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WhoreMods -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/27/2017 11:30:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

The most celebrated versions of The Star Spangled Banner have been performed by amazing black musicians. Jimi Hendrix at Woodstock and Whitney Houston at the Superbowl in 1991.

Didn't a lot of "patriots" find Hendrix's distorted reverbed and generally fuzzed into psychedellia version just as offensive as Roseanne Barr's rendition?
It's even been suggested that Hendrix might have been deliberately taking the piss, in fact...




Musicmystery -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/27/2017 12:36:12 PM)

It was a protest version -- bombs dropping, etc.




Hillwilliam -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/27/2017 12:38:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

The most celebrated versions of The Star Spangled Banner have been performed by amazing black musicians. Jimi Hendrix at Woodstock and Whitney Houston at the Superbowl in 1991.

Didn't a lot of "patriots" find Hendrix's distorted reverbed and generally fuzzed into psychedellia version just as offensive as Roseanne Barr's rendition?
It's even been suggested that Hendrix might have been deliberately taking the piss, in fact...

Ted Nugent is quite far right and he was fond enough of it until I saw him play it once.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz8QXngF6W8&list=RDlz8QXngF6W8
Fairly close version here as well




WhoreMods -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/27/2017 1:19:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

It was a protest version -- bombs dropping, etc.

That's most of the hacks' line on it yep, and it didn't endear him any to the right leaning elements of society, I'm told.

Hill: I think Prince used to claim that if you couldn't take a half decent stab at Hendrix's take on TS-SB then you had no business playing the guitar in public at all, didn't he?
(No argument that Nugent's a poster boy for the RWNJs, though.)




Nnanji -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/27/2017 2:31:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

Must read... 39 year military veteran and former head of the CIA...http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/352419-michael-hayden-in-trump-versus-nfl-standing-up-for-free-speech

Everyone has an opinion.

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2017/09/26/kneeling-self-deceiving-lie/





MercTech -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/27/2017 3:26:42 PM)

The overpaid and overprivileged sports wonks act like assholes at a public ceremony then whine because the average Joe wants nothing to do with them any more. No film at 11. They should be as forgotten as Tommie Smith and John Carlos.




bounty44 -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/27/2017 3:57:14 PM)

the smith and carlos incident has some history to it that share some similarity to today.

jesse owens, by all accounts a well respected historical figure in black America, was at the 1968 Olympics. his approach towards the problem of racism was to work through it by being respectful and hard working. by contrast, the late 60s saw a rise in the militant approach amongst blacks and smith and carlos were more or less from that camp. they considered owens an uncle tom and they ostracized him.

smith and carlos become reviled figures because of their disrespect to the country with their protest on the medal stand and the question is, did they do more to harm race relations or ease them. I suspect the former.

there have been a couple of scholarly books written on the topic, but ive not had the opportunity to read them.










Made2Obey -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/27/2017 9:26:20 PM)

Lots of videos like this popping up on YouTube recently...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FYK4LJFheas

It will be interesting to watch the National Anthem part this coming weekend.




Baldrick -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/27/2017 9:46:40 PM)

The Montreal Allouettes of the CFL have reached out to Kaepernick... who knows maybe he will have a great career here in Canada




Lucylastic -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/27/2017 9:48:13 PM)

I thought boycotting things was a liberal problem...

Seeing all the butt hurt fans burning their shit is hysterical.


But I loved this about Alejandro Villanueva

Steelers player said mix-up led to anthem flap, defends athletes who protested
PITTSBURGH — Alejandro Villanueva just wanted to get a glimpse of the American flag, the symbol he wore on his military uniform during three tours in Afghanistan before beginning an unlikely journey from Army Ranger to the NFL.

The massive left tackle and West Point graduate has no interest in becoming a symbol in a fight he wants no part of, no matter how it may have looked on Sunday at Soldier Field, when Villanueva found himself standing alone as the flag waved, the national anthem played and his teammates remained covered in darkness in a tunnel behind him.

The optics made it appear as if Villanueva was making a statement about where he stands in the mushrooming political battle that has turned high-profile athletes' action (or inaction) during the playing of the "Star Spangled Banner" into a national referendum on patriotism.

Villanueva insists he was not, that saluting the colors had everything to do with miscommunication and nothing to do with him setting himself apart from the organization, the coaches or the players who have helped craft his improbable success story.

"It's a very embarrassing part on my end," Villanueva said on Monday. "When everyone sees images of me standing by myself, everybody thinks the team and the Steelers are not behind me and that is absolutely wrong. It's quite the opposite."

Villanueva also defended NFL players who opted not to stand during the anthem.

“What people don’t understand is ... we’re not talking about the same thing,” the 29-year-old athlete told reporters. “People who are taking the knee, they’re not saying anything negative about the military … [or] about the flag. They’re just trying to protest the fact that there are some injustices in America.”

The Steelers met as a team on Saturday night to discuss how to handle the anthem following president Donald Trump's tweets suggesting players who don't stand for it should be fired.

Coach Mike Tomlin told his players whatever they decided, they needed to do it as a team. When the group couldn't reach a consensus, they opted to remove themselves from the situation by staying off the field until after the anthem was played.

Villanueva reached out to quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, asking if he could be at the front of the pack. Roethlisberger told Villanueva to meet in the tunnel four minutes before kickoff. Villanueva said he arrived early and walked out far enough to see the flag. He asked a security guard when the anthem would start and was told "20 seconds." He turned back toward his teammates in the tunnel when the music began playing.

So Villanueva did what he's done his entire life: he stopped and put his right hand over his heart even as his mind raced.

"The decision was 'Do you walk out of the national anthem and join your teammates?'" Villanueva said. "I know that would have looked extremely bad. Or as a team do you start moving halfway through the national anthem? What you can get out of this is that we essentially butchered our plan."

Leaving the 29-year-old Villanueva and the Steelers in a difficult spot. Roethlisberger and the rest of the 53-man roster was ready to join Villanueva but was slowed by a group of Chicago fans exiting the field. Then the first verse was roaring through the loudspeakers and it was too late.

"I wish today we would have continued down," Roethlisberger said. "I know there would have been a lot of chaos and commotion because the guys behind us wouldn't know what was going on. There was no division there. That's just the way it appeared through pictures and cameras and stuff."

Roethlisberger said the entire team will take the field on Sunday when Pittsburgh plays in Baltimore, though it's uncertain whether they will present a unified front or have some players protest in some form.

Either way, they will be there alongside Villanueva, who defended his teammates for the surreal scene at Soldier Field, placing the blame on himself.

"The entire team would have been out there with me, even the ones that wanted to take a knee would have been there with me had they known these extremely (difficult) circumstances," he said.

"Because of that I've made Mike Tomlin look bad, and that's my fault and my fault only. I've made my teammates look bad and that's my fault and my fault only. I also look bad and that's my fault and my fault only."

Regardless of the actual intentions of all involved, the combination of Villanueva's background and the striking image of his No. 78 cutting a singular figure against the Soldier Field grass on a politically charged afternoon across the NFL turned him into an unwitting cause celebrity.

The former undrafted free agent whose professional football career nearly ended shortly after it began when he was cut by Philadelphia in 2014 had the most popular-selling jersey on the league's website Monday.

On social media, he was hailed as a hero for appearing to take a stance against the growing tide of protests that began when former San Francisco quarterback Colin Kaepernick took a knee during the 2016 season to bring attention to the issues of police brutality and racial injustice.

Villanueva wasn't doing anything of the sort.

"That's completely wrong, and every single time I see that picture of me standing by myself, I feel embarrassed to a degree because unintentionally I left my teammates behind," he said.

"It wasn't me stepping forward. I never planned to boycott the plan that the Steelers came up with. I just thought there would be some middle ground where I could stand in the tunnel, nobody would see me."

http://www.startribune.com/steelers-will-take-field-for-anthem-before-game-vs-ravens/447767573/




BoscoX -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/28/2017 6:10:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


Seeing all the butt hurt fans burning their shit is hysterical.


That's because leftist trash loves nothing more than bitter identity politics divisions. Tearing old wounds open and keeping the hate alive




Lucylastic -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/28/2017 6:27:32 AM)

Its not me having a tantrum and burning expensive gear, and making it about the flag, while ignoring the truth. And then posting video of it.
Its like you are trying to outdo the "leave brittany alone" video
Clutching your anal beads so tight, they turn into rhoids





BoscoX -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/28/2017 6:47:28 AM)


Football used to be something that brought all Americans together. Black, white, brown, left, right, whatever... Leftist trash has ruined that (and find it hysterical)

Now its all about race

Leftist identity politics at its finest




Lucylastic -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/28/2017 7:04:06 AM)

Ahhhhhh yes the good old days, when men were men and poc, lgbtq, children and women were afraidto speak out about abuse.







BoscoX -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/28/2017 8:00:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Ahhhhhh yes the good old days, when men were men and poc, lgbtq, children and women were afraidto speak out about abuse.



Coincidentally, your incoherent insane meaningless rambling raises an interesting point

Why wasn't the NFL all whiney SJW snowflake bitch before now, if this is really a free speech issue, and not about the flag




bounty44 -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/28/2017 9:15:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


Seeing all the butt hurt fans burning their shit is hysterical.


That's because leftist trash loves nothing more than bitter identity politics divisions. Tearing old wounds open and keeping the hate alive


no small irony in that---"protesting" that is easily interpreted as disrespecting the flag and the national anthem is "good."

fans protesting that disrespectful behavior by burning their material possessions linked to the people engaging in it is "hysterical."





MasterObsidiann -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/28/2017 9:20:50 AM)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. senator on Wednesday said Russian internet trolls, seeking to polarize Americans, helped fuel a debate ignited by President Donald Trump over whether NFL players should have the right to kneel during the national anthem.

The assertion, made by Republican James Lankford, comes as congressional investigators probing Moscow’s alleged meddling in the 2016 presidential election are focusing on how Russian agents used social media to spread divisive political content.

”We watched, even this weekend, the Russians and their troll farms, their internet folks, start hashtagging out #TakeAKnee and also hashtagging out #BoycottNFL,” Lankford, who sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said during a hearing on threats faced by the United States.

“They were taking both sides of the argument this weekend ... to try to raise the noise level of America and make a big issue seem like an even bigger issue as they are trying to push divisiveness in this country,” Lankford said.

Lankford did not provide evidence to corroborate his statement.

A Lankford aide said U.S. intelligence shared with senators showed that Russian troll operations relied on social media to meddle in U.S. issues going back to last year’s presidential election in an effort to divide Americans.

Such activity has also been occurring in Europe for years, the aide said.

A website built by researchers working with the Alliance for Securing Democracy, a bipartisan, transatlantic project to counter Russian disinformation, showed tweets promoting both sides of the football debate from 600 accounts that analysts identified as users who spread Russian propaganda on Twitter.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-cyber-russia/senator-says-russian-internet-trolls-stoked-nfl-debate-idUSKCN1C237J

Support your team, or side, and hell mend the cost. It looks like Russia is winning to me. President Trump is making matters worse. As President he is supposed to unite the nation and not divide and polarize it further.





AtUrCervix -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/28/2017 3:17:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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And they decided to make it about the right to protest instead.

But that IS what it is about.


You are an idiot. It's about keeping old wounds open at any cost

Leftist trash will never let old wounds heal. It's about being purposely divisive, purely for political gain


DOOOOD!!!


YOU are an idiot!!!

EVERY FREAKIN time you take an immutable stand...you lose your audience.....I CAN'T believe you're THAT STOOOOOPIT!!




AtUrCervix -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/28/2017 3:25:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Reminder: NFL Protesters Aren't Anti-American, They're Anti-Police Brutality


Lucy....


They can do this on their own time.

They PROTEST against the FLAG.

(They have SAID SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

They CAN protest in WAYS that EXPONENTIALLY make THEIR POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!

They have CHOSEN NOT TO DO SO!!!

##END##




Lucylastic -> RE: NFL owners, CEOs respond to Trump comments (9/28/2017 3:59:10 PM)

freedom...
except for black NFL players who take the knee protesting silently
no, not ######END
Do you or have you ever go around a football game demanding people stand?
WHy not?




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