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If it's about a free lunch, then go to the wedding reception.

I wouldn't expect Jews to put Swastikas on anything. Buddhists, Hindus, and Jainists perhaps. Jews should certainly respect the rights of traditional religious imagery of other religions, and understand the usage.

then why should it be any different for christains baking cakes or servicing gays for anything but an emergency or something life threatening?

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If it's about a free lunch, then go to the wedding reception.

I wouldn't expect Jews to put Swastikas on anything. Buddhists, Hindus, and Jainists perhaps. Jews should certainly respect the rights of traditional religious imagery of other religions, and understand the usage.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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The first state to legalize gay marriage, thanks to the judiciary? Irony.

well if the US was not an established religion it would never have been outlawed in the first place ever think about that?

I don't wholly disagree. The religious beliefs of our lawmakers have colored the laws of the land since the beginning, and I don't think that's been entirely a bad thing, but our Judicial system is in place for balance.

Richard Nixon passed one of the absolute best and worst federal laws against child abuse and neglect we've ever had. Because two of his assistants were Christian Scientists, it has exemptions for religious beliefs, and States were required to adopt those exemptions themselves, to receive federal funding.

I believe that part of the law is likely unconstitutional, and endangers children because of their parents'
supposed religious beliefs. Any belief that undermines the sanctity of life has no place in the modern world.

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1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth.


2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral.


3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their "feelings" then they are with what is right for others.


4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe.


5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate.


6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses.


7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it.


8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior.


9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us.


10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel. Consider the following bible verses:


"But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

What is the religious penalty of taking part in such an event? A Lord's Prayer? Lighting a candle? Eighteen Hail Marys?

Would refusing to bake the cake not also have risks of violating Christian beliefs, as well as State law? "Love thy neighbor" and such?

And if there is no right answer, aren't Christians taught to pray for forgiveness on a daily basis anyway?

They are also taught not to think that asking forgiveness when you deliberately decide to consistently
are going to violate you believes is hypocritical.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Bounty, if you're going to use TownHall, maybe try making it relevant. Northern Ireland isn't bound by our Constitution. And an actor's opinion isn't a court decision.

Although I will gladly accept the words of Patrick Stewart as law in most cases.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

What is the religious penalty of taking part in such an event? A Lord's Prayer? Lighting a candle? Eighteen Hail Marys?

Would refusing to bake the cake not also have risks of violating Christian beliefs, as well as State law? "Love thy neighbor" and such?

And if there is no right answer, aren't Christians taught to pray for forgiveness on a daily basis anyway?

They are also taught not to think that asking forgiveness when you deliberately decide to consistently
are going to violate you believes is hypocritical.

Yet so many decisions create no-win situations. Pray for guidance, do the best you can, and then pray for forgiveness regardless.

Do you refuse to bake the cake because it's your place as a Christian to judge sexual immorality, or do you bake it joyfully, in the spirit of 'loving thy neighbor', with the faith that God will judge us all when it's time?

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something extra to tack onto your thoughts nnanji:

"Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians"

"look blinker, no townhall!"

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1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth.


2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral.


3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their "feelings" then they are with what is right for others.


4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe.


5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate.


6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses.


7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it.


8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior.


9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us.


10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel. Consider the following bible verses:


"But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/ten-reasons-why-liberals-hate-christians

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

The first state to legalize gay marriage, thanks to the judiciary? Irony.

well if the US was not an established religion it would never have been outlawed in the first place ever think about that?

I don't wholly disagree. The religious beliefs of our lawmakers have colored the laws of the land since the beginning, and I don't think that's been entirely a bad thing, but our Judicial system is in place for balance.

Richard Nixon passed one of the absolute best and worst federal laws against child abuse and neglect we've ever had. Because two of his assistants were Christian Scientists, it has exemptions for religious beliefs, and States were required to adopt those exemptions themselves, to receive federal funding.

I believe that part of the law is likely unconstitutional, and endangers children because of their parents'
supposed religious beliefs. Any belief that undermines the sanctity of life has no place in the modern world.

it has nothing to do with how modern you think the world is, and everything to do with your rights. You do not need a statute to get justice for wrongs, in other words you do not need a 'law' what so ever. You can sue without any statute what so ever and there is no difference. The next court uses that decision as precedent and so forth, statutes only give the state the ability to expand their power and preferential even prejudicial treatment on many levels.

Back to this gay cake business where does the state have the legitimate authority to say one word about someones religion much less regulate it or undermine the rights to religion using their commercial overlay? I dont recall the constitution making that exception do you?

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Damn it's good to see you posting again JVOV!

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

The first state to legalize gay marriage, thanks to the judiciary? Irony.

well if the US was not an established religion it would never have been outlawed in the first place ever think about that?

I don't wholly disagree. The religious beliefs of our lawmakers have colored the laws of the land since the beginning, and I don't think that's been entirely a bad thing, but our Judicial system is in place for balance.

Richard Nixon passed one of the absolute best and worst federal laws against child abuse and neglect we've ever had. Because two of his assistants were Christian Scientists, it has exemptions for religious beliefs, and States were required to adopt those exemptions themselves, to receive federal funding.

I believe that part of the law is likely unconstitutional, and endangers children because of their parents'
supposed religious beliefs. Any belief that undermines the sanctity of life has no place in the modern world.

it has nothing to do with how modern you think the world is, and everything to do with your rights. You do not need a statute to get justice for wrongs, in other words you do not need a 'law' what so ever. You can sue without any statute what so ever and there is no difference. The next court uses that decision as precedent and so forth, statutes only give the state the ability to expand their power and preferential even prejudicial treatment on many levels.

Back to this gay cake business where does the state have the legitimate authority to say one word about someones religion much less regulate it or undermine the rights to religion using their commercial overlay? I dont recall the constitution making that exception do you?

There has yet to be any scripture presented to prove a religious belief being violated. Since The New Testament is the Holy Book of the Christian Faith, its beliefs and requirements should be laid out quite clearly where this matter is concerned.

And I believe it is.

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

What is the religious penalty of taking part in such an event? A Lord's Prayer? Lighting a candle? Eighteen Hail Marys?

Would refusing to bake the cake not also have risks of violating Christian beliefs, as well as State law? "Love thy neighbor" and such?

And if there is no right answer, aren't Christians taught to pray for forgiveness on a daily basis anyway?

They are also taught not to think that asking forgiveness when you deliberately decide to consistently
are going to violate you believes is hypocritical.

Yet so many decisions create no-win situations. Pray for guidance, do the best you can, and then pray for forgiveness regardless.

Do you refuse to bake the cake because it's your place as a Christian to judge sexual immorality, or do you bake it joyfully, in the spirit of 'loving thy neighbor', with the faith that God will judge us all when it's time?

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

The first state to legalize gay marriage, thanks to the judiciary? Irony.

well if the US was not an established religion it would never have been outlawed in the first place ever think about that?

I don't wholly disagree. The religious beliefs of our lawmakers have colored the laws of the land since the beginning, and I don't think that's been entirely a bad thing, but our Judicial system is in place for balance.

Richard Nixon passed one of the absolute best and worst federal laws against child abuse and neglect we've ever had. Because two of his assistants were Christian Scientists, it has exemptions for religious beliefs, and States were required to adopt those exemptions themselves, to receive federal funding.

I believe that part of the law is likely unconstitutional, and endangers children because of their parents'
supposed religious beliefs. Any belief that undermines the sanctity of life has no place in the modern world.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

So should gay bakers be forced to bake a cake that says 'Gays are the evil spawn of satan', or cater any party advocating the same?

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

something extra to tack onto your thoughts nnanji:

"Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians"

"look blinker, no townhall!"

quote:


1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth.


2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral.


3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their "feelings" then they are with what is right for others.


4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe.


5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate.


6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses.


7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it.


8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior.


9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us.


10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel. Consider the following bible verses:


"But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/ten-reasons-why-liberals-hate-christians

Seriously?

Because there are no Christians that are liberals.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

What is the religious penalty of taking part in such an event? A Lord's Prayer? Lighting a candle? Eighteen Hail Marys?

Would refusing to bake the cake not also have risks of violating Christian beliefs, as well as State law? "Love thy neighbor" and such?

And if there is no right answer, aren't Christians taught to pray for forgiveness on a daily basis anyway?

They are also taught not to think that asking forgiveness when you deliberately decide to consistently
are going to violate you believes is hypocritical.

Yet so many decisions create no-win situations. Pray for guidance, do the best you can, and then pray for forgiveness regardless.

Do you refuse to bake the cake because it's your place as a Christian to judge sexual immorality, or do you bake it joyfully, in the spirit of 'loving thy neighbor', with the faith that God will judge us all when it's time?

So unlike other people (nobody complain when Moslem refuse to do a gay wedding) Christians should not only violate their beliefs but
should do so cheerfully. The point is that any law that demands the violate their beliefs is wrong.