRIMINAL scum?

Anyone with any familiarity with Orwell, or his life long opposition to fascism will have no doubt about which side he would support in the US today. Anyone with any familarity with Orwell or his beliefs would find the notion that he might align himself with neo-Nazis, the KKK and far right racist thugs so preposterous it would be funny.

Orwell volunteered to fight in the Spanish Civil War on the Republican side, against the fascists of Franco and his Nazi supporters. Unlike some posters here, he had no confusion about where fascism was located on the political spectrum - for Orwell and like minded people of his generation*, fascism was an unambiguously, unequivocally right wing phenomenon to be opposed at every stop everywhere by whatever means necessary.

Orwell would definitely regard Charlottesville's assorted crew of far Right bigots racists and neo-Nazis as "lowlife criminal scum" and probably would be quite sympathetic to the notion of killing the whole wretched lot of them.

* What was true for Orwell's generation is just as true today. Fascism has always been, is and always will be a purely Right wing phenomenon.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

See, here's the thing -- absolutely, oppose the physical violence. It's why we have police. It's why they get arrested.

But you manage to spin it around to sympathy for the poor Nazi victims. Who frankly, aren't doing so badly.

I know you suck at definitions, but here's another important distinction:

- groups and individuals who oppose neo-Nazis (they have my blessing, within the constraints of the law, even if I think most of what they do is noise).
- groups and individuals who favor anarchy. I'm a pro-government liberal, not a "government is the problem" neo-conservative iconoclast.

Alas, current day antifa does appear to be leaning toward the anarchist view. It won't serve them well in the end, any more than shows of hate and force will serve the neo-Nazis in the end.

But even there, fascism and anarchism are worlds apart.

They are hardly birds of a feather.

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George Orwell Would Have Supported Antifa

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I abhor Antifa and think they are nothing more than a gift for the far right. Instead of us all persecuting Nazi sympathizers, the right wing media are now trying to tease sympathy out of us all towards the fascists.

I'm a left wing thinker but that doesn't make me a hardcore socialist or a communist, it just means I like to see equality and dislike the growth of corporate power for the one percent and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy. For me, the Left has been built on togetherness/inclusiveness and the Right on separatism. Getting us common folk fighting against race, religion, class, and ideal's is so right wing.

All Antifa are doing is giving the Right, good reason to slate the Left.

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President Trump should send federal agents to any protest where the terrorist antifa may appear in order to protect peaceful protesters and their first amendment rights.

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I abhor Antifa and think they are nothing more than a gift for the far right. Instead of us all persecuting Nazi sympathizers, the right wing media are now trying to tease sympathy out of us all towards the fascists.

I'm a left wing thinker but that doesn't make me a hardcore socialist or a communist, it just means I like to see equality and dislike the growth of corporate power for the one percent and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy. For me, the Left has been built on togetherness/inclusiveness and the Right on separatism. Getting us common folk fighting against race, religion, class, and ideal's is so right wing.

All Antifa are doing is giving the Right, good reason to slate the Left.

Nazis etc do not have the same beliefs as the vast majority of conservatives. They are scum whom we detest.
Antifa is providing the same bad example for the left. I don't think that the Nazis and there ilk are worth the bullets it would take to blow their brains out.
I have the same opinion of Antia and company.

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I abhor Antifa and think they are nothing more than a gift for the far right. Instead of us all persecuting Nazi sympathizers, the right wing media are now trying to tease sympathy out of us all towards the fascists.

I'm a left wing thinker but that doesn't make me a hardcore socialist or a communist, it just means I like to see equality and dislike the growth of corporate power for the one percent and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy. For me, the Left has been built on togetherness/inclusiveness and the Right on separatism. Getting us common folk fighting against race, religion, class, and ideal's is so right wing.

All Antifa are doing is giving the Right, good reason to slate the Left.

Nazis etc do not have the same beliefs as the vast majority of conservatives. They are scum whom we detest.
Antifa is providing the same bad example for the left. I don't think that the Nazis and there ilk are worth the bullets it would take to blow their brains out.
I have the same opinion of Antia and company.

Most leftists march in lockstep with antifa fascists

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antifa fascists