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Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple?

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BamaD -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 4:43:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne So should gay bakers be forced to bake a cake that says 'Gays are the evil spawn of satan', or cater any party advocating the same? Writing is totally different than baking & applying the icing. Something like that can be done with a $2 bottle of frosting. So no, it's offensive, and invokes Satan. And most bakeries would flat out refuse any such thing. I'm not saying that there isn't a step in the process of preparing the cake that may have been over the limits. But that step could have been left undone. And since we've had this thread before, I can cite the same example I did so long ago. A bakery may not have a suitable cake topper for a same-sex wedding cake. I don't believe they should be forced to. The couple can order it online and put it on at the reception. But there is no religious significance given to cake in the Bible. What a baker, or any artistic activity does or does not offer is none of the governments business.

BamaD -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 4:45:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV What is the religious penalty of taking part in such an event? A Lord's Prayer? Lighting a candle? Eighteen Hail Marys? Would refusing to bake the cake not also have risks of violating Christian beliefs, as well as State law? "Love thy neighbor" and such? And if there is no right answer, aren't Christians taught to pray for forgiveness on a daily basis anyway? They are also taught not to think that asking forgiveness when you deliberately decide to consistently are going to violate you believes is hypocritical. Yet so many decisions create no-win situations. Pray for guidance, do the best you can, and then pray for forgiveness regardless. Do you refuse to bake the cake because it's your place as a Christian to judge sexual immorality, or do you bake it joyfully, in the spirit of 'loving thy neighbor', with the faith that God will judge us all when it's time? So unlike other people (nobody complain when Moslem refuse to do a gay wedding) Christians should not only violate their beliefs but should do so cheerfully. The point is that any law that demands the violate their beliefs is wrong. If you can't prove a belief with the holiest book of your faith, then I don't see how you can show your religious beliefs have been violated in any way. Your beliefs are your beliefs.

tamaka -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 4:50:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV What is the religious penalty of taking part in such an event? A Lord's Prayer? Lighting a candle? Eighteen Hail Marys? Would refusing to bake the cake not also have risks of violating Christian beliefs, as well as State law? "Love thy neighbor" and such? And if there is no right answer, aren't Christians taught to pray for forgiveness on a daily basis anyway? They are also taught not to think that asking forgiveness when you deliberately decide to consistently are going to violate you believes is hypocritical. Yet so many decisions create no-win situations. Pray for guidance, do the best you can, and then pray for forgiveness regardless. Do you refuse to bake the cake because it's your place as a Christian to judge sexual immorality, or do you bake it joyfully, in the spirit of 'loving thy neighbor', with the faith that God will judge us all when it's time? Whichever you choose, it is each individual's personal decision to make.

Real0ne -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 4:52:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne So should gay bakers be forced to bake a cake that says 'Gays are the evil spawn of satan', or cater any party advocating the same? Writing is totally different than baking & applying the icing. Something like that can be done with a $2 bottle of frosting. So no, it's offensive, and invokes Satan. And most bakeries would flat out refuse any such thing. I'm not saying that there isn't a step in the process of preparing the cake that may have been over the limits. But that step could have been left undone. And since we've had this thread before, I can cite the same example I did so long ago. A bakery may not have a suitable cake topper for a same-sex wedding cake. I don't believe they should be forced to. The couple can order it online and put it on at the reception. But there is no religious significance given to cake in the Bible. well then the gay baker would be in violation of US commercial law, which is violation of the constitution. Again you seem to think that ones religion must come from an instruction manual. Granted Christians depend heavily on the bible which in fact does define marriage which excludes gays, so I have no idea where you are getting your information from? Jesus defines marriage in Matthew 19:4–6 and Mark 10:6–9 using both Genesis 1:26–27 and Genesis 2:24 to parse it out. Jesus defines and affirms marriage as between a man and a woman, a reflection of the fact that God made us male and female, same-sex marriage is excluded, by definition. "From the beginning of creation, God made them male and female. For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh..." (Mark 10:6-8, quoting Genesis 2:24). You miss the whole point however. A christian performing those acts places themselves as an accessory to the commission of a sin, that is why involvement is condemned. As you can see that pendulum swings both ways, you dont want to provide cakes saying gays are the scum of the earth because it runs contrary to your religion, and christians want to obey their God and do not want to be party to the commission of sin.

Nnanji -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 4:58:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 something extra to tack onto your thoughts nnanji: "Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians" "look blinker, no townhall!" quote: 1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth. 2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral. 3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their "feelings" then they are with what is right for others. 4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe. 5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate. 6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses. 7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it. 8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior. 9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us. 10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel. Consider the following bible verses: "But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14 http://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/ten-reasons-why-liberals-hate-christians Seriously? Because there are no Christians that are liberals. [8\|] Oh way to have a discussion, as you always say you want to do.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 5:04:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 something extra to tack onto your thoughts nnanji: "Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians" look blinker, no townhall! quote: 1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth. 2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral. 3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their "feelings" then they are with what is right for others. 4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe. 5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate. 6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses. 7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it. 8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior. 9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us. 10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel. Consider the following bible verses: "But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14 http://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/ten-reasons-why-liberals-hate-christians I seem to remember you calling the Pope a liberal once. Does that mean he isn't a Christian?

Real0ne -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 5:06:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV What is the religious penalty of taking part in such an event? A Lord's Prayer? Lighting a candle? Eighteen Hail Marys? Would refusing to bake the cake not also have risks of violating Christian beliefs, as well as State law? "Love thy neighbor" and such? And if there is no right answer, aren't Christians taught to pray for forgiveness on a daily basis anyway? They are also taught not to think that asking forgiveness when you deliberately decide to consistently are going to violate you believes is hypocritical. Yet so many decisions create no-win situations. Pray for guidance, do the best you can, and then pray for forgiveness regardless. Do you refuse to bake the cake because it's your place as a Christian to judge sexual immorality, or do you bake it joyfully, in the spirit of 'loving thy neighbor', with the faith that God will judge us all when it's time? So unlike other people (nobody complain when Moslem refuse to do a gay wedding) Christians should not only violate their beliefs but should do so cheerfully. The point is that any law that demands the violate their beliefs is wrong. If you can't prove a belief with the holiest book of your faith, then I don't see how you can show your religious beliefs have been violated in any way. Once again, you seem to think religion comes with an instruction manual. There is a reason the constitution says what it does about religion. You dont want to bake a cake for a christian that says 'gays are satans spawn' because it runs contrary to your religion, and what manual can you place in the court to express your religious position. That is by the way the context in which magnificent magnanimous scrotumus maximus passed gay marriage. [;)]

JVoV -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 5:15:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV The first state to legalize gay marriage, thanks to the judiciary? Irony. well if the US was not an established religion it would never have been outlawed in the first place ever think about that? I don't wholly disagree. The religious beliefs of our lawmakers have colored the laws of the land since the beginning, and I don't think that's been entirely a bad thing, but our Judicial system is in place for balance. Richard Nixon passed one of the absolute best and worst federal laws against child abuse and neglect we've ever had. Because two of his assistants were Christian Scientists, it has exemptions for religious beliefs, and States were required to adopt those exemptions themselves, to receive federal funding. I believe that part of the law is likely unconstitutional, and endangers children because of their parents' supposed religious beliefs. Any belief that undermines the sanctity of life has no place in the modern world. So you are against abortion then. On a personal level, very much so, except in rather extreme cases. I think it's unacceptable to be used as a basic form of birth control. Which is why I've decided that if I ever get pregnant, I'm keeping the baby. I don't believe that abortion can be criminalized again, because the sanctity of a would-be mother's life matters too. Whenever possible, adoption should be presented as a solution. Our education system is criminally neglectful of their responsibility to teach safer sex practices. And the cost of condoms is just too damn high.

JVoV -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 5:28:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV What is the religious penalty of taking part in such an event? A Lord's Prayer? Lighting a candle? Eighteen Hail Marys? Would refusing to bake the cake not also have risks of violating Christian beliefs, as well as State law? "Love thy neighbor" and such? And if there is no right answer, aren't Christians taught to pray for forgiveness on a daily basis anyway? They are also taught not to think that asking forgiveness when you deliberately decide to consistently are going to violate you believes is hypocritical. Yet so many decisions create no-win situations. Pray for guidance, do the best you can, and then pray for forgiveness regardless. Do you refuse to bake the cake because it's your place as a Christian to judge sexual immorality, or do you bake it joyfully, in the spirit of 'loving thy neighbor', with the faith that God will judge us all when it's time? if you do the latter, there are people in the church who would/should understand that position. if you do the former, there are people in the world (as opposed to the church) who SHOULD understand it---but they don't. I might have mentioned this before somewhere here---I used to love the tv show everwood and in one of the better episodes, one of the doctor's young patients got pregnant and wanted an abortion. she was going to travel to a far away city to get it but the doctor, who was a staunch catholic and pro-life, decided since she was his patient, he would do the procedure. if I remember rightly, the episode ends with his walking down the aisle in a church heading towards the confessional. So you agree that the case is not so clear-cut. So if Christians are divided by what to do, the decision will likely stand. It was a bad decision for the backing groups to take this case. A generic Christian has less of a standing with religious beliefs on this issue than Catholics and other religions. But now the case will be decided for all religious beliefs, based on what will be presented to the court. With Justice Kennedy likely being the deciding vote. I am willing to bet you a shiny new quarter that it goes in favor of gay cakes.

JVoV -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 5:35:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV What is the religious penalty of taking part in such an event? A Lord's Prayer? Lighting a candle? Eighteen Hail Marys? Would refusing to bake the cake not also have risks of violating Christian beliefs, as well as State law? "Love thy neighbor" and such? And if there is no right answer, aren't Christians taught to pray for forgiveness on a daily basis anyway? They are also taught not to think that asking forgiveness when you deliberately decide to consistently are going to violate you believes is hypocritical. Yet so many decisions create no-win situations. Pray for guidance, do the best you can, and then pray for forgiveness regardless. Do you refuse to bake the cake because it's your place as a Christian to judge sexual immorality, or do you bake it joyfully, in the spirit of 'loving thy neighbor', with the faith that God will judge us all when it's time? So unlike other people (nobody complain when Moslem refuse to do a gay wedding) Christians should not only violate their beliefs but should do so cheerfully. The point is that any law that demands the violate their beliefs is wrong. If you can't prove a belief with the holiest book of your faith, then I don't see how you can show your religious beliefs have been violated in any way. Once again, you seem to think religion comes with an instruction manual. There is a reason the constitution says what it does about religion. You dont want to bake a cake for a christian that says 'gays are satans spawn' because it runs contrary to your religion, and what manual can you place in the court to express your religious position. That is by the way the context in which magnificent magnanimous scrotumus maximus passed gay marriage. [;)] See, I never said I wouldn't bake the cake. Or add the sweet buttercream icing, maybe some pretty roses. But as you see from the pictures in our book, customized writing options on any cake can only include "Happy Birthday", "Congratulations", and "Happy Anniversary", with your choice of names added.

Nnanji -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 5:47:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV What is the religious penalty of taking part in such an event? A Lord's Prayer? Lighting a candle? Eighteen Hail Marys? Would refusing to bake the cake not also have risks of violating Christian beliefs, as well as State law? "Love thy neighbor" and such? And if there is no right answer, aren't Christians taught to pray for forgiveness on a daily basis anyway? They are also taught not to think that asking forgiveness when you deliberately decide to consistently are going to violate you believes is hypocritical. Yet so many decisions create no-win situations. Pray for guidance, do the best you can, and then pray for forgiveness regardless. Do you refuse to bake the cake because it's your place as a Christian to judge sexual immorality, or do you bake it joyfully, in the spirit of 'loving thy neighbor', with the faith that God will judge us all when it's time? So unlike other people (nobody complain when Moslem refuse to do a gay wedding) Christians should not only violate their beliefs but should do so cheerfully. The point is that any law that demands the violate their beliefs is wrong. If you can't prove a belief with the holiest book of your faith, then I don't see how you can show your religious beliefs have been violated in any way. Once again, you seem to think religion comes with an instruction manual. There is a reason the constitution says what it does about religion. You dont want to bake a cake for a christian that says 'gays are satans spawn' because it runs contrary to your religion, and what manual can you place in the court to express your religious position. That is by the way the context in which magnificent magnanimous scrotumus maximus passed gay marriage. [;)] See, I never said I wouldn't bake the cake. Or add the sweet buttercream icing, maybe some pretty roses. But as you see from the pictures in our book, customized writing options on any cake can only include "Happy Birthday", "Congratulations", and "Happy Anniversary", with your choice of names added. Lol

Wayward5oul -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 6:21:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 something extra to tack onto your thoughts nnanji: "Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians" "look blinker, no townhall!" quote: 1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth. 2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral. 3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their "feelings" then they are with what is right for others. 4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe. 5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate. 6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses. 7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it. 8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior. 9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us. 10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel. Consider the following bible verses: "But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14 http://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/ten-reasons-why-liberals-hate-christians Seriously? Because there are no Christians that are liberals. [8\|] Oh way to have a discussion, as you always say you want to do. Nope, never said that. Now go troll someone else.

Real0ne -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 6:23:21 PM)
my point of course being that there are rights at stake, and no one to date has been able to show me any exceptions what so ever for da gubmint to regulate even a little bit religion, speech, arms, privacy, or keep the fact that a jury has the both the right and authority to not only try the facts, but also judge the law, and throw out even supreme court decisions by acquittal, one of the best kept judicial secrets in their negligence to properly inform jurys of their duty to their fellow man and country,.

Wayward5oul -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 6:26:57 PM)
quote: Which is why I've decided that if I ever get pregnant, I'm keeping the baby. [sm=LMAO.gif]

tamaka -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 6:29:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne my point of course being that there are rights at stake, and no one to date has been able to show me any exceptions what so ever for da gubmint to regulate even a little bit religion, speech, arms, privacy, or keep the fact that a jury has the both the right and authority to not only try the facts, but also judge the law, and throw out even supreme court decisions by acquittal, one of the best kept judicial secrets in their negligence to properly inform jurys of their duty to their fellow man and country,. Doesn't the government regulate religion by not allowing plural marriage?

Nnanji -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 6:45:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 something extra to tack onto your thoughts nnanji: "Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians" "look blinker, no townhall!" quote: 1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth. 2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral. 3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their "feelings" then they are with what is right for others. 4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe. 5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate. 6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses. 7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it. 8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior. 9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us. 10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel. Consider the following bible verses: "But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14 http://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/ten-reasons-why-liberals-hate-christians Seriously? Because there are no Christians that are liberals. [8\|] Oh way to have a discussion, as you always say you want to do. Nope, never said that. Now go troll someone else. Well, you are a liar, you just want to sound all sensible. I think you said this yesterday, or the day before whenever was the last time we chatted. quote: And I had a genuine interest in what you might have provided to the discussion, so that I could compare it to what I am hearing locally about our projects and explore the differences. But since you seem more interested in handing out snark to everyone rather than actually discussing the topic, I don't really care else you have to say about it now. (in reply to Nnanji) In which conversation you also lied.

JVoV -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 6:54:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne my point of course being that there are rights at stake, and no one to date has been able to show me any exceptions what so ever for da gubmint to regulate even a little bit religion, speech, arms, privacy, or keep the fact that a jury has the both the right and authority to not only try the facts, but also judge the law, and throw out even supreme court decisions by acquittal, one of the best kept judicial secrets in their negligence to properly inform jurys of their duty to their fellow man and country,. You seem comfortable breaking the Eighth Commandment. "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour". You're willing to lie about your religious beliefs, citing an established religion, which says nothing about requiring abstinence from such events, or risking your immortal soul. It's the abuses of people who claim religious superiority that makes religion so evil.

tamaka -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 6:56:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne my point of course being that there are rights at stake, and no one to date has been able to show me any exceptions what so ever for da gubmint to regulate even a little bit religion, speech, arms, privacy, or keep the fact that a jury has the both the right and authority to not only try the facts, but also judge the law, and throw out even supreme court decisions by acquittal, one of the best kept judicial secrets in their negligence to properly inform jurys of their duty to their fellow man and country,. You seem comfortable breaking the Eighth Commandment. "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour". You're willing to lie about your religious beliefs, citing an established religion, which says nothing about requiring abstinence from such events, or risking your immortal soul. It's the abuses of people who claim religious superiority that makes religion so evil. You evidently missed the verse i quoted from Ephesians.

Wayward5oul -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 7:05:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 something extra to tack onto your thoughts nnanji: "Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians" "look blinker, no townhall!" quote: 1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth. 2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral. 3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their "feelings" then they are with what is right for others. 4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe. 5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate. 6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses. 7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it. 8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior. 9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us. 10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel. Consider the following bible verses: "But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14 http://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/ten-reasons-why-liberals-hate-christians Seriously? Because there are no Christians that are liberals. [8\|] Oh way to have a discussion, as you always say you want to do. Nope, never said that. Now go troll someone else. Well, you are a liar, you just want to sound all sensible. I think you said this yesterday, or the day before whenever was the last time we chatted. quote: And I had a genuine interest in what you might have provided to the discussion, so that I could compare it to what I am hearing locally about our projects and explore the differences. But since you seem more interested in handing out snark to everyone rather than actually discussing the topic, I don't really care else you have to say about it now. (in reply to Nnanji) In which conversation you also lied. Nope, you said that I said I always wanted to have a discussion. Never said that. The fact that I tried, and failed, to have one with you at one time does not mean that I always do. Sometimes I just make comments. I did not lie. Either time.

Nnanji -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 7:15:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 something extra to tack onto your thoughts nnanji: "Ten Reasons Why Liberals Hate Christians" "look blinker, no townhall!" quote: 1) Liberals are relativists and hate Christians because Christians believe in absolute truth. 2) Liberals do not want anyone to say that immorality is immoral. 3) Liberals are selfish and are more interested in their "feelings" then they are with what is right for others. 4) Liberals misunderstand what Christians really believe. 5) Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate. 6) Liberals do not want to listen to what makes sense, they would rather listen to their senses. 7) Liberals ignore the clear evidence of the result of their philosophical positions influence on the last 40 years. It had been a social disaster and they do not want to hear it. 8) They see Christians as intellectually inferior. 9) Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us. 10) Liberals are spiritually lost and blind to the truth of the gospel. Consider the following bible verses: "But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14 http://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/ten-reasons-why-liberals-hate-christians Seriously? Because there are no Christians that are liberals. [8\|] Oh way to have a discussion, as you always say you want to do. Nope, never said that. Now go troll someone else. Well, you are a liar, you just want to sound all sensible. I think you said this yesterday, or the day before whenever was the last time we chatted. quote: And I had a genuine interest in what you might have provided to the discussion, so that I could compare it to what I am hearing locally about our projects and explore the differences. But since you seem more interested in handing out snark to everyone rather than actually discussing the topic, I don't really care else you have to say about it now. (in reply to Nnanji) In which conversation you also lied. Nope, you said that I said I always wanted to have a discussion. Never said that. The fact that I tried, and failed, to have one with you at one time does not mean that I always do. Sometimes I just make comments. I did not lie. Either time. Lol, troll someone else.

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