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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 6:48:59 AM   
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I'm still not understanding why the concrete build of Florida isn't combined with the house on stilts build of NC's Outer Banks...

Seems like that would be the style of building that could survive both the storm surge and high winds of a Category 5...




The Keys are essentially sand bars. A big heavy concrete house atop stilts set into sand probably wouldn't hold up in a big wind. Might withstand a storm surge better depending on the height of the water and if it stayed up through the wind, but you could rebuild three times for the added expenses that sort of construction would add.




The keys are basically coral islands, it is the only living reef system in the continental US, which is why all the beaches are man made.

The 'sandbar' islands are more along the lines of the barrier islands along the Georgia and Carolina coasts, which are actually moving, albeit slowly. Geologic evidence suggests (along with old nautical charts) these islands were further out in the past.

The barrier islands roll over, meaning the sand is blown from one side to the other, which is why there are a number of islands with 'ghost forests' or groves of trees that were smothered by sand at one time, and as the sand migrated, they are uncovered.

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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 6:53:16 AM   
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I'm still not understanding why the concrete build of Florida isn't combined with the house on stilts build of NC's Outer Banks...

Seems like that would be the style of building that could survive both the storm surge and high winds of a Category 5...




The Keys are essentially sand bars. A big heavy concrete house atop stilts set into sand probably wouldn't hold up in a big wind. Might withstand a storm surge better depending on the height of the water and if it stayed up through the wind, but you could rebuild three times for the added expenses that sort of construction would add.


Sorry, solid coral rock with a VERY thin layer of soil

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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 7:08:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Would it be possible to anchor something that was built downwards and mostly underwater, or wouldn't there be enough coral to shelter something like that from the sea stirring up as a storm passed over?

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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 7:31:39 AM   
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Would it be possible to anchor something that was built downwards and mostly underwater, or wouldn't there be enough coral to shelter something like that from the sea stirring up as a storm passed over?

When news comes out of the keys, we will figure out if the piling/concrete construction made it.

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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 7:57:41 AM   
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Would it be possible to anchor something that was built downwards and mostly underwater, or wouldn't there be enough coral to shelter something like that from the sea stirring up as a storm passed over?

When news comes out of the keys, we will figure out if the piling/concrete construction made it.

Good thinking. If the pilings held up, something built in the water would as well.

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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 9:10:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		They can actually use wooden piles (stilts) for people’s homes as opposed to concrete piles, and they rarely reach down to bedrock. New Orleans is being rebuilt on that ideal. But remember they suffered the double whammy of being battered by Katrina and the failure of the levees. You also have to factor in how the city's elevation averages 1-2 feet below sea level, and the city and land is also sinking.

https://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2016/0518/How-fast-is-New-Orleans-sinking-Faster-and-faster-says-new-study

There are some good documentaries on Youtube if you are interested on how the Dutch live with water, and you will also find some on the Thames Barrier. (The North Sea is prone too storm surges) London is also sinking but that is due to post glacial rebound.

Governments, Engineers and builders know every location I have mentioned are prone to flooding. The insurance companies for sure. It is really a matter of design and should they design for a 1 in 100 year storm, or the formidable 1 in 500 year storm, or the dreaded 1 in 1000 year storm?

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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 9:55:05 AM   
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Since the storm is scheduled to go up the West coast of Florida, it is going to be an interesting storm.
I am glad the storm has been downgraded to a CAT 3, hopefully Florida won't be battered as much.


I could never live right on the coast of Florida, those that choose to live in coastal cities and town,
surely understand they are at risk.

After seeing the devastation in the Caribbean, I no longer wish to live there!


So at one time you wanted to live in the Caribbean? I would not let an unusually strong hurricane deter me. For years I have wanted to have a modest home on one of the islands and will have that when I leave here but I wont live there all year long. And research is the key to finding a place with as much of the good things you look for and the least of the bad stuff. I dont see the Caribbean as being any greater risk than both coasts of the US. You just have to pick the right spot for you. I grew up on the prairie and its quite boring, too hot in the summer, too friggin cold in the winter, plus having to shovel it... I know many people want a place "right on the beach" but there are homes in California (along with the earthquake risk) that are falling off a cliff that is giving way and there are homes washed away on the east coast in severe storms... I would want something close enough to walk or ride a bike to but high enough to survive a hurricane and truly built to weather the storms.. Branson, his family & his employees rode out Irma in his concrete wine cellar on Necker Island.. I expect he will rebuild as that is where his home is, where he really lives.. I expect he will build it better/stronger this time tho.. Is Houston any better as a place to live? 3 serious major floods (& Harvey) in less than 3 years, I think not.. It seems many cities in North America just sprouted up without any regard to Mother Nature's dangers/risks... Vancouver (BC) has its risks as well but imo its the best place in Canada to live (beaches, decent weather, tons of parks, friendly, clean, good transit, laid back, skiing & mountains nearby)... Why live somewhere that you dont enjoy? I could never live in Toronto, not sure I would even want to visit that city.. Picking a place to live (forever?) isnt easy, the better the research & thought that goes into it, the better the outcome tho..

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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 11:30:57 AM   
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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 12:10:04 PM   
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I would want something close enough to walk or ride a bike to but high enough to survive a hurricane and truly built to weather the storms.. Branson, his family & his employees rode out Irma in his concrete wine cellar on Necker Island.. I expect he will rebuild as that is where his home is, where he really lives.. I expect he will build it better/stronger this time tho..


I wouldn’t think that Mr. Branson should be held up as an exemplar for what you have in mind. I think that building a hurricane safe home in the islands would be very expensive because it requires the import of skilled labor and materials. As far as I know concrete does not grow in the islands. If you want to live in the islands, fine, but start saving your loose change if you want to be safe from a cat 5 hurricane. Mercy Mercy!

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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 12:15:14 PM   
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They can actually use wooden piles (stilts) for people’s homes as opposed to concrete piles, and they rarely reach down to bedrock. New Orleans is being rebuilt on that ideal. But remember they suffered the double whammy of being battered by Katrina and the failure of the levees. You also have to factor in how the city's elevation averages 1-2 feet below sea level, and the city and land is also sinking.

https://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2016/0518/How-fast-is-New-Orleans-sinking-Faster-and-faster-says-new-study

There are some good documentaries on Youtube if you are interested on how the Dutch live with water, and you will also find some on the Thames Barrier. (The North Sea is prone too storm surges) London is also sinking but that is due to post glacial rebound.

Governments, Engineers and builders know every location I have mentioned are prone to flooding. The insurance companies for sure. It is really a matter of design and should they design for a 1 in 100 year storm, or the formidable 1 in 500 year storm, or the dreaded 1 in 1000 year storm?


Really very interesting information! Thank you so much. I had thought of Holland while I was writing earlier.

How about preparing for every two in 10 years or every two in five year major hurricanes if the future predictors are correct?


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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 12:16:01 PM   
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I would want something close enough to walk or ride a bike to but high enough to survive a hurricane and truly built to weather the storms.. Branson, his family & his employees rode out Irma in his concrete wine cellar on Necker Island.. I expect he will rebuild as that is where his home is, where he really lives.. I expect he will build it better/stronger this time tho..


I wouldn’t think that Mr. Branson should be held up as an exemplar for what you have in mind. I think that building a hurricane safe home in the islands would be very expensive because it requires the import of skilled labor and materials. As far as I know concrete does not grow in the islands. If you want to live in the islands, fine, but start saving your loose change if you want to be safe from a cat 5 hurricane. Mercy Mercy!

Concrete can be fairly easily made anywhere you have limestone.
Limestone is quite common in the Islands of the Carribean.

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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 12:20:12 PM   
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You must be a leftard

Anyone who really believes we never experienced hurricanes before Trump was elected president... Anyone who doesn't understand that we have had far below average hurricane activity for years and years now... Must be a leftard.

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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 12:22:57 PM   
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No one mentioned the hurricanes have only been bad since trump took over you thick dolt.
this is your own denial about climate change, you are such a loser.

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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 12:42:12 PM   
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You must be a leftard

Anyone who really believes we never experienced hurricanes before Trump was elected president... Anyone who doesn't understand that we have had far below average hurricane activity for years and years now... Must be a leftard.

Who's claiming that?
You keep coming out with this absurd lie, but who on here, or anywhere in the "liberal" media has made any such claim?
People were worried about climate change back when Nixon was the president.

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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 12:46:15 PM   
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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 12:50:56 PM   
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I posted a toon of the lack of belief in CLimate change and the denial of you righwing imbeciles.
No one mentioned the hurricanes have only been bad since trump took over you thick dolt.
this is your own denial about climate change, you are such a loser.


You are a moron

We have always had bad hurricanes

Always

Hurricane activity has been unusually low for many years now

The only climate change deniers are howlers like you who really believe that earth's climate never changed until Al Gore needed a get-rich-quick scheme.

The climate has always been in a constant state of change, no one denies that except the true believers like you, who try to claim it's something new

Its just never been politicized by leftists like this before now

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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 12:56:48 PM   
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Hurricane activity has been unusually low for many years now



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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 1:00:29 PM   
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I posted a toon of the lack of belief in CLimate change and the denial of you righwing imbeciles.
No one mentioned the hurricanes have only been bad since trump took over you thick dolt.
this is your own denial about climate change, you are such a loser.


You are a moron

We have always had bad hurricanes

Always

Hurricane activity has been unusually low for many years now

The only climate change deniers are howlers like you who really believe that earth's climate never changed until Al Gore needed a get-rich-quick scheme.

The climate has always been in a constant state of change, no one denies that except the true believers like you, who try to claim it's something new

Its just never been politicized by leftists like this before now

I never heard of gore util 88, but I was aware of human pollution and what it was doing to the world, since I was about ten, im sorry you are so clueless and ignorant and blind.
Its NOT new, stop trying to pretend it is.
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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 1:05:33 PM   
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But to Butch’s point, we are over 7 billion inhabitants of this planet, I wonder if there is any place on this planet where we can all go and be safe from nature’s forces. Let me know. LOL!

Earthquakes, tornadoes, dust storms, winter storms, hurricanes, volcanoes, floods and fires. Oh, where to go? Oh woe!


There is seriously zero natural disaster in my country. Totally safe here.

We may have flash flood occasionally from heavy rains, and when I say flood, I simply mean like ankle deep for maybe 2 hours that's it, but then all that problem is solved by having better drainage on the roads which they have fixed it to accommodate greater downpours.

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RE: Thoughts on Hurricane Irma - 9/12/2017 1:11:22 PM   
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