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I abhor Antifa and think they are nothing more than a gift for the far right. Instead of us all persecuting Nazi sympathizers, the right wing media are now trying to tease sympathy out of us all towards the fascists.

I'm a left wing thinker but that doesn't make me a hardcore socialist or a communist, it just means I like to see equality and dislike the growth of corporate power for the one percent and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy. For me, the Left has been built on togetherness/inclusiveness and the Right on separatism. Getting us common folk fighting against race, religion, class, and ideal's is so right wing.

All Antifa are doing is giving the Right, good reason to slate the Left.

Nazis etc do not have the same beliefs as the vast majority of conservatives. They are scum whom we detest.
Antifa is providing the same bad example for the left. I don't think that the Nazis and there ilk are worth the bullets it would take to blow their brains out.
I have the same opinion of Antia and company.

I know. A lot of my friends sit to the Right and they certainly don't support the Nazi or Holocaust deniers brigade.

Have they disavowed the neo-nazis, or are they silent supporters who are too scared to admit that they support the wingnuts, in the same way that every moslem on Earth who isn't a member of daesh or another terrorist organisation supports the jihad against the western world?

You really believe that every Muslim on earth supports Jihad against the western world?!? If that was sarcasm, it came across wrong.

No, they are not silent supporters of neo nazis. They are not politically minded and so give little thought to the shenanigans of right wing government. They are just consumer slaves who work harder and harder to buy things they don’t need. As long as they can still indulge in fashion, celebrity gossip, sex, music and technology they will continue to declare themselves right wing thinkers and support their masters in the ballot box.

We have to accept that some people prefer to remain less informed.

The moslem thing is one of Bosco's stock lines: in Boscoworld, there aren't any moslems who came over here to get away from the fundamentalist nonsense, they're all jihadists who have it in for Tepes and Charlemagne from stopping them imposing a global caliphate during the dark ages. A context dependent thing, rather than sarcasm, but I find it pathetic that the stupid little shit thinks that he can make generalisations like that then nitpick individual cases to say that nobody on the mainstream right supports the neonazis, despite the fact that the mainstream right elected the alt-right's poster boy last November.

THATS lovely, you admit that even Muslims can't stand the violence that Muslims perpetuate

SPEAKING of terrorists, antifa is the definition of a terrorist group. They are using violence and the threat of violence to advance their political agenda, that is stopping anyone's speech they disagree with. This is a first amendment fight that, since the democrat leftist authorities are unwilling to stop, will eventually lead to people using their second amendment right to defend their first amendment right and themselves from physical assault.

Who have the antifa terrorists stopped from speaking freely?
Why do you feel that their first and second amendment rights are less important than those of a bunch of inbred retards who were waving torches around and chanting outside of a synagogue?

For one example Berkley.
Every time Antifa shows up they attack people, violently.
@nd amendment rights do you mean that because they disagree
the 2nd gives them the right to just start shooting.
Marching around a place of worship is hateful. Committing an act of violence is not only
violating the other groups 1st amendment rights but abusing their own.
Of course you think that shooting people you disagree with is legitimate protest. You do not want to win that argument.

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Fascism has always been, is and always will be a purely Right wing phenomenon.

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I abhor Antifa and think they are nothing more than a gift for the far right. Instead of us all persecuting Nazi sympathizers, the right wing media are now trying to tease sympathy out of us all towards the fascists.

I'm a left wing thinker but that doesn't make me a hardcore socialist or a communist, it just means I like to see equality and dislike the growth of corporate power for the one percent and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy. For me, the Left has been built on togetherness/inclusiveness and the Right on separatism. Getting us common folk fighting against race, religion, class, and ideal's is so right wing.

All Antifa are doing is giving the Right, good reason to slate the Left.

Nazis etc do not have the same beliefs as the vast majority of conservatives. They are scum whom we detest.
Antifa is providing the same bad example for the left. I don't think that the Nazis and there ilk are worth the bullets it would take to blow their brains out.
I have the same opinion of Antia and company.

I know. A lot of my friends sit to the Right and they certainly don't support the Nazi or Holocaust deniers brigade.

Have they disavowed the neo-nazis, or are they silent supporters who are too scared to admit that they support the wingnuts, in the same way that every moslem on Earth who isn't a member of daesh or another terrorist organisation supports the jihad against the western world?

You really believe that every Muslim on earth supports Jihad against the western world?!? If that was sarcasm, it came across wrong.

No, they are not silent supporters of neo nazis. They are not politically minded and so give little thought to the shenanigans of right wing government. They are just consumer slaves who work harder and harder to buy things they don’t need. As long as they can still indulge in fashion, celebrity gossip, sex, music and technology they will continue to declare themselves right wing thinkers and support their masters in the ballot box.

We have to accept that some people prefer to remain less informed.

The moslem thing is one of Bosco's stock lines: in Boscoworld, there aren't any moslems who came over here to get away from the fundamentalist nonsense, they're all jihadists who have it in for Tepes and Charlemagne from stopping them imposing a global caliphate during the dark ages. A context dependent thing, rather than sarcasm, but I find it pathetic that the stupid little shit thinks that he can make generalisations like that then nitpick individual cases to say that nobody on the mainstream right supports the neonazis, despite the fact that the mainstream right elected the alt-right's poster boy last November.

THATS lovely, you admit that even Muslims can't stand the violence that Muslims perpetuate

SPEAKING of terrorists, antifa is the definition of a terrorist group. They are using violence and the threat of violence to advance their political agenda, that is stopping anyone's speech they disagree with. This is a first amendment fight that, since the democrat leftist authorities are unwilling to stop, will eventually lead to people using their second amendment right to defend their first amendment right and themselves from physical assault.

Who have the antifa terrorists stopped from speaking freely?
Why do you feel that their first and second amendment rights are less important than those of a bunch of inbred retards who were waving torches around and chanting outside of a synagogue?

For one example Berkley.
Every time Antifa shows up they attack people, violently.
@nd amendment rights do you mean that because they disagree
the 2nd gives them the right to just start shooting.
Marching around a place of worship is hateful. Committing an act of violence is not only
violating the other groups 1st amendment rights but abusing their own.
Of course you think that shooting people you disagree with is legitimate protest. You do not want to win that argument.

Not a rebuttal of anything I said.
Try again.

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I abhor Antifa and think they are nothing more than a gift for the far right. Instead of us all persecuting Nazi sympathizers, the right wing media are now trying to tease sympathy out of us all towards the fascists.

I'm a left wing thinker but that doesn't make me a hardcore socialist or a communist, it just means I like to see equality and dislike the growth of corporate power for the one percent and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy. For me, the Left has been built on togetherness/inclusiveness and the Right on separatism. Getting us common folk fighting against race, religion, class, and ideal's is so right wing.

All Antifa are doing is giving the Right, good reason to slate the Left.

Nazis etc do not have the same beliefs as the vast majority of conservatives. They are scum whom we detest.
Antifa is providing the same bad example for the left. I don't think that the Nazis and there ilk are worth the bullets it would take to blow their brains out.
I have the same opinion of Antia and company.

I know. A lot of my friends sit to the Right and they certainly don't support the Nazi or Holocaust deniers brigade.

Have they disavowed the neo-nazis, or are they silent supporters who are too scared to admit that they support the wingnuts, in the same way that every moslem on Earth who isn't a member of daesh or another terrorist organisation supports the jihad against the western world?

You really believe that every Muslim on earth supports Jihad against the western world?!? If that was sarcasm, it came across wrong.

No, they are not silent supporters of neo nazis. They are not politically minded and so give little thought to the shenanigans of right wing government. They are just consumer slaves who work harder and harder to buy things they don’t need. As long as they can still indulge in fashion, celebrity gossip, sex, music and technology they will continue to declare themselves right wing thinkers and support their masters in the ballot box.

We have to accept that some people prefer to remain less informed.

The moslem thing is one of Bosco's stock lines: in Boscoworld, there aren't any moslems who came over here to get away from the fundamentalist nonsense, they're all jihadists who have it in for Tepes and Charlemagne from stopping them imposing a global caliphate during the dark ages. A context dependent thing, rather than sarcasm, but I find it pathetic that the stupid little shit thinks that he can make generalisations like that then nitpick individual cases to say that nobody on the mainstream right supports the neonazis, despite the fact that the mainstream right elected the alt-right's poster boy last November.

THATS lovely, you admit that even Muslims can't stand the violence that Muslims perpetuate

SPEAKING of terrorists, antifa is the definition of a terrorist group. They are using violence and the threat of violence to advance their political agenda, that is stopping anyone's speech they disagree with. This is a first amendment fight that, since the democrat leftist authorities are unwilling to stop, will eventually lead to people using their second amendment right to defend their first amendment right and themselves from physical assault.

Who have the antifa terrorists stopped from speaking freely?
Why do you feel that their first and second amendment rights are less important than those of a bunch of inbred retards who were waving torches around and chanting outside of a synagogue?

For one example Berkley.
Every time Antifa shows up they attack people, violently.
@nd amendment rights do you mean that because they disagree
the 2nd gives them the right to just start shooting.
Marching around a place of worship is hateful. Committing an act of violence is not only
violating the other groups 1st amendment rights but abusing their own.
Of course you think that shooting people you disagree with is legitimate protest. You do not want to win that argument.

Not a rebuttal of anything I said.
Try again.

To bad you can't read anything that disagrees with you.
Your defense of Antifa, which homeland security considers a terrorist group
is just as bad as the morons who would defend the Klans lynchings.

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I abhor Antifa and think they are nothing more than a gift for the far right. Instead of us all persecuting Nazi sympathizers, the right wing media are now trying to tease sympathy out of us all towards the fascists.

I'm a left wing thinker but that doesn't make me a hardcore socialist or a communist, it just means I like to see equality and dislike the growth of corporate power for the one percent and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy. For me, the Left has been built on togetherness/inclusiveness and the Right on separatism. Getting us common folk fighting against race, religion, class, and ideal's is so right wing.

All Antifa are doing is giving the Right, good reason to slate the Left.

Nazis etc do not have the same beliefs as the vast majority of conservatives. They are scum whom we detest.
Antifa is providing the same bad example for the left. I don't think that the Nazis and there ilk are worth the bullets it would take to blow their brains out.
I have the same opinion of Antia and company.

I know. A lot of my friends sit to the Right and they certainly don't support the Nazi or Holocaust deniers brigade.

Have they disavowed the neo-nazis, or are they silent supporters who are too scared to admit that they support the wingnuts, in the same way that every moslem on Earth who isn't a member of daesh or another terrorist organisation supports the jihad against the western world?

You really believe that every Muslim on earth supports Jihad against the western world?!? If that was sarcasm, it came across wrong.

No, they are not silent supporters of neo nazis. They are not politically minded and so give little thought to the shenanigans of right wing government. They are just consumer slaves who work harder and harder to buy things they don’t need. As long as they can still indulge in fashion, celebrity gossip, sex, music and technology they will continue to declare themselves right wing thinkers and support their masters in the ballot box.

We have to accept that some people prefer to remain less informed.

The moslem thing is one of Bosco's stock lines: in Boscoworld, there aren't any moslems who came over here to get away from the fundamentalist nonsense, they're all jihadists who have it in for Tepes and Charlemagne from stopping them imposing a global caliphate during the dark ages. A context dependent thing, rather than sarcasm, but I find it pathetic that the stupid little shit thinks that he can make generalisations like that then nitpick individual cases to say that nobody on the mainstream right supports the neonazis, despite the fact that the mainstream right elected the alt-right's poster boy last November.

THATS lovely, you admit that even Muslims can't stand the violence that Muslims perpetuate

SPEAKING of terrorists, antifa is the definition of a terrorist group. They are using violence and the threat of violence to advance their political agenda, that is stopping anyone's speech they disagree with. This is a first amendment fight that, since the democrat leftist authorities are unwilling to stop, will eventually lead to people using their second amendment right to defend their first amendment right and themselves from physical assault.

Who have the antifa terrorists stopped from speaking freely?
Why do you feel that their first and second amendment rights are less important than those of a bunch of inbred retards who were waving torches around and chanting outside of a synagogue?

For one example Berkley.
Every time Antifa shows up they attack people, violently.
@nd amendment rights do you mean that because they disagree
the 2nd gives them the right to just start shooting.
Marching around a place of worship is hateful. Committing an act of violence is not only
violating the other groups 1st amendment rights but abusing their own.
Of course you think that shooting people you disagree with is legitimate protest. You do not want to win that argument.

Not a rebuttal of anything I said.
Try again.

To bad you can't read anything that disagrees with you.
Your defense of Antifa, which homeland security considers a terrorist group
is just as bad as the morons who would defend the Klans lynchings.

If the antifa are a terrorist group, why aren't the neo nazis? They're the ones who killed somebody with a car (Jihadist style) in Charlottesville, after all.

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Fascism is what actions you do, not what side of the political spectrum you are.

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think the neo Nazis are. But they are not as violent as Antifa
They were on the FBI's list before there was a DHS.

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think the neo Nazis are. But they are not as violent as Antifa
They were on the FBI's list before there was a DHS.

What does that prove? So were the neo nazis, the Klan and a bunch of white supremacist groups.

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think the neo Nazis are. But they are not as violent as Antifa
They were on the FBI's list before there was a DHS.

What does that prove? So were the neo nazis, the Klan and a bunch of white supremacist groups.

who were antifa fighting?

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think the neo Nazis are. But they are not as violent as Antifa
They were on the FBI's list before there was a DHS.

What does that prove? So were the neo nazis, the Klan and a bunch of white supremacist groups.

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think the neo Nazis are. But they are not as violent as Antifa
They were on the FBI's list before there was a DHS.

What does that prove? So were the neo nazis, the Klan and a bunch of white supremacist groups.

I was saying that the Neo Nazis were on the list before Dhs existed. The put intifa on the list during the
Obama administration, but Obama , like you gave them a pass because they are on the left.
Both are rabble rousing scum and both Anitfa and the Nazis should be treated accordingly.
Some racists make excuses for neo Nazis, you make excuses for Antifa.

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Fascism is what actions you do, not what side of the political spectrum you are.

Nonsense. But, just for the sake of argument: what actions would those be, in your view?

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The actions of inflicting violence onto others for having a different point of view.

I want your honest answer, peon, if that's possible. I know you are intellectually dishonest a lot of the time though.

If right wingers acted the same as antifa, what would they be, peon? Are they fascists? If so, why. If not, why?

If right wingers acted the same against their opponents as antifa acts against theirs, there is no doubt in my mind that leftists would be squealing "facsist"!

It's like saying if a leftist kills someone, it isn't murder. It's only murder when a right winger kills someone. That's the type of wacky logic you get from the left.

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think the neo Nazis are. But they are not as violent as Antifa
They were on the FBI's list before there was a DHS.

What does that prove? So were the neo nazis, the Klan and a bunch of white supremacist groups.

I was saying that the Neo Nazis were on the list before Dhs existed. The put intifa on the list during the
Obama administration, but Obama , like you gave them a pass because they are on the left.
Both are rabble rousing scum and both Anitfa and the Nazis should be treated accordingly.
Some racists make excuses for neo Nazis, you make excuses for Antifa.

There wouldn't be any antifa if it wasn't for the neo-nazis.
If you don't like having them around causing trouble, clean out your own nest instead of making excuses for the problem elements holed up in there.

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The actions of inflicting violence onto others for having a different point of view.

I want your honest answer, peon, if that's possible. I know you are intellectually dishonest a lot of the time though.

If right wingers acted the same as antifa, what would they be, peon? Are they fascists? If so, why. If not, why?

If right wingers acted the same against their opponents as antifa acts against theirs, there is no doubt in my mind that leftists would be squealing "facsist"!

It's like saying if a leftist kills someone, it isn't murder. It's only murder when a right winger kills someone. That's the type of wacky logic you get from the left.

This is the same species of dribble as your now-famous 'feminism is what feminists do'. 'Intellectual dishonesty', my arse. I've only ever been accused of that by one or two certifiable fruitcakes here. You crack me up!

Where are you going with this 'reasoning' of yours, RM?

If right wingers - actually you mean ultra-right-wingers, of course, because nobody's said all right wingers are Nazis or even close - acted the same as their opponents - by which ... not argue for the subordination of other races, not aim guns at them, not drive cars into them, for instance? What are you getting at?

Tell me, RM: all those Allied soldiers who fought the Germans in WW2 - were they Nazis, because they used most of the same fighting tactics as the Nazis themselves? People of opposing sides will often act the same way, on the basis of the belief that you have to fight fire with fire.

Fascism is an ideology. It makes no sense to define some political ideology or another on the basis of people's actions alone and in a way that's divorced from their ideas. The clue is in the words 'idea' and 'ideology' having the same root.