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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/5/2017 6:52:56 PM   
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Don't kid yourself, we have paid for their education, their healthcare, and in most cases their housing and at least part of their food.


You are going to need to site all of that.

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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/5/2017 6:56:48 PM   
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I'm of the mind that if they wish to stay, and even become citizens, then they should do a minimum of two years in the military, at least six months of which must be front line combat. If they want to be Americans let them earn the right.

Front line combat
Ah yes, cannon fodder ...how cute.


That's a stupid comment.

No one uses cannons anymore. It's mortars, machine guns, IED's, etc.

So, "artillery" fodder.

Cannons. SMH


MOAB fodder?


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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/5/2017 7:46:23 PM   
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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/5/2017 7:56:30 PM   
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It's not a good situation from any angle, but Trump didn't bring them here, or invite their parents to. The blame for the situation faced by the dreamers lies on their parents who understood they were committing a criminal act. Maybe the dreamers shouldn't have to pay for the sins of their fathers, but neither should American citizens.

The LAW says deport them
Law that everyone agreed on and passed through the House and the Senate and signed by a president.
If that should not be the LAW, then it really needs to be done properly - not ignored or repealed through make-believe pretend methods by a rogue president (the dumbest, most incompetent ever).


Well, yeah. It's okay for one President to change the way the law applies, but not okay for another President to change the way a law was changed to apply.

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And Mexico's LAWS are far harsher btw, and they are enforced (those racist bastards)


Their laws are immaterial to how we make laws here.



You are an idiot.

Presidents are sworn to uphold the law, they do not write law. Obama unconstitutionally wrote law with his Dreamer dictate

Trump is enforcing the law as passed by congress per his sworn constitutional duty.

It is very dangerous precedent that Obama set, claiming that he had the authority to pick and choose which laws shall be and shall not be enforced

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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/5/2017 10:10:13 PM   
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I heard that the large number of homes flooded in Houston were mostly in the suburbs and were the result of lax or nonexistent zoning laws, so it is on the city zoning board that such a disaster resulted. That’s what I heard; not sure how true it is.


Houston doesnt have zoning laws, it has deed restrictions but only in the area/development if the builder set that up when he developed it. Most (or all?) deed restrictions are for a set number of years and to stay in force they need to be renewed, if they arent renewed then the restrictions no longer apply.. much of the burbs are planned communities which I expect do have deed restrictions on them when they were developed.. and HOAs tend to have restrictions on what ya can and cant do with your property..

As I stated (posted links) on another thread, basically, Houston was built on a friggin' swamp way back when.. so water/flooding/rains, etc have always been a problem.. and, certain parts of Harris County are sinking, as much as 2 inches per year.. some areas have sunk 10-12 feet since 1920... plus its clay soil here (which sucks big time).. and (as I understand it) in the past, the city govt has taken some money that was supposed to go to flood control and spent it elsewhere..

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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/5/2017 10:18:32 PM   
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This was what Trump promises.

No more protecting illegal immigrants. Good job!

I feel like we all live in different universe. In Asia, no undocumented immigrant, child or not will be tolerated. They all get deported. Or jailed.

Whenever my country jails illegals trying to get in. We are damn happy about it! It's like, who gave them the right to enter our country without official permission. Like a proper passport like a normal tourist. Or not respect the country laws and stay beyond their permitted period.

I never understood why people defend illegal immigrants. It's a crime. It's literally a crime.

This whole, "Country without Borders" is bullshit. Every country is different and in trying to preserve our uniqueness, we need borders to choose who we allow in or out.

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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/6/2017 6:32:39 AM   
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This was what Trump promises.

No more protecting illegal immigrants. Good job!

I feel like we all live in different universe. In Asia, no undocumented immigrant, child or not will be tolerated. They all get deported. Or jailed.

Whenever my country jails illegals trying to get in. We are damn happy about it! It's like, who gave them the right to enter our country without official permission. Like a proper passport like a normal tourist. Or not respect the country laws and stay beyond their permitted period.

I never understood why people defend illegal immigrants. It's a crime. It's literally a crime.

This whole, "Country without Borders" is bullshit. Every country is different and in trying to preserve our uniqueness, we need borders to choose who we allow in or out.

Reasons why we should protect the DACA immigrants:
• they are human beings just like the rest of us
• they committed no crimes
• it is a Christian precept that the crimes of the parents should not be visited upon the children
• on average they were only about six years old when they were brought here
• we have paid good taxpayer money to educate them and it would be just absolutely foolish to have another country benefit from their talents and from our expenditures
• our population replacement by natural birth is lagging at 1.5 per couple I think
• our legal immigration apparatus is flawed and very slow
• we need talented and educated immigrants to support the growth of our economy
• finally, it is the decent thing to do


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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/6/2017 7:08:18 AM   
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It's not a good situation from any angle, but Trump didn't bring them here, or invite their parents to. The blame for the situation faced by the dreamers lies on their parents who understood they were committing a criminal act. Maybe the dreamers shouldn't have to pay for the sins of their fathers, but neither should American citizens.

The LAW says deport them
Law that everyone agreed on and passed through the House and the Senate and signed by a president.
If that should not be the LAW, then it really needs to be done properly - not ignored or repealed through make-believe pretend methods by a rogue president (the dumbest, most incompetent ever).

Well, yeah. It's okay for one President to change the way the law applies, but not okay for another President to change the way a law was changed to apply.
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And Mexico's LAWS are far harsher btw, and they are enforced (those racist bastards)

Their laws are immaterial to how we make laws here.

You are an idiot.
Presidents are sworn to uphold the law, they do not write law. Obama unconstitutionally wrote law with his Dreamer dictate
Trump is enforcing the law as passed by congress per his sworn constitutional duty.
It is very dangerous precedent that Obama set, claiming that he had the authority to pick and choose which laws shall be and shall not be enforced


And, you're a dumbfuck for not comprehending that I wasn't opposing what you said. President Obama changed the way immigration laws are applied, regarding "Dreamers." Now, the Left and pro-illegal immigration idiots are howling that the next President is changing the way immigration laws are applied (almost reverting back to the original law). You might have had a clue with the "" emoji.

But, you can continue to troll along without understanding what others post.


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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/6/2017 7:14:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		• they are human beings just like the rest of us
Every criminal is a human being like us, even Hitler is human.
• they committed no crimes
Illegal immigration IS a CRIME!
• it is a Christian precept that the crimes of the parents should not be visited upon the children
When a parent illegally smuggle their child into another country, the correct thing to do is send the child back to the country they come from, where they belong.
• on average they were only about six years old when they were brought here
There are orphans in every country. I mean every country got their own needy children to take care of. So these kids can be taken care of by their home country.
• we have paid good taxpayer money to educate them and it would be just absolutely foolish to have another country benefit from their talents and from our expenditures
Not a good reason. Those that benefited in the past. Great! It's done and over with. It's about starting over, and setting the tone from here on. Why it is not okay to send your kids illegally over. As we will just send them right back.
• our population replacement by natural birth is lagging at 1.5 per couple I think
This could easily be fixed by promoting legal immigration.
• our legal immigration apparatus is flawed and very slow
So the problem is the legal immigration system needs a better upgrade. So focus on fixing it and making it better.
• we need talented and educated immigrants to support the growth of our economy
My country has more foreigners LEGALLY than local people. Like 3 million foreigners working here, and 2 million locals. Because we need talented and educated immigrants. But they are all LEGAL and went through proper channels. That's the point. US can have those talented foreigners through legal way.
• finally, it is the decent thing to do
I don't think it has anything to do with decent or indecent. They came in illegally, they need to go back out and come back legally. That's all.

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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/6/2017 7:18:15 AM   
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Reasons why we should protect the DACA immigrants:
• they are human beings just like the rest of us
• they committed no crimes
• it is a Christian precept that the crimes of the parents should not be visited upon the children
• on average they were only about six years old when they were brought here
• we have paid good taxpayer money to educate them and it would be just absolutely foolish to have another country benefit from their talents and from our expenditures
• our population replacement by natural birth is lagging at 1.5 per couple I think
• our legal immigration apparatus is flawed and very slow
• we need talented and educated immigrants to support the growth of our economy
• finally, it is the decent thing to do


They are here illegally. Fuck the bullshit about "Christian precepts" unless you are willing to apply that same idea across the board. Be careful how you respond to that one. It doesn't matter how old they were when they got here. They are here illegally. It doesn't matter what our population growth rate is.

Our immigration apparatus IS flawed and we DO need talented and educated immigrants to help support the growth of our economy. But, we still have laws, don't we? We can't just ignore the laws we don't like, can we? Very few (might not even be any) in Congress disagrees that our immigration apparatus is flawed. I say we fix the immigration apparatus rather than just ignore it. I say we fix our immigration apparatus so it's easier to get talented immigrants in (they can get an education here if need be).

Laws aren't about "decency." Decency would have been the "Dreamers'" parents not coming here illegally. Decency would be fore them to come here by legal means. Decency would be respecting our laws.

Decency is applying laws objectively, not subjectively. THAT is a recipe for abuse.


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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/6/2017 12:36:49 PM   
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Congress now has 6 months to legalize DACA (something the Obama Administration was unable to do). If they can't, I will revisit this issue!
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What does that mean? And I was watching the BBC this afternoon and they were talking about the filth from the EU with a nice video of them picking fruit in our fields like the human scum that they are.


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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/6/2017 2:42:32 PM   
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They are here illegally. Fuck the bullshit about "Christian precepts" unless you are willing to apply that same idea across the board. Be careful how you respond to that one. It doesn't matter how old they were when they got here. They are here illegally. It doesn't matter what our population growth rate is.


Of course, age matters. It is a well-established principle in our jurisprudence. Otherwise, why do we have juvenile detention centers for young offenders rather than sending them to the big boys’ jail? And especially we do not hold a child of six years to have agency under our jurisprudence. If a child at that age were to take a loaded gun from his parents dresser and mortally wound his brother, would you demand the death penalty for that child? Would you even demand a sentence in jail for that child? I doubt that you would. Saying that age does not matter is one of the silliest thing I have seen on these boards.

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We can't just ignore the laws we don't like, can we?


President Obama did not ignore the law. He took action despite it. Blind obedience to a law that you don’t like is cowardly behavior. We are not a nation of robots running on algorithms. That was well demonstrated by the slavery abolitionists, by the women’s protests for franchise, college students who rode buses into the South, and it will be demonstrated by the students who are affected in this latest sham.

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Decency is applying laws objectively, not subjectively.


What a terrible idea! What need do we have of judges if they cannot mitigate the harshness of laws? Jurisprudence without mercy is a bloodless cold dead fish. It inevitably deprives us of fairness, of equal protection. A primary example are the bail bond laws which deprive the poor of freedom without a trial, but that the rich free.


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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/6/2017 2:49:12 PM   
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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/6/2017 2:55:03 PM   
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Illegal immigration IS a CRIME!


A minor one.

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When a parent illegally smuggle their child into another country, the correct thing to do is send the child back to the country they come from, where they belong.


After 20 years? I don’t think so. . No longer belong in the birth country.

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Not a good reason. Those that benefited in the past. Great! It's done and over with. It's about starting over, and setting the tone from here on. Why it is not okay to send your kids illegally over. As we will just send them right back.


I believe this only apply to children were brought over here before a certain date; it is not an ongoing thing for children newly brought to this country lately.

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My country has more foreigners LEGALLY than local people. Like 3 million foreigners working here, and 2 million locals.


Your country does not have an 1800 mile border with a poor country to the south and a 3000 mile border with a fairly affluent nation to the north. So apples and oranges.

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I don't think it has anything to do with decent or indecent. They came in illegally, they need to go back out and come back legally. That's all.


Not as simple as you would think at first glance. Now they are adults in a foreign culture in a nation whose language they do not speak. How are they supposed to make a living while they wait for years to get back into the United States?

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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/6/2017 3:04:32 PM   
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Not as simple as you would think at first glance. Now they are adults in a foreign culture in a nation whose language they do not speak. How are they supposed to make a living while they wait for years to get back into the United States?


I'm thinking language would not be an issue for most since their parents likely continued to use their home country language in their homes here. The vast majority of dreamers are likely to be fluently bilingual.


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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/6/2017 3:07:14 PM   
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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/6/2017 3:29:28 PM   
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Thus nothing the government has spent money on should be undone.

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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/6/2017 3:32:48 PM   
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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/6/2017 3:38:50 PM   
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Bless your heart. Are you a "christian" by any chance?



Yep, a 'suffer little children' one. Clear as crystal.

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RE: US scraps young undocumented immigrants scheme - 9/6/2017 3:52:52 PM   
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Not as simple as you would think at first glance. Now they are adults in a foreign culture in a nation whose language they do not speak. How are they supposed to make a living while they wait for years to get back into the United States?


I'm thinking language would not be an issue for most since their parents likely continued to use their home country language in their homes here. The vast majority of dreamers are likely to be fluently bilingual.



Not true. As a language and ESL teacher who deals with these students daily, I can tell you that while they may have retained enough Spanish to orally communicate with family and within a limited community, they generally have no exposure to formal language, and limited to none exposure to reading nor writing in Spanish.

It is not unusual for the native language to die out completely in immigrant families by the third generation.

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