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How is Iwo Jima, Saipan and Guadalcanal relevant? Are you implying that spending years planning and then attacking the islands with tens of thousands of men is an equivalency here?

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Food and water. reached the island earlier. CNBC explained, "There are 3,000 cargo containers here at Crowley, one of the biggest shippers in Puerto Rico…Here’s the problem – the truck drivers can’t get to the terminal to get their containers out…You’re looking at truck drivers who can’t be reached by their businesses by cell phone, they don’t have the gas to get to work, and then even when they do get to work, their semi-trucks don’t have fuel. The problem is the supply chain."

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I've not heard one person complain about a cost to rebuild Puerto Rico. Maybe that's just me.

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But planning and making big decisions isn't saying we'll leave people in the Stone Age.

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Others more knowledgeable than I about supply to the island have made comments on this thread that seem relevant. Yet you've not mentioned them.

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I see your point about getting the thread back on track. I don't see your "Landlord" commie references as doing that or equating this effort to invading islands as relevant.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

FEMA didn't plan for Puerto Rico because they are a separate country and wanted it that way.

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How is Iwo Jima, Saipan and Guadalcanal relevant? Are you implying that spending years planning and then attacking the islands with tens of thousands of men is an equivalency here?

The Federal Emergency Management Assholes system is supposed to be an ONGOING planning, management, and civil partnership activity that has plans and materials in place for each location IN ANTICIPATION OF UNIQUE LOCAL NEEDS. They are supposed to integrate with the local officials. They didn't. The years of planning and appropriate number of manpower were supposed to be in place at the beginning of the storm. They were in place for Iwo Jima. Why were they not in place for Puerto Rico?

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Food and water. reached the island earlier. CNBC explained, "There are 3,000 cargo containers here at Crowley, one of the biggest shippers in Puerto Rico…Here’s the problem – the truck drivers can’t get to the terminal to get their containers out…You’re looking at truck drivers who can’t be reached by their businesses by cell phone, they don’t have the gas to get to work, and then even when they do get to work, their semi-trucks don’t have fuel. The problem is the supply chain."

Why didn't FEMA plan for those contingencies? It has been 89 years since Puerto Rico experienced such a devastating hurricane. FEMA had 89 years to plan. Were they out to lunch all that while?

Crowley didn't know the roads would be impassable and the drivers had no phones??? Is this a joke? They couldn't ask FEMA to helicopter in some troops who could drive trucks and whatever other troops their 89 years of planning might have revealed were needed??? WTF? Not asking for the Airborne here!!

The problem is the supply chain. Right. FEMA never planned for the supply chain. What a surprise.

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I've not heard one person complain about a cost to rebuild Puerto Rico. Maybe that's just me.

Yeah, it must have just been you; all the dogs in my neighborhood heard 45 whine about the cost.

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But planning and making big decisions isn't saying we'll leave people in the Stone Age.

Now there is a stupid cunt remark.

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Others more knowledgeable than I about supply to the island have made comments on this thread that seem relevant. Yet you've not mentioned them.

Where did you get the idea that I was responding to you? If I wanted intelligent, knowledgeable answers why would I ask you?

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I see your point about getting the thread back on track. I don't see your "Landlord" commie references as doing that or equating this effort to invading islands as relevant.

You don't see it is relevant to equate the unsuccessful landing on the beaches of PR with the successful and brave landing on IWO because you have abandoned the creative portion of your brain. It is an insult to our brave marines who accomplished such dramatic and dangerous island landings by whining that PR is an island. The marines landed throwing hand grenades; Trump landed throwing rolls of paper towels.

And "commie"?? What does that have to do with anything after the cold war. It's over, son. Let it sink into your brain. The cold war is over. The commies have all gone home. The villains de jure are the Arabs. Try to keep them sorted.

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How is Iwo Jima, Saipan and Guadalcanal relevant? Are you implying that spending years planning and then attacking the islands with tens of thousands of men is an equivalency here?

The Federal Emergency Management Assholes system is supposed to be an ONGOING planning, management, and civil partnership activity that has plans and materials in place for each location IN ANTICIPATION OF UNIQUE LOCAL NEEDS. They are supposed to integrate with the local officials. They didn't. The years of planning and appropriate number of manpower were supposed to be in place at the beginning of the storm. They were in place for Iwo Jima. Why were they not in place for Puerto Rico?

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Food and water. reached the island earlier. CNBC explained, "There are 3,000 cargo containers here at Crowley, one of the biggest shippers in Puerto Rico…Here’s the problem – the truck drivers can’t get to the terminal to get their containers out…You’re looking at truck drivers who can’t be reached by their businesses by cell phone, they don’t have the gas to get to work, and then even when they do get to work, their semi-trucks don’t have fuel. The problem is the supply chain."

Why didn't FEMA plan for those contingencies? It has been 89 years since Puerto Rico experienced such a devastating hurricane. FEMA had 89 years to plan. Were they out to lunch all that while?

Crowley didn't know the roads would be impassable and the drivers had no phones??? Is this a joke? They couldn't ask FEMA to helicopter in some troops who could drive trucks and whatever other troops their 89 years of planning might have revealed were needed??? WTF? Not asking for the Airborne here!!

The problem is the supply chain. Right. FEMA never planned for the supply chain. What a surprise.

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I've not heard one person complain about a cost to rebuild Puerto Rico. Maybe that's just me.

Yeah, it must have just been you; all the dogs in my neighborhood heard 45 whine about the cost.

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But planning and making big decisions isn't saying we'll leave people in the Stone Age.

Now there is a stupid cunt remark.

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Others more knowledgeable than I about supply to the island have made comments on this thread that seem relevant. Yet you've not mentioned them.

Where did you get the idea that I was responding to you? If I wanted intelligent, knowledgeable answers why would I ask you?

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I see your point about getting the thread back on track. I don't see your "Landlord" commie references as doing that or equating this effort to invading islands as relevant.

You don't see it is relevant to equate the unsuccessful landing on the beaches of PR with the successful and brave landing on IWO because you have abandoned the creative portion of your brain. It is an insult to our brave marines who accomplished such dramatic and dangerous island landings by whining that PR is an island. The marines landed throwing hand grenades; Trump landed throwing rolls of paper towels.

And "commie"?? What does that have to do with anything after the cold war. It's over, son. Let it sink into your brain. The cold war is over. The commies have all gone home. The villains de jure are the Arabs. Try to keep them sorted.

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When the disaster reaches beyond the resources of the locals, they ask the state to help and if the disaster goes beyond the state's resources thestatemustask for federal help. The State can't help until asked by locals and the Feds can't help until asked by a State. That's how it works. I don't know where you're getting the weird idea that FEMA has plans for everything everywhere. That's nonsense.

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are you so petty you cannot recognize a joke?

same question with the paper towels--so what? you think that because trump is throwing out paper towels that Puerto rico is somehow not getting food, water and electricity?

turns out he was also involved in handing out rice at the same time.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/03/trump-tosses-paper-towels-into-a-crowd-of-hurricane-victims-video/

seriously, all you liberals need to get a grip.

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One interesting event I'll share. A local city decided to stage a disaster event to practice and critique its disaster planning. A few select people were let in on the staged event. The rest of the people (including me) were not notified in advance but were called in wherever they were just like it was real. The event was supposed to simulate a terrorist driving a truck bomb into the water treatment plant.

The practice event almost didn't occur, I learned later, because the few people with knowledge of the event asked the School Board if they could borrow some high school students from the drama department to act as injured people for the rescue first responders to triage. Well, one fellow who sat on the school board, he had a Phd in psychology, was so appalled that the kids would be traumatized and there was no consideration to have counseling for the kids that he threatened to go public and make a big stink in the press. Because you know a kid in drama class is so fragile that acting by laying in the street and acting like they were injured was going to ruin their life if they didn't have professional counseling before and after the exercise.

Of course, FEMA wasn't involved on any level. FEMA doesn't get involved until the governor of the State invites FEMA to help. But, I guess some people actually believe FEMA should have hired counsellers for the kids. The kids ended up cutting school for the day and had a ball. I got called in on my day off as it turned out. The exercise went poorly because the elected officials all tried to run the exercise personally and gave conflicting orders while not listening to professionals such as police, fire and engineers. They all just knew better. Just as the mayor of San Juan never showed up at planning meeting for her disaster but wanted to use the event to score political points.

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Oh, and, as probably the only professional on this board that has both been part of planning for disastersand participated in fixing them during and after they occurred, I'll generally ignore your little bitch statements for the ignorance they are. Actually, your organizational thoughts on the subject are totally wrapped up in your myopic small world view with projection based on your beliefs which have no basis in reality. But, I didn't mention that until you got all bitchy and whiny.

I'll ignore the rest of your responses since it's obvious you haven't a clue about the topic except for biased projections. Have a nice day.

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are you so petty you cannot recognize a joke?

same question with the paper towels--so what? you think that because trump is throwing out paper towels that Puerto rico is somehow not getting food, water and electricity?

turns out he was also involved in handing out rice at the same time.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/03/trump-tosses-paper-towels-into-a-crowd-of-hurricane-victims-video/

seriously, all you liberals need to get a grip.

Seriously, Trump distributed a few individual bags of rice before he threw rolls of paper towels to the neatly dressed crowd inside a church, and you don't see the insult to the people in the hills who were still without water. Ignorance lives on the Right, I see.

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When the disaster reaches beyond the resources of the locals, they ask the state to help and if the disaster goes beyond the state's resources thestatemustask for federal help. The State can't help until asked by locals and the Feds can't help until asked by a State. That's how it works. I don't know where you're getting the weird idea that FEMA has plans for everything everywhere. That's nonsense.

Clearly, both the governor of PR and the Mayor of San Juan were asking for help, especially the latter loud and clear. Trump did not lift the restriction against foreign flag ships until ten days after the storm struck. How much asking is needed?