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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 8:42:55 PM

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It also doesn't say there is a limit on the arms that are allowed.
In the US if the Constitution doesn't specifically prohibit something, then it is considered to be legal.

The clear part of the law is that, you MUST be allowed to have guns. That's the only part with no ambiguity. Any other parts with ambiguity, the current law makers can interpret it however they want.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 8:43:22 PM

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Would you not agree that a pump or semi 12 gauge shotgun with bird shot would be a better intruder defense weapon? Withe the AR 15 you could easily miss and shoot through walls killing your child for instance... let common sense rule.

As far as the rest of your post... removing guns...especially assault type weapons would not stop the killing but slow it down considerably. Use the UK again for example... yes bombs kill and so do vehicles...but as we have seen knives are hard you use in mass murders.

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Not for th3 smaller person who cannot control the 12ga.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 8:44:46 PM

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Every type is used.

I think if a real study is done. You'd see that there is a high majority that uses this type of gun. That's the one they keep.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 8:45:25 PM

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Look, I've been thrown in jail in Singapore for trying to leave the country with one handgun bullet in my carry on lugauge.

Hey I would have been thrown into jail for having pepper spray. So we locals know that things like bullets, pepper spray, banned things, are just not allowed. I am sorry you got in trouble for that.
We just don't like people having any form of potential weapons at all. And our crime and death by criminal act statistics correlated with our safety methods.

I just never understood the idea of people preferring to live in a more dangerous environment. Rather than give up insignificant freedoms that enhance over all safety for all, that does not even affect one's life. I don't feel like not being able to touch a bullet or own a gun has made my life limited in any way. If Singaporean wants to hunt, they can go Malaysia to do so.

I agree, you dont understand freedom. That's why you are happy there and I would not be.

"Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 8:47:28 PM

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Not at the expense of everyone else's rights. Sorry...but if that life was, cars would have been gone a LONNNG time ago.

Actually, if people wanted to regulate car killings, it's not inconceivable to me that my country could only limit all cars to 600cc. That's it! Slower cars.
I think the suggestion here is not total ban, but to decide on what kind of fire power is enough for protection and hunting. And what is too much and obviously needed for other reasons not so nice.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 8:48:28 PM

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Look, I've been thrown in jail in Singapore for trying to leave the country with one handgun bullet in my carry on lugauge.

Hey I would have been thrown into jail for having pepper spray. So we locals know that things like bullets, pepper spray, banned things, are just not allowed. I am sorry you got in trouble for that.
We just don't like people having any form of potential weapons at all. And our crime and death by criminal act statistics correlated with our safety methods.

I just never understood the idea of people preferring to live in a more dangerous environment. Rather than give up insignificant freedoms that enhance over all safety for all, that does not even affect one's life. I don't feel like not being able to touch a bullet or own a gun has made my life limited in any way. If Singaporean wants to hunt, they can go Malaysia to do so.

I was leaving the country on a flight to the Middle East. How is throwing me in jail and not letting me take the bullet out of the country providing for the safety of anyone not living in Dubai where I was headed?

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 8:48:33 PM

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Would you not agree that a pump or semi 12 gauge shotgun with bird shot would be a better intruder defense weapon? Withe the AR 15 you could easily miss and shoot through walls killing your child for instance... let common sense rule.

As far as the rest of your post... removing guns...especially assault type weapons would not stop the killing but slow it down considerably. Use the UK again for example... yes bombs kill and so do vehicles...but as we have seen knives are hard you use in mass murders.

Butch

No I wouldn't agree. I have had the experience of having been in a situation where a perp was holding a woman hostage with a knife to her throat. A shotgun would have been totally useless. A 9mm semi-auto and a triple tap put him down with no harm to the woman at all. A guy with the back of his skull blown out doesn't do much harm to others. In case you're wondering, he was on PCP, there was no way to defuse the situation through talk. And for all the BLM types, he was not a minority.

I don't agree that removing guns would slow the killings. For one there are too many black market guns already in place among gangs. For another, if all the guns were somehow rounded up the mass killing types would just step up to more devastating weapons. ISIS has certainly proven that's not difficult to do.

In DC when they banned guns the murder rate doubled because of the increase in the knife and club attacks.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 8:50:14 PM

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Yea... great shot... there is little spread in less than 20 feet with a shotgun... would gave done an even better job and not taking the chance of killing someone else with a miss.

Right just let him slit her throat.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 8:50:25 PM

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I was leaving the country on a flight to the Middle East. How is throwing me in jail and not letting me take the bullet out of the country providing for the safety of anyone not living in Dubai where I was headed?

Because the fact that you got a bullet means that you brought a bullet illegally into the country. No bullet allowed inside Singapore premises. Even if you were just making a transfer at the airport.
It's just like if you were caught leaving the country with heroin, it's death penalty too. Doesn't matter if you are leaving or coming in.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 8:52:13 PM

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In DC when they banned guns the murder rate doubled because of the increase in the knife and club attacks.

Do they need to bring semi-automatic rifles whenever they go clubbing? Or do they need just mini hand guns, easy to carry and protect themselves with? I mean, we just want to go with what's practical. Can't imagine ppl going clubbing and pubbing swinging a rifle around their shoulders all the way. How uncomfortable.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 8:53:15 PM

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I was leaving the country on a flight to the Middle East. How is throwing me in jail and not letting me take the bullet out of the country providing for the safety of anyone not living in Dubai where I was headed?

Because the fact that you got a bullet means that you brought a bullet illegally into the country. No bullet allowed inside Singapore premises. Even if you were just making a transfer at the airport.
It's just like if you were caught leaving the country with heroin, it's death penalty too. Doesn't matter if you are leaving or coming in.

Yes, I'm very aware that is the law. Probably more aware than you. Which has nothing to do with anything I've said. Just as buggery laws are obscene, so are yours...in my opinion.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 8:53:22 PM

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Every type is used.

I think if a real study is done. You'd see that there is a high majority that uses this type of gun. That's the one they keep.

What type is that?

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 8:54:46 PM

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In DC when they banned guns the murder rate doubled because of the increase in the knife and club attacks.

Do they need to bring semi-automatic rifles whenever they go clubbing? Or do they need just mini hand guns, easy to carry and protect themselves with? I mean, we just want to go with what's practical. Can't imagine ppl going clubbing and pubbing swinging a rifle around their shoulders all the way. How uncomfortable.

It doesn't matter. It is a right.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 8:56:53 PM

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In DC when they banned guns the murder rate doubled because of the increase in the knife and club attacks.

Do they need to bring semi-automatic rifles whenever they go clubbing? Or do they need just mini hand guns, easy to carry and protect themselves with? I mean, we just want to go with what's practical. Can't imagine ppl going clubbing and pubbing swinging a rifle around their shoulders all the way. How uncomfortable.

Club attacks = attacks with clubs, you know like baseball bats.
Did you missed the part about guns were banned?

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 8:57:20 PM

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And if the first shot wounds but the deer is able to run you should let it
crawl off and suffer a lingering death, now that is what I call unsportsmanlike.

If a deer is wounded, would it still be able to run so fast that you can't catch up with the deer to make the second shot? With a normal gun that doesn't load as fast?
I would think it would immediately go down. And as you said, "crawl off". Which is in slow motion.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 8:57:55 PM

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It also doesn't say there is a limit on the arms that are allowed.
In the US if the Constitution doesn't specifically prohibit something, then it is considered to be legal.

The clear part of the law is that, you MUST be allowed to have guns. That's the only part with no ambiguity. Any other parts with ambiguity, the current law makers can interpret it however they want.

Often local governments try to pass restrictive gun laws. So far, every one of those restrictions that has been challenged in the Supreme Court has been overturned. It's pretty well fixed in law at this point.
Personally I have no valid need or use for a fully-automatic weapon, or for one modified by a bump-stock or trigger crank for high fire rate, but that should be my choice and not anyone else's.
Frankly, the bump-stock is a lot like machine pistols, hard to control and mostly only good for spraying a crowd. Most gun owners here would never want one normally. Though I suspect that they will have an immediate surge in sales among gang types and more law abiding gun owners who might think it would be cool to shoot up a bunch of soda bottles out on a target range.
The press has given bump-stocks the equivalent of millions of dollars worth of advertising in the last few days, so they are bound to sell like hotcakes to people who never would have considered such a thing before.
The press never learns that by screaming against guns they become the best gun salesmen ever.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 9:00:32 PM

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And if the first shot wounds but the deer is able to run you should let it
crawl off and suffer a lingering death, now that is what I call unsportsmanlike.

If a deer is wounded, would it still be able to run so fast that you can't catch up with the deer to make the second shot? With a normal gun that doesn't load as fast?
I would think it would immediately go down. And as you said, "crawl off". Which is in slow motion.

Crawl off, when they adrenalin runs out and they try to hide.
You really don't know the first thing about hunting.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 9:00:51 PM

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Club attacks = attacks with clubs, you know like baseball bats.
Did you missed the part about guns were banned?

Knives and baseball bat technically should be banned from clubs too. Why are they allowed in? Why are any weapons allowed in, in the first place? Every club should have mandatory bag checks, body checks and metal detectors. Negligence of the club to secure the safety of their customers.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 9:01:58 PM

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Club attacks = attacks with clubs, you know like baseball bats.
Did you missed the part about guns were banned?

Knives and baseball bat technically should be banned from clubs too. Why are they allowed in? Why are any weapons allowed in, in the first place?

I never said the attacks were in clubs, they were with clubs.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/4/2017 9:02:25 PM

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And if the first shot wounds but the deer is able to run you should let it
crawl off and suffer a lingering death, now that is what I call unsportsmanlike.

If a deer is wounded, would it still be able to run so fast that you can't catch up with the deer to make the second shot? With a normal gun that doesn't load as fast?
I would think it would immediately go down. And as you said, "crawl off". Which is in slow motion.

It all depends on the nature of the wound. Some can run for miles and never be found by the hunter. Deer don't crawl unless they are exhausted or near death. It's their natural instinct to run from danger, and they can outrun any man, especially some guy in his 50s and not in great shape.

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