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Made2Obey -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 4:13:28 PM)

There were three major factors...
Poor zoning and overbuilding.
Inadequate levees and dykes.
The non-porous clay soil in the area which doesn't soak up water.




captive4ever -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 4:15:35 PM)

What has any of this got to do with the asshole Trump stopping DACA?




Hillwilliam -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 4:16:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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I heard that the large number of homes flooded in Houston were mostly in the suburbs and were the result of lax or nonexistent zoning laws, so it is on the city zoning board that such a disaster resulted. That’s what I heard; not sure how true it is.

Houston is probably like Miami before Andrew.

They had the best planning and zoning people that money could buy.
You lived there. The planning and zoning dept and zoning inspectors were OWNED by the Latin Builders Association.




Made2Obey -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 4:23:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey

500,000 undocumented homeowners? Renters maybe, but likely not owners. It's tough to get a mortgage without documentation, and most undocumented wouldn't arrive with sufficient cash to buy a home in the Houston area.

What will likely become of them is that they will salvage whatever they can and then move to another sanctuary city.

Sorry. I sold real estate for well over a decade.

Foreign nationals can buy and sell anything they want. If they have a large enough down payment, "no doc loans" are common.

think about it.. If foreigners couldn't buy property, how did the fucking Japanese end up owning so much back between about 78 and 90?


Never said foreigners couldn't buy property. But most 22 year olds can't pony up a 10-20% down payment. If they went to college they haven't been out and working long enough and likely are burdened with student loan debt they need to address first. If they didn't go to college they usually aren't making enough to have saved that kind of money. In that sense dreamers are no different than any other group of 22 year olds.
I'm guessing that you sold very few homes to twenty-somethings.




vincentML -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 4:24:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey

500,000 undocumented homeowners? Renters maybe, but likely not owners. It's tough to get a mortgage without documentation, and most undocumented wouldn't arrive with sufficient cash to buy a home in the Houston area.

What will likely become of them is that they will salvage whatever they can and then move to another sanctuary city.

Dreamers were given certain identity documents, as long as they continued to qualify for the program and renew their status, that let them buy homes, among other things.

They do not live in sanctuary cities. There is no need for them to. They are protected from deportation.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/american-dream-after-qualifying-daca-young-immigrants-buy-homes-n475666

some excerpts:

allows qualified undocumented young immigrants brought to the United States as young children to gain temporary protection from deportation. Though it does not put young immigrants on a path to legalization, it gives them the chance to apply for a work permit and a social security number and renew their DACA status every two years.




Ariza bought her house after getting approved for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), a program Obama launched in 2012 that allows qualified undocumented young immigrants brought to the United States as young children to gain temporary protection from deportation. Though it does not put young immigrants on a path to legalization, it gives them the chance to apply for a work permit and a social security number and renew their DACA status every two years.


The program has allowed young immigrants to attend college, get jobs and obtain driver's licenses, among other things.

Even before DACA was announced, Ariza had already been preparing to buy a house. She began working and building up her credit at age 16, paid her way through college and saved money for a house down payment.

When she was approved for DACA in 2013, she transferred her credit history, which she built using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN), to her new social security number. She also used her psychology degree to get a job working as a home-based service provider for people with developmental disabilities at a non-profit organization called El Valor.





There are only 800,000 qualified dreamers under DACA and their average age is 22. Do you really expect me to believe that 500,000 of them lived in Houston and the surrounding area, and at the age of 22 could afford to own homes. I would guess that given their ages less than 5% of the dreamers are homeowners.
The vast majority of those 500,000 were your everyday illegal and not dreamers.

In any event it is an awful thing to do to innocent young people. I heard the Atty. Gen. prattle on about maintaining the law and order. But justice is cold fish without mercy. Can you imagine being 22 years old and required to go back to some country and culture which you do not remember since you last departed it at age 6 or so? What an awful president we have.

The quality of mercy is not strain'd,
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath: it is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
'Tis mightiest in the mightiest: it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown;
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway;
It is enthroned in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God's
When mercy seasons justice. Therefore, Jew,
Though justice be thy plea, consider this,
That, in the course of justice, none of us
Should see salvation: we do pray for mercy;
And that same prayer doth teach us all to render
The deeds of mercy. I have spoke thus much
To mitigate the justice of thy plea;
Which if thou follow, this strict court of Venice
Must needs give sentence 'gainst the merchant there.
— The Merchant of Venice, Act 4, Scene 1

Mercy and forgiveness are enduring themes that pervade Shakespeare's works.[6][4] The quote is an example of the esteem Shakespeare held for those who showed mercy as expressed in his poetry. Shakespeare presented mercy as a quality most valuable to the most powerful, strongest and highest people in society.[7]





Made2Obey -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 4:35:04 PM)

It's not a good situation from any angle, but Trump didn't bring them here, or invite their parents to. The blame for the situation faced by the dreamers lies on their parents who understood they were committing a criminal act. Maybe the dreamers shouldn't have to pay for the sins of their fathers, but neither should American citizens.




stef -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 4:43:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey

Maybe the dreamers shouldn't have to pay for the sins of their fathers, but neither should American citizens.

You're not paying anything for them.




Lucylastic -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 4:45:01 PM)

im gonna have to put it on hide
"stupidity should be painful"




Made2Obey -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 4:45:32 PM)

Don't kid yourself, we have paid for their education, their healthcare, and in most cases their housing and at least part of their food.




Lucylastic -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 4:53:20 PM)

ask for a refund....




tamaka -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 4:57:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey

Don't kid yourself, we have paid for their education, their healthcare, and in most cases their housing and at least part of their food.



Absolutely. They need to be shipped back with their parents and hopefully they will make a positive difference in their homeland.




Made2Obey -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 5:02:31 PM)

I'm of the mind that if they wish to stay, and even become citizens, then they should do a minimum of two years in the military, at least six months of which must be front line combat. If they want to be Americans let them earn the right.




DesideriScuri -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 5:07:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
In any event it is an awful thing to do to innocent young people. I heard the Atty. Gen. prattle on about maintaining the law and order. But justice is cold fish without mercy. Can you imagine being 22 years old and required to go back to some country and culture which you do not remember since you last departed it at age 6 or so? What an awful president we have.


Aw, how cute. Laws are supposed to apply to all evenly. To not do so would be discriminatory. But, that's not necessarily a bad thing in your eyes, is it?




stef -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 5:08:19 PM)

Bless your heart. Are you a "christian" by any chance?




DesideriScuri -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 5:08:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey
It's not a good situation from any angle, but Trump didn't bring them here, or invite their parents to. The blame for the situation faced by the dreamers lies on their parents who understood they were committing a criminal act. Maybe the dreamers shouldn't have to pay for the sins of their fathers, but neither should American citizens.


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BoscoX -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 5:41:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey

It's not a good situation from any angle, but Trump didn't bring them here, or invite their parents to. The blame for the situation faced by the dreamers lies on their parents who understood they were committing a criminal act. Maybe the dreamers shouldn't have to pay for the sins of their fathers, but neither should American citizens.


The LAW says deport them

Law that everyone agreed on and passed through the House and the Senate and signed by a president.

If that should not be the LAW, then it really needs to be done properly - not ignored or repealed through make-believe pretend methods by a rogue president (the dumbest, most incompetent ever).

And Mexico's LAWS are far harsher btw, and they are enforced (those racist bastards)




Lucylastic -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 6:03:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey

I'm of the mind that if they wish to stay, and even become citizens, then they should do a minimum of two years in the military, at least six months of which must be front line combat. If they want to be Americans let them earn the right.


Front line combat
Ah yes, cannon fodder ...how cute.
"of a mind"....thats an awesome statement.





DesideriScuri -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 6:39:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey
It's not a good situation from any angle, but Trump didn't bring them here, or invite their parents to. The blame for the situation faced by the dreamers lies on their parents who understood they were committing a criminal act. Maybe the dreamers shouldn't have to pay for the sins of their fathers, but neither should American citizens.

The LAW says deport them
Law that everyone agreed on and passed through the House and the Senate and signed by a president.
If that should not be the LAW, then it really needs to be done properly - not ignored or repealed through make-believe pretend methods by a rogue president (the dumbest, most incompetent ever).


Well, yeah. It's okay for one President to change the way the law applies, but not okay for another President to change the way a law was changed to apply. [8D]

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And Mexico's LAWS are far harsher btw, and they are enforced (those racist bastards)


Their laws are immaterial to how we make laws here.




DesideriScuri -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 6:41:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey
I'm of the mind that if they wish to stay, and even become citizens, then they should do a minimum of two years in the military, at least six months of which must be front line combat. If they want to be Americans let them earn the right.

Front line combat
Ah yes, cannon fodder ...how cute.


That's a stupid comment.

No one uses cannons anymore. It's mortars, machine guns, IED's, etc.

So, "artillery" fodder.

Cannons. SMH [8D]




MrRodgers -> RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme (9/5/2017 6:49:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey

500,000 undocumented homeowners? Renters maybe, but likely not owners. It's tough to get a mortgage without documentation, and most undocumented wouldn't arrive with sufficient cash to buy a home in the Houston area.

What will likely become of them is that they will salvage whatever they can and then move to another sanctuary city.

Sorry. I sold real estate for well over a decade.

Foreign nationals can buy and sell anything they want. If they have a large enough down payment, "no doc loans" are common.

think about it.. If foreigners couldn't buy property, how did the fucking Japanese end up owning so much back between about 78 and 90?

The Japanese formed US companies to own properties. Many foreign investors do that. Europeans, ME, Asian and Russians now too. Everybody can bring cash some of it not so clean but hey...this is America.

American banking is expert at laundering cash for a piece of the action.




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