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WhoreMods -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 10:22:21 AM)
Lucky escape there. Have you heard from your couple of friends since this shitstorm broke?

MrRodgers -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 10:22:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech I wonder how many dead and injured were from gunshots and how many from a panicked crowd trying to flee through limited exits? In a crisis situation; often more are injured from panic than from the immanent threat. Assuming all the deaths were from gunshot and no multiple kills per shot due to ricochet; that is one reload with 30 round magazines and 6 reloads with California magazines (10 round max). Based on scores at a tactical range, yep way back in the day, that rate of fire would be consistent with three minutes of supressive fire for a practiced marksman or 5 minutes for a duffer. And some of my friends wonder why large crowds make me paranoid a bit. Knowledge of how easy it is to devastate a crowd is a thing I wish I could unlearn. BTW, you don't need a southern accent to sing country. You just learn to sing through the nose. And, yes, Nashville style country is a southern white thing. And Delta Blues is a southern black thing. And New Orleans Jazz don't give a fig for color as long as you like it spiced. Is this an issue? Not an issue at all and music that an American can take pride in as being distinctly American. Yes, even though American country music sounds to many, like about 3 songs total, written a million different ways.

MrRodgers -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 10:29:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Lucky escape there. Have you heard from your couple of friends since this shitstorm broke? Nothing more than that they are ok and never really got close. They both just recently moved within about a mile of the so-called strip and maybe they were fortuitously distracted by other sites to see. There is a small and lacking yet interesting casino graveyard on the northern most area of the strip (Las Vegas Blvd.) where the most revealing aspect is most of the old big signs that were somewhat national but mostly regional icons, like the Sands, the Sahara, the Desert Inn etc. That may have held their attention with them both being NYorkers and like me...no spring chicken.

WhoreMods -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 10:32:13 AM)
Glad to hear it. Whatever the reason, they've got out (or didn't go in) okay, and a lot of people didn't manage that.

MercTech -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 10:38:45 AM)
petit rant: The Google search algorithm is broken. If you try to find out more on breaking news; you get a page and a half of far removed ideologue rants from New York, Los Angeles, USA Today, CNN, and the rest who are so far removed from the story as to be on another continent. Meanwhile, the local reporting, closest to what is going on, gets buried on page three. end of rant Local Las Vegas news can be found at: Interesting, the cellphone footage from the crowd shows the fire was from a full auto weapon. You can hear it clear as day. Where did Paddock get a machine gun? You can't get that at your local gun show. http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/video/16989293/ Interview with local police spokesman. http://www.wral.com/news/video/16988141/ The police cannot find Paddock's car. The girlfriend has been found and was out of the country when the shooting occurred. Now, where did that car go? Is there a second person involved? I can't help but think of the aftermath of another case of a shooter opening up on a concert crowd. Months later it was found that the crowd shooting was simply a distraction for a gang sponsored hit on a person in the crowd. Everyone, even bodyguards, focused on the mass shooter while six people killed the person they were targeting. Nasty business by nasty people. This incident looks to be a nut job but you can't ignore possible other reasons.

Musicmystery -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 10:39:41 AM)
Why wouldn't you just go to the appropriate source in the first place? Why let Google decide what you want?

WhoreMods -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 10:46:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech petit rant: The Google search algorithm is broken. If you try to find out more on breaking news; you get a page and a half of far removed ideologue rants from New York, Los Angeles, USA Today, CNN, and the rest who are so far removed from the story as to be on another continent. Meanwhile, the local reporting, closest to what is going on, gets buried on page three. end of rant Local Las Vegas news can be found at: Interesting, the cellphone footage from the crowd shows the fire was from a full auto weapon. You can hear it clear as day. Where did Paddock get a machine gun? You can't get that at your local gun show. http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/video/16989293/ Interview with local police spokesman. http://www.wral.com/news/video/16988141/ The police cannot find Paddock's car. The girlfriend has been found and was out of the country when the shooting occurred. Now, where did that car go? Is there a second person involved? I can't help but think of the aftermath of another case of a shooter opening up on a concert crowd. Months later it was found that the crowd shooting was simply a distraction for a gang sponsored hit on a person in the crowd. Everyone, even bodyguards, focused on the mass shooter while six people killed the person they were targeting. Nasty business by nasty people. This incident looks to be a nut job but you can't ignore possible other reasons. Why are they talking about him having ten "not really an assault rifle"s to hand if he was using a machine gun? Maybe he just had ten NRARs to hand so he'd have spares in case he broke a few before he managed to convert one to full automatic? If he'd been using a machine gun, surely he'd have killed a lot more in a crowd that size?

MercTech -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 10:53:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Automatic assault weapons are legal in Nevada. That is apparently what he used. You don't have to be a sharpshooter if you're using one of those. No, automatic weapons are not legal specifically in Nevada. Automatic weapons are legal everywhere in the United States as long as you get the appropriate permits. It is lawful to purchase automatic weapons if you get a permit from the Federal Government and pay a huge tax stamp for the purchase. Some states have more restrictions on transfer of fully automatic weapons. The fact that obtaining a fully automatic weapon is horrendously expensive, requires a specific license for a specific weapon that takes a long time to obtain, and requires local law enforcement (in many states) be informed of where the weapon is stored means that many who obtain a machine gun (like drug gangs) are obtaining illegal weapons. What you have to go through to buy a machine gun: https://www.thegunwriter.com/14837/how-to-buy-a-machine-gun/ Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms website where you can look up the applicable regulations yourself. https://www.atf.gov/firearms

MercTech -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 11:02:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Why are they talking about him having ten "not really an assault rifle"s to hand if he was using a machine gun? Maybe he just had ten NRARs to hand so he'd have spares in case he broke a few before he managed to convert one to full automatic? If he'd been using a machine gun, surely he'd have killed a lot more in a crowd that size? Ahem, the definition of "assault rifle" (real thing) includes selective fire meaning it IS a machine gun. "Assault weapon", as in the list of cosmetic variations required to get a weapon banned in California, is not a real thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle quote: An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine. Listen to the cell footage. It sure sounds like he was using an actual assault rifle and that begs the question of where the eff he got his hands on it. Was it licensed and permitted (required by Federal law for full auto weapons)? Was it a home brew modification? Or, was it an unlawfully acquired weapon which begs again, where the eff did he get it? Were any Class III license holders robbed lately?

WhoreMods -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 11:05:54 AM)
Got you. My bad: I thought you defined a machine gun as something that only fired on full automatic, and from a belt or hopper rather than a rifle magazine. (And I like the notion that he'd modified something himself: you don't need ten rifles for a single shooting unless you're worried that you'll break a few of them, right?)

heavyblinker -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 11:07:12 AM)
I was under the impression that Nevada was refusing to enforce any of those federal regulations. You can thank the Attorney General for that. These people seem to think his pro-gun stance means he deserves to be governor: http://www.draftadamlaxalt.com/ quote: When the Nevada Department of Public Safety queried the FBI, the FBI replied, correctly, that the Nevada Initiative could not force the FBI to set up a program to conduct Nevada private transaction instant checks, absent federal legislation authorizing and funding such an effort. That’s when Nevada Attorney General Adam Laxalt (R) issued an opinion that if the FBI won’t conduct the Instant Checks requisite to any private gun sale in Nevada, then one can’t require those Instant Checks for those private sales. Adam Laxalt effectively nullified “Question 1” -- and that means New York Leftist Michael Bloomberg wasted $20 million trying to pass gun control in Nevada. Believe me, if this law had been passed in states like New York, Massachusetts, New Hampshire or Virginia, their respective Attorneys General would not have acted to protect the Constitutional rights of their citizens like Attorney General Laxalt did for the people of Nevada! A true hero and champion of freedom: http://www.guns.com/2017/01/03/nevadas-20m-background-check-law-frozen-by-attorney-general/ And I guess now we all know how great it is to be free.

Musicmystery -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 11:10:39 AM)
Gun, good. Liberals, lousy. Me, run for office. It even fits on a lawn sign.

MercTech -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 11:16:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Why wouldn't you just go to the appropriate source in the first place? Why let Google decide what you want? Sorry I haven't got the URL for every local paper and television station in the country memorized. <humor snark> I use google to find local sources. I suppose yahoo or bing would do it but I detest the slam in the face advertising on those.

WhoreMods -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 11:17:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Gun, good. Liberals, lousy. Me, run for office. It even fits on a lawn sign. I'd buy a few of his lawn signs while they're still on sale: they might have vanished from his website tomorrow... [;)]

MercTech -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 11:34:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Got you. My bad: I thought you defined a machine gun as something that only fired on full automatic, and from a belt or hopper rather than a rifle magazine. (And I like the notion that he'd modified something himself: you don't need ten rifles for a single shooting unless you're worried that you'll break a few of them, right?) An assault rifle is one type of machine gun. Intermediate cartridge, selective fire, magazine fed, etc. There is also an SMG (Sub Machine Gun) which is a machine gun firing pistol ammunition like the (popular with gang bangers) 9mm Uzi. I noted that German police carried SMGs when I was last over there. A bit different than the pistols U.S. police use. A SMG can be fired one handed but really isn't controllable for aim that way. A belt fed machine gun is, in armorer parlance, an LMG (light machine gun), or "squad automatic weapon" where you have at least two to operate with one firing and the other feeding the ammunition. And, it takes two to carry, one for the weapon, one for the ammo. A heavy machine gun runs from the famous 50 caliber Browning of WWII, the Gatling guns (multiple rotating barrels) of "Puff" in Vietnam, up to the modern multi barrel refrigeration cooled machine guns firing over ten thousand rounds per minute. (used for missile defense mostly - Phalanx) BTW, "selective fire" means you have a switch for single fire or full auto. Some (M16, M4) also have a "burst" setting that fires 3 rounds for each trigger pull. CV on such drek: Qualified "Rangemaster" in the military and taught small arms proficiency courses on a variety of weapons. Also, have an old buddy who is a salesman for a Class III firearms dealer who sells to police forces. I'm in a very very mixed state of mind about police having fully automatic weapons. But, my buddy mostly sells them large magazine shotguns with tritium quick sights and blindingly bright flashlights mounted on rail systems.

LadyDemura -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 11:40:04 AM)
Why again are people allowed to own guns like this? Or any guns at all? This shooter was not in the military, if only the well regulated militia clause was enforced, this horrible shooting would not have occurred.

MercTech -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 11:47:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker I was under the impression that Nevada was refusing to enforce any of those federal regulations. You can thank the Attorney General for that. These people seem to think his pro-gun stance means he deserves to be governor: http://www.draftadamlaxalt.com/ quote: When the Nevada Department of Public Safety queried the FBI, the FBI replied, correctly, that the Nevada Initiative could not force the FBI to set up a program to conduct Nevada private transaction instant checks, absent federal legislation authorizing and funding such an effort. That’s when Nevada Attorney General Adam Laxalt (R) issued an opinion that if the FBI won’t conduct the Instant Checks requisite to any private gun sale in Nevada, then one can’t require those Instant Checks for those private sales. Adam Laxalt effectively nullified “Question 1” -- and that means New York Leftist Michael Bloomberg wasted $20 million trying to pass gun control in Nevada. Believe me, if this law had been passed in states like New York, Massachusetts, New Hampshire or Virginia, their respective Attorneys General would not have acted to protect the Constitutional rights of their citizens like Attorney General Laxalt did for the people of Nevada! A true hero and champion of freedom: http://www.guns.com/2017/01/03/nevadas-20m-background-check-law-frozen-by-attorney-general/ And I guess now we all know how great it is to be free. Nevada fully enforces the federal laws. A Nevada state law passed recently requiring more extensive checks than the federal check being enforced was questionable and the State Attorney General declined to enforce it until tested in court. The provision of the Nevada local law that private sales require a background check runs up against the fact that licensed gun dealers pay a fee for the background checks. Who picks up the bill for doing the background checks? The FBI doesn't have a retail division to take your credit card to pay for a NICS check for a private sale. And, requiring private sales to go to a licensed dealer to complete the sale is questionably a violation of Federal law. So the Nevada Attorney General's office is erring on the side of more freedom until the newly passed law gets some legal interpretation.

GabrielLogos -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 11:52:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Listen to the cell footage. It sure sounds like he was using an actual assault rifle and that begs the question of where the eff he got his hands on it. Was it licensed and permitted (required by Federal law for full auto weapons)? Was it a home brew modification? Or, was it an unlawfully acquired weapon which begs again, where the eff did he get it? Were any Class III license holders robbed lately? From listening to the many cell videos recorded, the fire rate sure sounds like an AK-47. It has a slower fire rate than most other fully-automatic weapons. The world market is absolutely flooded with those that are fully automatic and obtainable in most countries pretty cheap. In the US many gun owners have semi-automatic versions that are quite legal. It's possible to purchase fully-automatic versions if you get the Federal permit. It's also possible to purchase parts for a semi-automatic AK-47 to convert it back to fully-automatic. Most gun shops will not do the mod for you, but if you are the slightest bit mechanically handy it's a pretty simple parts swap. I'd guess that at least 70% of US gun owners could do the mod at home in less than an hour. The mod is illegal if you don't have the permits for fully-automatic, but I that's not much of an issue for those planning mass murder. The news reported that the shooter was using 30 round magazines, and that the fire lasted 4-1/2 minutes total. They also reported that the shooter had multiple weapons. Not familiar with the AK-47? Look at photos of Charlottesville, they were the rifles being carried by many Antifa.

tj444 -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 11:54:13 AM)
~~ FR ~~ I believe 82 died from Harvey.. and that was over several days.. this guy killed 59 (or more once the dust settles), probably in a matter of minutes.. interesting that he was 64... I wonder if they will ever find out why..

bounty44 -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 11:58:40 AM)
Michael, theres been research done on listening preferences and political persuasion. on the whole, country music is not a liberal predilection while it more or less is for the right. I cannot speak to skin color differentiations however. but yes, I know, greta's kinda conflating the two. I think it matters in the same way someone doing a shooting at a gay club would, or a Christian church, or any other site where somewhat homogenous populations exist. ultimately it could speak to motives and lead to better understanding. i'll be surprised if the reasoning behind the shooting remains undiscovered.

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