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ORIGINAL: MercTech

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Some people use clip to describe a stripper clip as opposed to a self contained detachable magazine.
Others I am inclined to be one of them use clip for anything detachable.

Anything detachable that can feed ammunition is a magazine.
A clip is for organizing ammo storage for ease of loading into magazines.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

incredible someone dies because they dont drop their "weapon" but cops can be exonerated by saying they were afraid for their lives.
Training is obviously what they need, not excuses.

I agree Lucy, and I have read many of the responses/and thoughts of many people here, and dozens of comments on that article from the DM.
I understand how serious it is to reach for a magazine, etc.

But the suspect appeared so dazed and non-threatening, I can't fathom the last 3-4 shots.
Especially from someone who did not appear to have a weapon, was not reaching for anything, and was saying "no no no".
Very unsettling for me, which is why I usually don't watch these videos.

I quit hunting with an automatic rifle because of this incident.
I was hunting with a automatic rifle.
I shot something, stopped to let it fall.
Nothing happened I fired again, and stopped to let it fall.
Still no reaction.
I fired a 3rd time and waited for it to fall.
I couldn't believe I had missed 3 times.
I fired a 4th time and it fell down.
The person next to me said wow that thing shoots fast.
We checked the game.
It had four hits all of which were clean quick kills.
To me it took about 30-40 seconds to fire those for rounds.
In reality it took no more than 5.
Good chance he fired the 7th before they reacted to the first.
.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

incredible someone dies because they dont drop their "weapon" but cops can be exonerated by saying they were afraid for their lives.
Training is obviously what they need, not excuses.

I agree Lucy, and I have read many of the responses/and thoughts of many people here, and dozens of comments on that article from the DM.
I understand how serious it is to reach for a magazine, etc.

But the suspect appeared so dazed and non-threatening, I can't fathom the last 3-4 shots.
Especially from someone who did not appear to have a weapon, was not reaching for anything, and was saying "no no no".
Very unsettling for me, which is why I usually don't watch these videos.

I quit hunting with an automatic rifle because of this incident.
I was hunting with a automatic rifle.
I shot something, stopped to let it fall.
Nothing happened I fired again, and stopped to let it fall.
Still no reaction.
I fired a 3rd time and waited for it to fall.
I couldn't believe I had missed 3 times.
I fired a 4th time and it fell down.
The person next to me said wow that thing shoots fast.
We checked the game.
It had four hits all of which were clean quick kills.
To me it took about 30-40 seconds to fire those for rounds.
In reality it took no more than 5.
Good chance he fired the 7th before they reacted to the first.
.

nope you could see that guy jolt when he was hit the first time, there was no threat to rambo, rambo plugged him full of holes for one simple reason, dead men cant sue or fight back in court.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

incredible someone dies because they dont drop their "weapon" but cops can be exonerated by saying they were afraid for their lives.
Training is obviously what they need, not excuses.

I agree Lucy, and I have read many of the responses/and thoughts of many people here, and dozens of comments on that article from the DM.
I understand how serious it is to reach for a magazine, etc.

But the suspect appeared so dazed and non-threatening, I can't fathom the last 3-4 shots.
Especially from someone who did not appear to have a weapon, was not reaching for anything, and was saying "no no no".
Very unsettling for me, which is why I usually don't watch these videos.

I quit hunting with an automatic rifle because of this incident.
I was hunting with a automatic rifle.
I shot something, stopped to let it fall.
Nothing happened I fired again, and stopped to let it fall.
Still no reaction.
I fired a 3rd time and waited for it to fall.
I couldn't believe I had missed 3 times.
I fired a 4th time and it fell down.
The person next to me said wow that thing shoots fast.
We checked the game.
It had four hits all of which were clean quick kills.
To me it took about 30-40 seconds to fire those for rounds.
In reality it took no more than 5.
Good chance he fired the 7th before they reacted to the first.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Some people use clip to describe a stripper clip as opposed to a self contained detachable magazine.
Others I am inclined to be one of them use clip for anything detachable.

Anything detachable that can feed ammunition is a magazine.
A clip is for organizing ammo storage for ease of loading into magazines.

I fully understand your definitions, but they are not universal.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Some people use clip to describe a stripper clip as opposed to a self contained detachable magazine.
Others I am inclined to be one of them use clip for anything detachable.

Anything detachable that can feed ammunition is a magazine.
A clip is for organizing ammo storage for ease of loading into magazines.

I fully understand your definitions, but they are not universal.

Understood.
But I still react viscerally to having the difference hammered into a young sailor by a Marine Gunny doing the campaign hat tilt onto the nose and yelling at the top of his lungs. <grin>
Yep, a Marine Gunny taught Range-master training to a bunch of squids.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

incredible someone dies because they dont drop their "weapon" but cops can be exonerated by saying they were afraid for their lives.
Training is obviously what they need, not excuses.

I agree Lucy, and I have read many of the responses/and thoughts of many people here, and dozens of comments on that article from the DM.
I understand how serious it is to reach for a magazine, etc.

But the suspect appeared so dazed and non-threatening, I can't fathom the last 3-4 shots.
Especially from someone who did not appear to have a weapon, was not reaching for anything, and was saying "no no no".
Very unsettling for me, which is why I usually don't watch these videos.

I quit hunting with an automatic rifle because of this incident.
I was hunting with a automatic rifle.
I shot something, stopped to let it fall.
Nothing happened I fired again, and stopped to let it fall.
Still no reaction.
I fired a 3rd time and waited for it to fall.
I couldn't believe I had missed 3 times.
I fired a 4th time and it fell down.
The person next to me said wow that thing shoots fast.
We checked the game.
It had four hits all of which were clean quick kills.
To me it took about 30-40 seconds to fire those for rounds.
In reality it took no more than 5.
Good chance he fired the 7th before they reacted to the first.
.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

incredible someone dies because they dont drop their "weapon" but cops can be exonerated by saying they were afraid for their lives.
Training is obviously what they need, not excuses.

I agree Lucy, and I have read many of the responses/and thoughts of many people here, and dozens of comments on that article from the DM.
I understand how serious it is to reach for a magazine, etc.

But the suspect appeared so dazed and non-threatening, I can't fathom the last 3-4 shots.
Especially from someone who did not appear to have a weapon, was not reaching for anything, and was saying "no no no".
Very unsettling for me, which is why I usually don't watch these videos.

I quit hunting with an automatic rifle because of this incident.
I was hunting with a automatic rifle.
I shot something, stopped to let it fall.
Nothing happened I fired again, and stopped to let it fall.
Still no reaction.
I fired a 3rd time and waited for it to fall.
I couldn't believe I had missed 3 times.
I fired a 4th time and it fell down.
The person next to me said wow that thing shoots fast.
We checked the game.
It had four hits all of which were clean quick kills.
To me it took about 30-40 seconds to fire those for rounds.
In reality it took no more than 5.
Good chance he fired the 7th before they reacted to the first.
.

This was a great explanation, it explains a lot of what is going on these days with cops.
High powered rapid fire automatic weapons.
Not like the guns of yesteryear.
Once they decide to draw their guns, it is probably game over for someone.
Thanks for explaining this so succinctly.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

incredible someone dies because they dont drop their "weapon" but cops can be exonerated by saying they were afraid for their lives.
Training is obviously what they need, not excuses.

I agree Lucy, and I have read many of the responses/and thoughts of many people here, and dozens of comments on that article from the DM.
I understand how serious it is to reach for a magazine, etc.

But the suspect appeared so dazed and non-threatening, I can't fathom the last 3-4 shots.
Especially from someone who did not appear to have a weapon, was not reaching for anything, and was saying "no no no".
Very unsettling for me, which is why I usually don't watch these videos.

I quit hunting with an automatic rifle because of this incident.
I was hunting with a automatic rifle.
I shot something, stopped to let it fall.
Nothing happened I fired again, and stopped to let it fall.
Still no reaction.
I fired a 3rd time and waited for it to fall.
I couldn't believe I had missed 3 times.
I fired a 4th time and it fell down.
The person next to me said wow that thing shoots fast.
We checked the game.
It had four hits all of which were clean quick kills.
To me it took about 30-40 seconds to fire those for rounds.
In reality it took no more than 5.
Good chance he fired the 7th before they reacted to the first.
.

This was a great explanation, it explains a lot of what is going on these days with cops.
High powered rapid fire automatic weapons.
Not like the guns of yesteryear.
Once they decide to draw their guns, it is probably game over for someone.
Thanks for explaining this so succinctly.

The same time dilation has worked the other way.
I was in my early 20s when that incident occurred and didn't realize what happened to me.
When I was just about 60 a man came into my yard at night, and I yelled at him twice.
After the 2nd time he pulled something from behind him that reflected, like a knife or gun.
I , of course went for my gun, but because thinks moved slow for me I had time to find a
keyboard on what was in his hand and calculated there wasn't a threat. Without the dilation
things would have moved so fast for me that I would have been shooting before I had time
to see that.
With the other one, I was walking my dog at night and a fool came running at me from behind
across my yard. My dog took offense and by the time my dog got the lease fully extended
the fool had frozen and I had a gun aimed at the center of his chest.
From that moment he became very agreeable and nobody got hurt.
Automatic weapons are double edged.
Cops tend to fire more rounds than with revolvers.
But thw bad guys useually carry autos so if the cop doesn't have one he is outgunned.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

incredible someone dies because they dont drop their "weapon" but cops can be exonerated by saying they were afraid for their lives.
Training is obviously what they need, not excuses.

I agree Lucy, and I have read many of the responses/and thoughts of many people here, and dozens of comments on that article from the DM.
I understand how serious it is to reach for a magazine, etc.

But the suspect appeared so dazed and non-threatening, I can't fathom the last 3-4 shots.
Especially from someone who did not appear to have a weapon, was not reaching for anything, and was saying "no no no".
Very unsettling for me, which is why I usually don't watch these videos.

I quit hunting with an automatic rifle because of this incident.
I was hunting with a automatic rifle.
I shot something, stopped to let it fall.
Nothing happened I fired again, and stopped to let it fall.
Still no reaction.
I fired a 3rd time and waited for it to fall.
I couldn't believe I had missed 3 times.
I fired a 4th time and it fell down.
The person next to me said wow that thing shoots fast.
We checked the game.
It had four hits all of which were clean quick kills.
To me it took about 30-40 seconds to fire those for rounds.
In reality it took no more than 5.
Good chance he fired the 7th before they reacted to the first.
.

This was a great explanation, it explains a lot of what is going on these days with cops.
High powered rapid fire automatic weapons.
Not like the guns of yesteryear.
Once they decide to draw their guns, it is probably game over for someone.
Thanks for explaining this so succinctly.

The same time dilation has worked the other way.
I was in my early 20s when that incident occurred and didn't realize what happened to me.
When I was just about 60 a man came into my yard at night, and I yelled at him twice.
After the 2nd time he pulled something from behind him that reflected, like a knife or gun.
I , of course went for my gun, but because thinks moved slow for me I had time to find a
keyboard on what was in his hand and calculated there wasn't a threat. Without the dilation
things would have moved so fast for me that I would have been shooting before I had time
to see that.
With the other one, I was walking my dog at night and a fool came running at me from behind
across my yard. My dog took offense and by the time my dog got the lease fully extended
the fool had frozen and I had a gun aimed at the center of his chest.
From that moment he became very agreeable and nobody got hurt.
Automatic weapons are double edged.
Cops tend to fire more rounds than with revolvers.
But thw bad guys useually carry autos so if the cop doesn't have one he is outgunned.

Believe me, I know the cops have to have automatic weapons these days.
The bad guys have made that a must.
It is just sad, when people get killed that should have just be slowed down.
Stoner guy in this video did not have a gun, was high or drunk out of his mind, and a small shot to the foot would have stopped him.
Many are dying and will die because the cops have to be armed with high powered weaponry.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Are we living in an era that everyone that makes stupid mistakes, is high or out of control, must die?

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Are we living in an era that everyone that makes stupid mistakes, is high or out of control, must die?

there is no fucking end to the murders by rambo brownshirt cops today, americas finest

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

incredible someone dies because they dont drop their "weapon" but cops can be exonerated by saying they were afraid for their lives.
Training is obviously what they need, not excuses.

I agree Lucy, and I have read many of the responses/and thoughts of many people here, and dozens of comments on that article from the DM.
I understand how serious it is to reach for a magazine, etc.

But the suspect appeared so dazed and non-threatening, I can't fathom the last 3-4 shots.
Especially from someone who did not appear to have a weapon, was not reaching for anything, and was saying "no no no".
Very unsettling for me, which is why I usually don't watch these videos.

I quit hunting with an automatic rifle because of this incident.
I was hunting with a automatic rifle.
I shot something, stopped to let it fall.
Nothing happened I fired again, and stopped to let it fall.
Still no reaction.
I fired a 3rd time and waited for it to fall.
I couldn't believe I had missed 3 times.
I fired a 4th time and it fell down.
The person next to me said wow that thing shoots fast.
We checked the game.
It had four hits all of which were clean quick kills.
To me it took about 30-40 seconds to fire those for rounds.
In reality it took no more than 5.
Good chance he fired the 7th before they reacted to the first.
.

This was a great explanation, it explains a lot of what is going on these days with cops.
High powered rapid fire automatic weapons.
Not like the guns of yesteryear.
Once they decide to draw their guns, it is probably game over for someone.
Thanks for explaining this so succinctly.

The same time dilation has worked the other way.
I was in my early 20s when that incident occurred and didn't realize what happened to me.
When I was just about 60 a man came into my yard at night, and I yelled at him twice.
After the 2nd time he pulled something from behind him that reflected, like a knife or gun.
I , of course went for my gun, but because thinks moved slow for me I had time to find a
keyboard on what was in his hand and calculated there wasn't a threat. Without the dilation
things would have moved so fast for me that I would have been shooting before I had time
to see that.
With the other one, I was walking my dog at night and a fool came running at me from behind
across my yard. My dog took offense and by the time my dog got the lease fully extended
the fool had frozen and I had a gun aimed at the center of his chest.
From that moment he became very agreeable and nobody got hurt.
Automatic weapons are double edged.
Cops tend to fire more rounds than with revolvers.
But thw bad guys useually carry autos so if the cop doesn't have one he is outgunned.

Believe me, I know the cops have to have automatic weapons these days.
The bad guys have made that a must.
It is just sad, when people get killed that should have just be slowed down.
Stoner guy in this video did not have a gun, was high or drunk out of his mind, and a small shot to the foot would have stopped him.
Many are dying and will die because the cops have to be armed with high powered weaponry.

After the bullet hit his foot it would have gone through and bounced, where would it land ?

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ORIGINAL: Marini

I might as well jump into the fray here.
I have watched this video several times, I find it very, very disturbing.
**Graphic alert***

The suspect looks like a very young man, GRANTED he did grab for the officer's gun.
But did the officer have to shoot him 7 times???
The suspect was not even close to him, why did he fire the 4th, 5th, 6th and it appears the 7th shot killed him.

Things are getting out of hand.
In one of the video's you can tell that there was more than one cop on the scene.

The suspect had to be at least 10-15 feet away from the cop, and he was saying "no, no, no".
OMG, I just watched it again, I thought I was seeing things.
The suspect was just standing there, he was not even charging him!
I tell you I am done.

Daily Mail- Video of cop shooting suspect 7 times

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Marini

I might as well jump into the fray here.
I have watched this video several times, I find it very, very disturbing.
**Graphic alert***

The suspect looks like a very young man, GRANTED he did grab for the officer's gun.
But did the officer have to shoot him 7 times???
The suspect was not even close to him, why did he fire the 4th, 5th, 6th and it appears the 7th shot killed him.

Things are getting out of hand.
In one of the video's you can tell that there was more than one cop on the scene.

The suspect had to be at least 10-15 feet away from the cop, and he was saying "no, no, no".
OMG, I just watched it again, I thought I was seeing things.
The suspect was just standing there, he was not even charging him!
I tell you I am done.

Daily Mail- Video of cop shooting suspect 7 times

New film came out showing what happened before the shooting.
He punched the cop who then USED A TASER on him.
The man shrugged of the taser like it never happen and attack again.
Would seem to change things doesn't it.

In this day of video coverage from multiple sources, most of the information we are getting is one sided.
Until or unless you see all of the coverage, many times you are speculating on incorrect information.

Look at these message boards, people spend hours and hours debating information that is usually one sided at best, and often not the entire or even true story!!


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As always, To EACH their Own.
"And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. "
Nelson Mandela
Life-long Democrat, not happy at all with Democratic Party.
NOT a Republican/Moderate and free agent

(in reply to BamaD)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD




That is part of the reason police use hollow points
and part of the reason they aim for center mass.
Hollow point have less penetration and center mass has more
to penetrate.
Both factors reduce the chance of a through and through.
Aiming at the had or foot reduce the chance of a hit and make sure that every round
flies off looking for an innocent target.
But then if the cop would just die they could hit an innocent.